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Grand Unified Election Thread 2: What is the difference between Biden and Dump?
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Handyman
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In fact, and Red State that wants to leave feel free.
edit: I do find it funny the clown said "succeed" instead of "secede". The second one they tried and failed so like everything else that state does they did not "succeed" :^)
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Kepler
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In fact, and Red State that wants to leave feel free.
edit: I do find it funny the clown said "succeed" instead of "secede". The second one they tried and failed so like everything else that state does they did not "succeed" :^)
We don't even have to burn Atlanta this time.
RaceBoarder
Waiting for the Snow to fly...
At this point the LP or someone kinda up the food chain (not necessarily Biden or Harris) needs to just come out and call their bluff. Just basically publicize the "Don't like it, MOVE!" memes that went around 4 years ago and publicly state why.
Handyman
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It cant be anyone aligned with the campaign in an official capacity. Not worth the negative blowback. LP/Vets For Trump though should be on it.
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In fact, and Red State that wants to leave feel free.
edit: I do find it funny the clown said "succeed" instead of "secede". The second one they tried and failed so like everything else that state does they did not "succeed" :^)
Might have been my favorite spelling error witnessed ever
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The pressure continues. pA leg leader now says the legislature stays out of appointing electors in “normal circumstances”
someone does need to stop this before it gets real ugly
https://mobile.twitter.com/awprokop/status/1326536253836201984
someone does need to stop this before it gets real ugly
https://mobile.twitter.com/awprokop/status/1326536253836201984
Handyman
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So I read through the complaints the guy posted on Twitter...good god they read like grievances a Middle Schooler would make when their parents asked why the teacher gave them detention. They are almost as bad as the lawyer who a judge yesterday got to admit they weren't alleging fraud at this time.
Maybe Jones Day is tanking this...there are rumors the associates arent happy they are linked to Trump these days and I gotta think United Airlines, Sprint, Verizon, Wells Fargo arent happy they are associated with a firm that is basically defrauding the court. Well maybe not Wells Fargo ;^)
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Georgia announced a hand recount of ballots.
aren’t they outside the margin of an automatic?
aren’t they outside the margin of an automatic?
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And dump officially filed suit to stop Michigan from certifying their vote.
beyond pathetic
beyond pathetic
Handyman
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No. The recount was all but assured. In fact it was announced almost as soon as Biden took the lead because it was going to be within the margin. They are doing this to hopefully stall certification which is on the 20th. The state is actually being proactive doing it now because otherwise they have to wait until the 20th after the election is certified and it will be by machines meaning people will still complain. It is also an attempt to get Perdue back over 50% to avoid the runoff...in fact my guess is it is the only reason because no one will but a 14k vote swing in a hand recount.
The thread on the PA leg is kind of looney and the guy is taking a few leaps in logic. Plus again if they choose to send Electors that go against the popular vote that will mean the Dems will do so as well which will then lead to a myriad of challenges and no one wins. That leads to President Pelosi. (and likely a dissolving of the US as it would be open insurrection) This has been tried before (or threatened is the better way to put it) and it didn't go well for the challengers although they did get their desired result in the end of Reconstruction...which was gonna happen anyways.
Again even if we assume the Pennsylvania Leg actually considers it...they arent going to overturn the vote in Philly and Pittsburgh just because the GOP asks them to. (not to mention less diverse areas that also went Blue) The state itself would never survive it. In fact it would likely split in 3 as Philly and Pittsburgh would want out. That is one way to assure the fracking sticks around but the Red areas would die out like Mississippi if they tried it. Same would happen in WI and MI.
This is all scare tactics...they are baiting us. They want us to fight like hell and get riled up. They want people in the streets protesting. They want violence because they want to let loose the dogs of war.
Biden and his team will deal with all of this we just need to keep shining a light on the stupidity.
WeAreNDHockey
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When one of trump's lawsuits succeeds, I'll get worried. I think at the very least we all expected at least this out of his campaign. I for one am happy that we did not see election day violence or even shenanigans beyond what the republicans have done in every election for 20+ years.
