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Grand Unified Election Thread 2: What is the difference between Biden and Dump?

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Handyman said:
Right. But for some reason lazy journalists cant seem to figure out that a moderate Dem in a purple or red district is not going to be able to run on "Defund the Police" and "Stack the Court". Its why I said it was stupid to allow that to be the rhetoric. They should have shut it down whenever asked. (like Biden did) If someone in Seattle or Portland wants that as their platform fine...but AOC had it right when she said its about winning and then lobbying later.

The media though never says that, they know that Dems and their voters are volatile and will fall for clickbait so they push the stupid narrative and end up birthing it into reality. The caucus should be heated, the Dems lost ground. The various wings are trying to figure out an agenda that wont alienate half their voters. That is how things work. Why does the media act like everyone is just going to agree on everything? Reps from the same state in a Party often cant agree. They represent different areas and different constituencies. That is called governing.

I am just sick of seeing this crap. The so called "Liberal Media" does this every time. If they had gotten the Blue Wave they would have found a way to talk about how the "Newbies" are going to be fighting with the "Vets" and how it is tearing the party apart. Meanwhile they never talked about how the Trumpers basically forced the last of the McCain style GOPers out of the Party (until the Lincoln Project made it a massive issue) and they ignored it when the Tea Party and the Fredumbers did the same thing. If they are so "Liberally Biased" why the heck do they paint Libs as weak and GOPers as strong?
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Well stated. I wish I knew the answer.
 
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Handyman said:
Right. But for some reason lazy journalists cant seem to figure out that a moderate Dem in a purple or red district is not going to be able to run on "Defund the Police" and "Stack the Court". Its why I said it was stupid to allow that to be the rhetoric. They should have shut it down whenever asked. (like Biden did) If someone in Seattle or Portland wants that as their platform fine...but AOC had it right when she said its about winning and then lobbying later.

The media though never says that, they know that Dems and their voters are volatile and will fall for clickbait so they push the stupid narrative and end up birthing it into reality. The caucus should be heated, the Dems lost ground. The various wings are trying to figure out an agenda that wont alienate half their voters. That is how things work. Why does the media act like everyone is just going to agree on everything? Reps from the same state in a Party often cant agree. They represent different areas and different constituencies. That is called governing.

I am just sick of seeing this crap. The so called "Liberal Media" does this every time. If they had gotten the Blue Wave they would have found a way to talk about how the "Newbies" are going to be fighting with the "Vets" and how it is tearing the party apart. Meanwhile they never talked about how the Trumpers basically forced the last of the McCain style GOPers out of the Party (until the Lincoln Project made it a massive issue) and they ignored it when the Tea Party and the Fredumbers did the same thing. If they are so "Liberally Biased" why the heck do they paint Libs as weak and GOPers as strong?
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The only thing I'd argue with you here is that Republicans fall for clickbait garbage every bit as much. :)
 
Handyman said:
Ronna McDaniel is all in on the Dems stealing the election. The friggin Chair of the Party.

The GOP is pushing for a Civil War. Funny how it is all playing out just like us "pearl clutchers" said it would.
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It's quite startling to be honest. They used to be so disciplined about hiding their true nature. Now, it's all out in the open. And it still works and gins up a lot of votes.
 
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Handyman said:
Ronna McDaniel is all in on the Dems stealing the election. The friggin Chair of the Party.

The GOP is pushing for a Civil War. Funny how it is all playing out just like us "pearl clutchers" said it would.

edit: And she is pressuring our local GOP to join. https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1324796136926883842
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The guys who drove from VA to attack a Philly vote counting station had a homemade AR with 150 rounds and two handguns.

A friend of mine does vote counting for Fairfax County, VA. In a slightly alternative universe he could have been murdered by terrorists radicalized by the official Republican party. Not crazies, not even a crazy outlier Member, but the formal, official party.
 
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I think there are a lot of us in full-on introspection mode lately.

Not that I was ever a member of the Republican party, but I certainly saw eye to eye with them on many things. However, now that the pretty clothes have been totally removed, I'm horrified. I don't feel that my views have changed all that much, but I look at the GOP like some alien race of monsters right now. I had hoped for a massive bloodletting, and that sanity might have a chance to take hold again, and by 2024-2028 we could have a Republican party that, while perhaps further to the right than I am, I could look to and be ok with. But that didn't happen. No lessons are being learned.
 
Swansong said:
Um, never?

There are a ton of people that crossed the aisle to vote Trump out, and most of those people are horrified at the "defund the police" stuff. My vote for Biden was a vote against the ****bag in chief, not to embrace AOC. And unfortunately, there are a lot of people too turned off by the far left to go as far as I did.

National parties and the media have nationalized races for ever. Moderates lose races all the time because a loon in another state was transposed onto them.
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This is the key observation. The GOP is actually able to hold its sh-t together paradoxically because it has shrunk to where it is practically a monolith. It has two factions left: Nazis, and people for whom Nazism is not a deal breaker.

That leaves the entire rest of a very diverse nation to the Democrats, and so obviously at any given time some Democrats will say things that other Democrats disagree with. The assumption that one group has to shut up in order not to anger another group is dead wrong because it presumes that one group is privileged. This is easy to see if you reverse the groups and say Centrists should shut up because they anger the Liberals.

