Grand Unified Election Thread 2: What is the difference between Biden and Dump?

[Rover]

We need an F U Itch Mcconnell thread!

This result is beautiful but not a huge surprise. In the last two Presidential election years I believe exactly one senator won a state that their party lost (Collins in ME). Pundidiots were relying too much on a senate runoff from 12 years ago to predict that Dems wouldn't turn out. Well, they did!

Huge props to Stacey Abrams of course, but good things are happening in other places as well. Dems in AZ, NV, VA etc have organized and flipped states that were solid red not too long ago. I can't wait for the inevitable 3 recounts out of losers Loeffler and Purdue to reconfirm their crushing defeat!

 

[rufus]

It would be hard to have two more unlikable opponents too. It's amazing that Perdue and Loeffler and disliked by both sides and still came pretty close. It goes to show you how insane a lot of voters are.

But.......but........Jew boy and a darkie......

 

[Handyman]

I don’t think Ossoff and Warnock are as liberal as some think. Definitely not Joe Manchin, but certainly not Elizabeth Warren. I think both are publicly against Medicare for All, although now that they’ve won, maybe that tune will change.

They are both pretty progressive. Neither is a Centrist nor pretend to be.

Ossoff will be 39 when he runs again in 6 years. Warnock is going to run in 2 years with Abrams on the ticket against Kemp...both are safe for a while so they have no need to run to the center either.

Ossoff now is very close to pushing this past the automatic recount which looks like a lock now. Wasserman and the NYT really crushed this one last night.

 

[Handyman]

For all the handwringing about how Ossoff ran so far behind Warnock...Ossoff overperformed compared to Biden and was running against a much stronger candidate. psych's 10% might be low but I bet the betting odds weren't THAT much better. Perdue, even with his issues, should have pulled it out. This is pretty crazy...

The problem was, as someone mentioned in here early last night, that Perdue and Loeffler were underperforming even in red districts and both Warnock and Ossoff overperformed in the blue ones. There is no way this isnt a 100% issue because of Trump. (just like the Midterms) Trumpers didn't show up in the smaller districts and Abrams and crew signed up 75k more people after November.

 

[Kepler]

I don’t think Ossoff and Warnock are as liberal as some think. Definitely not Joe Manchin, but certainly not Elizabeth Warren. I think both are publicly against Medicare for All, although now that they’ve won, maybe that tune will change.

Nobody said they are Warren.

The point is they didn't run away from the Dem standard the way basically every southern Dem from Senator to dog catcher has since Reagan. That is very important because that cringing, wrong-footed approach has always just reinforced the mindless media narrative that the South, the Prairie, and the Big Sky belong to R by divine right. They don't. It is possible to build a rival power base around educated whites and POC that is there because of liberalism, not despite it.

I'm not slagging Manchin. I would rather have a 30% D than a 0% R. If we need to run Manchins to gut Collins and Murkowski, by all means let's. But my contention has always been to take right up the yardage we can, everywhere. SO if we can only get to our 20 in WV, or our 10 in AL, fine. But in GA we go all the way to midfield and that is great!

We swept! America done good.

 

[psych]

They are both pretty progressive. Neither is a Centrist nor pretend to be.

Ossoff will be 39 when he runs again in 6 years. Warnock is going to run in 2 years with Abrams on the ticket against Kemp...both are safe for a while so they have no need to run to the center either.

Ossoff now is very close to pushing this past the automatic recount which looks like a lock now. Wasserman and the NYT really crushed this one last night.

I know they’ll both be much more progressive than Loeffler, Perdue, Manchin, and Collins. I don’t mean to make this an issue. I agree they’re both plenty liberal. Their victories moved our caucus left. I’m over the moon they both pulled it off.

 

[aparch]

We need an F U Itch Mcconnell thread!

While I'm normally angered to read when animals are reduced to near-extintion, waking up to read that the State of Georgia voters placed the Soft Shelled Bluegrass Turtle on the endangered species list hit a little differently, in a good way, today.

 

[psych]

Nobody said they are Warren.

You’re right. Call it a strawman argument. They’re plenty liberal and I’ll take wins where we can get them.

 

[Scarlet]

At what point today is Congress supposed to certify the election?

 

[Kepler]

But.......but........Jew boy and a darkie......

Seriously. The Klan has lost a step.

 

[Kepler]

At what point today is Congress supposed to certify the election?

1 pm ET start. God only knows when it ends. It depends on how badly Cruz et al. want to embarrass themselves and give political scientists immortal footage of the heyday of American Nazism.