If more than one court goes the other way though, or if a legislature actually attempts to change their electoral college statutes, then we need to get ready for a war. There are really no in-betweens either, unfortunately. We are told we don't need revolution and violence in this country because we have laws and a judicial branch to protect us from an overzealous administrator, and checks and balances and all that. But if those institutions fail us, what else is there? If one or more of any two branches changes the rules to help a third when things don't go right for it, we have nothing.
Put another way, if the State of Wisconsin tries to change the outcome of a fair and free election because they don't like the results then they took away my right to vote. Don't go there. I won't tolerate it and it will be clear why. Someone will pay a heavy price for that and at the end of the day I don't think anyone wants to pay that kind of a price to help trump steal an election.
If more than one court goes the other way though, or if a legislature actually attempts to change their electoral college statutes, then we need to get ready for a war. There are really no in-betweens either, unfortunately. We are told we don't need revolution and violence in this country because we have laws and a judicial branch to protect us from an overzealous administrator, and checks and balances and all that. But if those institutions fail us, what else is there? If one or more of any two branches changes the rules to help a third when things don't go right for it, we have nothing.
Put another way, if the State of Wisconsin tries to change the outcome of a fair and free election because they don't like the results then they took away my right to vote. Don't go there. I won't tolerate it and it will be clear why. Someone will pay a heavy price for that and at the end of the day I don't think anyone wants to pay that kind of a price to help trump steal an election.
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I’m still nervous some rogue judges could start entertaining. We know many of the Rs in all levels of gov are nuts enough to do a coup
This. Times eleventy million. This is going to be a nightmare.
Handyman
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If they couldnt get the Texas Supreme Court, one of the most conservative Federal Judges and arguably the most conservative Appellate Court to buy their BS Equal Protection crap (and they had actual factual issues to argue) they arent going to do it in Pennsylvania where the Penn GOP controls the Leg and voted for the rules in place.
Not to mention it is hard to win a case when you dont even present evidence or admit under examination from the judge at a hearing to decide if there was fraud or GOPers werent allowed to watch the count that you are NOT ALLEDGING FRAUD and that YOU WERE ALLOWED TO WATCH. Hearsay isnt enough and most of the crap we are talking about barely qualifies as that.
But again, if they overrule the vote of the people AND if the judiciary allows it the matter is moot anyways because the Constitution failed, the country dissolves and that is the end of the line. There is no slippery slope anymore we are standing at the edge of the cliff. If the Nazis want to blow the whole thing up for their God King then so be it. I think we know who in our area will be on the better end of all this and it isnt the Red States in the upper Midwest. If the Red portions of Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan want out great...the Blue Cities will thrive and mock them from afar. NoDak and SoDak will be so under water due to COVID and crappy oil prices (not to mention a massive drop in tourism) they will be Mississippi anyways. If they think the Twin Cities, Madison, Milwaukee and Chicago have undue influence now imagine what happens in a non-United States of America. :^)
Not to mention it is hard to win a case when you dont even present evidence or admit under examination from the judge at a hearing to decide if there was fraud or GOPers werent allowed to watch the count that you are NOT ALLEDGING FRAUD and that YOU WERE ALLOWED TO WATCH. Hearsay isnt enough and most of the crap we are talking about barely qualifies as that.
But again, if they overrule the vote of the people AND if the judiciary allows it the matter is moot anyways because the Constitution failed, the country dissolves and that is the end of the line. There is no slippery slope anymore we are standing at the edge of the cliff. If the Nazis want to blow the whole thing up for their God King then so be it. I think we know who in our area will be on the better end of all this and it isnt the Red States in the upper Midwest. If the Red portions of Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan want out great...the Blue Cities will thrive and mock them from afar. NoDak and SoDak will be so under water due to COVID and crappy oil prices (not to mention a massive drop in tourism) they will be Mississippi anyways. If they think the Twin Cities, Madison, Milwaukee and Chicago have undue influence now imagine what happens in a non-United States of America. :^)
Handyman
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For those of you worried...read the various threads T. Greg Doucette has on Twitter where he explains a lot of the reasons why none of this is going anywhere. He also breaks down how even if they get what they want they still lose.