The tacit assumption that Centrists own the Democratic party and Liberals are just noisy, immature junior partners is as wrong (and as useful to the Plutes who are our common enemy) as the tacit assumption by the Right that Republicans own the US and Democrats are just noisy, immature junior partners. It comes from the same drive to minimize reform and protect the wealth and power of TPTB.

As Democrats we have to recognize that our diversity of opinion is our strength. That means AOC and Joe Manchin have to support one another for wearing the same jersey. They have nothing to say to each other about how to run or govern in their particular corner of the Democratic (i.e., American) world.

There is only one goal: kill Nazis.
There is only one mechanism: beat Republicans.
 
Ted Cruz is also doubling down on Trump’s re-election chances, for some unfathomable reason... he’s still employed in the Senate, isn’t he? Trying to inherit the Proud Boy endorsement maybe?
 
I've seen nothing out of 98% of the republicans in this country that tells me they DON'T want a civil war. The loudest voices in the party (and their media enablers) are basically telling people that American democracy is dead. Again, all projection. Only one party has spent a generation or more making voting a difficult thing for many segments of our society. It's laughable to think people believe this, but how many of trump's 69 million voters are now believing the election has been rife with fraud and cheating, all of it benefitting Biden? I'd bet it's more than half today and by the time this thing is officially called add another few million. Two or three days from now my guess is 50 million people will absolutely believe this election was stolen by Biden and the democrats. That is unacceptable. republicans pushing this narrative are literally leading us down a path to God only knows where. But these people are every bit the traitors that the leaders who caused the 1st Civil War were. Avoid the Christmas rush and arrest 'em all now.
 
geezer said:
Ted Cruz is also doubling down on Trump’s re-election chances, for some unfathomable reason... he’s still employed in the Senate, isn’t he? Trying to inherit the Proud Boy endorsement maybe?
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Yes. Remember, Pappy Cruz is a nut evangy preacher/con artist with all sorts of paranoid gunk in his head. Teddy either believes garbage like that or more likely knows it sells.

There are a lot of guys out there on the Right who look at Dump and are thinking...
 
Kepler said:
This is the key observation. The GOP is actually able to hold its sh-t together paradoxically because it has shrunk to where it is practically a monolith. It has two factions left: Nazis, and people for whom Nazism is not a deal breaker.

That leaves the entire rest of a very diverse nation to the Democrats, and so obviously at any given time some Democrats will say things that other Democrats disagree with. The assumption that one group has to shut up in order not to anger another group is dead wrong because it presumes that one group is privileged. This is easy to see if you reverse the groups and say Centrists should shut up because they anger the Liberals.

The tacit assumption that Centrists own the Democratic party and Liberals are just noisy, immature junior partners is as wrong (and as useful to the Plutes who are our common enemy) as the tacit assumption by the Right that Republicans own the US and Democrats are just noisy, immature junior partners. It comes from the same drive to minimize reform and protect the wealth and power of TPTB.

As Democrats we have to recognize that our diversity of opinion is our strength. That means AOC and Joe Manchin have to support one another for wearing the same jersey. They have nothing to say to each other about how to run or govern in their particular corner of the Democratic (i.e., American) world.

There is only one goal: kill Nazis.
There is only one mechanism: beat Republicans.
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This is exactly why I've come around on ranked choice voting and its implications for potential third parties. We need them now, more than ever. Let the GOP turn into the far right party. Let the DNC turn into the far left party. I'm happy to meet with other moderates and make a "keep your wingnuts" party.


That will happen the day after I win the lottery.
 
Kepler said:
As Democrats we have to recognize that our diversity of opinion is our strength. That means AOC and Joe Manchin have to support one another for wearing the same jersey. They have nothing to say to each other about how to run or govern in their particular corner of the Democratic (i.e., American) world.
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Bingo. What makes us great is we dont have the same vision on everything. It is through that jostling that we get to where we need to go. That USED to be what was great about having a Conservative and Liberal party. The adversarial nature lead to change whether slow or fast. That is gone...
 
WeAreNDHockey said:
I've seen nothing out of 98% of the republicans in this country that tells me they DON'T want a civil war. The loudest voices in the party (and their media enablers) are basically telling people that American democracy is dead. Again, all projection. Only one party has spent a generation or more making voting a difficult thing for many segments of our society. It's laughable to think people believe this, but how many of trump's 69 million voters are now believing the election has been rife with fraud and cheating, all of it benefitting Biden? I'd bet it's more than half today and by the time this thing is officially called add another few million. Two or three days from now my guess is 50 million people will absolutely believe this election was stolen by Biden and the democrats. That is unacceptable. republicans pushing this narrative are literally leading us down a path to God only knows where. But these people are every bit the traitors that the leaders who caused the 1st Civil War were. Avoid the Christmas rush and arrest 'em all now.
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Stop clutching at pearls. Your TDS is out of control!!
 
bronconick said:
There's a bunch of Trump supporters gathering demanding a recount....in Rhode Island
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Cant they just do a "show of hands"? I mean I think there are more people in my suburb than Rhode Island.

I cant even laugh at my joke...the GOP is actively ripping this country apart for the lulz. Destroying America to own the Libz.
 
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