 

[St. Clown]

For all the handwringing about how Ossoff ran so far behind Warnock...Ossoff overperformed compared to Biden and was running against a much stronger candidate. psych's 10% might be low but I bet the betting odds weren't THAT much better. Perdue, even with his issues, should have pulled it out. This is pretty crazy...

The problem was, as someone mentioned in here early last night, that Perdue and Loeffler were underperforming even in red districts and both Warnock and Ossoff overperformed in the blue ones. There is no way this isnt a 100% issue because of Trump. (just like the Midterms) Trumpers didn't show up in the smaller districts and Abrams and crew signed up 75k more people after November.

Finally, Trump proved useful.

 

[Handyman]

I know they’ll both be much more progressive than Loeffler, Perdue, Manchin, and Collins. I don’t mean to make this an issue. I agree they’re both plenty liberal. Their victories moved our caucus left. I’m over the moon they both pulled it off.

Well I think the problem is the press pretends candidates are, as you mentioned, either Warren/Bernie or Manchin. There is a huge spectrum of liberalism. It is much easier to play up the DEMS IN DISSARAY!!!!11 narrative if there is less nuance.

Neither of these guys are going to hold back Biden's agenda, and in fact will probably allow him to push a little bit farther. Everything is back on the table now even with Manchin being the new Collins. Sally Yates will likely be AG now. (sorry Donald!) $2k stimulus is likely to happen.

While neither is going to be burning DC to the ground with AOC and The Squad they are definitely going to be noticeably Left of Center when the voting records come out. And if Abrams in 2 years runs and wins...then Georgia is legit the new Virginia. (unlike WV which will always be WV with or without Manchin)

I dont think you are making it an issue...in fact you are basically shooting down the narrative the GOP tried to use to defeat them. :^)

 

[Handyman]

Finally, Trump proved useful.

He is the best the candidates the Dems could ever run!

 

[Handyman]

McConnell is going to be the first speaker when there is an objection...you ever seen a turtle get angry?!?

 

[Handyman]

Rudy is at the rally! Dear god people COVER YOUR NOSE!!

 

[Kepler]

Well I think the problem is the press pretends candidates are, as you mentioned, either Warren/Bernie or Manchin.

That's part of the problem.

Another part is the "Crazed Leftists" like Bernie and AOC aren't either. They're pragmatic, not ideological. Their "extremism" is to the right of the major Center-Left parties in every other democracy expect maybe Israel.

The media has tried nail the Overton Window shut at FDR (Left) to Reagan (Center) to John Birch Society (Right). I'm sure is it only a weird coincidence that they are controlled by Plutes who are enriched by restriction of permissible ideas.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

That's part of the problem.

Another part is the "Crazed Leftists" like Bernie and AOC aren't either. They're pragmatic, not ideological. And in terms of their "extremism" they are to the Right of Center-Left parties in every other western democracy.

The media has tried fix the Overton Window at FDR (Left) to Reagan (Center) to John Birch Society (Right). I'm sure is it only a weird coincidence that they are controlled by Plutes who are enriched by that particular perspective on permissible ideas.

Yes. The Window has been busted for years.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Honestly, now that the Dems have control of both houses, there's nothing to stop them from actually doing their jobs:
1. Crafting and passing legislation
2. Oversight - Legit, honest-to-farking-god oversight
3. Investigations - This is quietly going to be very important. I have to wonder if they can release prior reports and findings with fewer redactions. Anyone know?

 

[rufus]

Well I think the problem is the press pretends candidates are, as you mentioned, either Warren/Bernie or Manchin. There is a huge spectrum of liberalism. It is much easier to play up the DEMS IN DISSARAY!!!!11 narrative if there is less nuance.

Neither of these guys are going to hold back Biden's agenda, and in fact will probably allow him to push a little bit farther. Everything is back on the table now even with Manchin being the new Collins. Sally Yates will likely be AG now. (sorry Donald!) $2k stimulus is likely to happen.

While neither is going to be burning DC to the ground with AOC and The Squad they are definitely going to be noticeably Left of Center when the voting records come out. And if Abrams in 2 years runs and wins...then Georgia is legit the new Virginia. (unlike WV which will always be WV with or without Manchin)

I dont think you are making it an issue...in fact you are basically shooting down the narrative the GOP tried to use to defeat them. :^)

And don't forget, SC and Texas are on the verge of becoming the next Georgia.