One example: lets say they convince states not to certify. That leads to 1 of 2 outcomes...either there is the dual slates of electors or no electors at all. Dual slate leads to challenges and all other business in Congress stops until they are elected. No budgets, no stimulus...nothing. They then have until 1/20 to figure it all out or SOTH becomes Interim President until they select someone. As soon as that becomes a possible reality there is an almost zero percent chance the GOP doesn't back off because the Dems will have all the leverage since they have the lead and she is next in line. (the longer it goes the longer she is in charge signing EOs while Congress does nothing) So lets say they go with the "no electors at all" method. That just lowers the threshold for how many EVs you need to win. So lets say they throw out PA. That lowers the total EVS to 518 which means it is 260 to win. Biden wins. Lets say they get rid of GA, PA, MI and WI. (which would be a lot of convincing of legislators to screw everything up) That lowers the EVs to 476. Now it is 239 to win. Biden still has 244...Biden wins.
The amount of work it would take to make this stuff possible is highly highly highly improbable. You would need multiple state legislatures (Penn, WI and MI for sure) to overrule the votes of their citizens without any substantial evidence of voter fraud. You would need no non-Biden states to do the same thing. You would need GA to flip in the hand recount (with no reflipping in the machine recount) which in and of itself is statistically improbable without massive fraud. You would then need the Supreme Court to rule that State Legislatures have a right to disavow the votes in a free and fair election (ones they controlled the rules to and still Biden won) with no evidence of tampering. And even with all of that Governors Evers, Whitman and Wolf will still just appoint their own Electors (which the SC will say they cant do but The House will still recognize) which will lead to a Constitutional Crisis. All of that to still have a Dem in office on Jan 20.
I know this crap is scary and believe me I am not saying it is impossible but they cant even sustain a hearing on the stuff they have right now. No judge is going to stick their neck out for the low amounts of fraud they are alleging in court. Even in PA with the segregated ballots...they arent in the count anyways so if they disappear Biden wins by the same count. There is no there there and that is why judges are laughing this crap out of court and the GOP is getting desperate.
One example: lets say they convince states not to certify. That leads to 1 of 2 outcomes...either there is the dual slates of electors or no electors at all. Dual slate leads to challenges and all other business in Congress stops until they are elected. No budgets, no stimulus...nothing. They then have until 1/20 to figure it all out or SOTH becomes Interim President until they select someone. As soon as that becomes a possible reality there is an almost zero percent chance the GOP doesn't back off because the Dems will have all the leverage since they have the lead and she is next in line. (the longer it goes the longer she is in charge signing EOs while Congress does nothing) So lets say they go with the "no electors at all" method. That just lowers the threshold for how many EVs you need to win. So lets say they throw out PA. That lowers the total EVS to 518 which means it is 260 to win. Biden wins. Lets say they get rid of GA, PA, MI and WI. (which would be a lot of convincing of legislators to screw everything up) That lowers the EVs to 476. Now it is 239 to win. Biden still has 244...Biden wins.
The amount of work it would take to make this stuff possible is highly highly highly improbable. You would need multiple state legislatures (Penn, WI and MI for sure) to overrule the votes of their citizens without any substantial evidence of voter fraud. You would need no non-Biden states to do the same thing. You would need GA to flip in the hand recount (with no reflipping in the machine recount) which in and of itself is statistically improbable without massive fraud. You would then need the Supreme Court to rule that State Legislatures have a right to disavow the votes in a free and fair election (ones they controlled the rules to and still Biden won) with no evidence of tampering. And even with all of that Governors Evers, Whitman and Wolf will still just appoint their own Electors (which the SC will say they cant do but The House will still recognize) which will lead to a Constitutional Crisis. All of that to still have a Dem in office on Jan 20.
I know this crap is scary and believe me I am not saying it is impossible but they cant even sustain a hearing on the stuff they have right now. No judge is going to stick their neck out for the low amounts of fraud they are alleging in court. Even in PA with the segregated ballots...they arent in the count anyways so if they disappear Biden wins by the same count. There is no there there and that is why judges are laughing this crap out of court and the GOP is getting desperate.
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NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
PA lead crosses 50K and nationwide lead crosses 5M.
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