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Global Warming -- 4th Edition: Carbonated Planet.

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jmh said:
OK, but if you make everything more affordable, then you're just creating a system of handouts. Nobody wants that, I don't think.

And it should be noted that the government has already tinkered with the real estate market plenty; the horse is long since out of the barn on that one.
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Hey, don't get me wrong, I don't think the government should be in that business at all. Heck, I was going to post essentially the underlined part when I got home. Just fired up the computer. I was just saying that between the two I'd have to go with the tax rebate/whatever.
 
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Bill said:
Wind power has some potentially serious obstacles:

http://www.commodityonline.com/news/US-aviation-experts-oppose-wind-energy-31286-3-1.html
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I find it hard to believe that the situation is that bad.

For one thing, wind turbines don't move. So even if they showed up funny on the radar- it would be in a known position that you could ignore, or work around. That, and they tend to be smaller than the big outcrops of rocks and trees we call hills and mountains.

If you ask me, they are making up reasons to not allow them.

Unless, we are planning on using them in the normal take off and landing paths.... which I kind of doubt we are.

Very dubious claims.
 
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alfablue said:
Unless, we are planning on using them in the normal take off and landing paths.... which I kind of doubt we are.
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If the article comments are to be believed, that's exactly what's causing a tiff in Indiana—a proposed wind farm on the approach to an airport.
 
Re: Global Warming -- 4th Edition: Carbonated Planet.

Where are all the people that laugh about climate change whenever there is a blizzard?

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Re: Global Warming -- 4th Edition: Carbonated Planet.

right here.
It should be obvious to everyone by now that global warming is out of control, just like Al said. The temperature must be up at least 50 degrees in the last three months alone. :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
In the good old days, we didn't have weather. The temperature was a comfortable 70 degrees, night and day, year round. Then someone invented fire, and screwed everything up. :mad:
 
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Classy guy

As Oklahomans Die, Inhofe Mocks Killer Heat Wave
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Meanwhile, Limbaugh says:

They’re playing games with us on this heat wave, again. Even Drudge. Drudge getting sucked in here. Going to be 116 in Washington. No, it’s not. It’s gonna be like 100, maybe 99. A heat index, manufactured by the government to tell you what it feels like when you add the humidity in there.
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The heat is a government CoNsPiRaCy!
 
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Priceless said:
Classy guy



Meanwhile, Limbaugh says:



The heat is a government CoNsPiRaCy!
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The only thing more annoying than someone citing a "heat index" as temperature, is someone acting like "wind chill" measures temps. Wind chill moreso, because it loses all meaning to someone who's wearing clothes over their skin. Now who cares how cold it would theoretically "feel" outside to a streaker in winter? How applicable is that really?
Rush might be exaggerating when he calls the National Weather Service "The Government", but I feel his pain.
 
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geezer said:
I'm sorry. Is that directed at me? Does that mean you don't want to talk about the value of wind chill "measurements"? Fine then.
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I'm with you geezer, wind chills and heat indexes are exaggerations of reality. They may actually measure something and they are a great tool for scientists but all they do is create unnecessary hysteria with weather like this.
 
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geezer said:
I'm sorry. Is that directed at me? Does that mean you don't want to talk about the value of wind chill "measurements"? Fine then.
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No, it means that you'd rather ignore climate change until the water is over your head. Shocking that no one seems to want to discuss climate change during a heat wave...remember this when you post during a blizzard.
 
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Priceless said:
No, it means that you'd rather ignore climate change until the water is over your head. Shocking that no one seems to want to discuss climate change during a heat wave...remember this when you post during a blizzard.
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CLIMATE CHANGES, I'll talk about it if you want to...CLIMATE CHANGES, North Dakota used to be under and ocean. The Medieval Warm Period happen before the industrial age. If you don't like what we're doing...go ahead and shut off all of your electronics, stop using anything that uses gasoline and live your life the way you want to. Who says the right is ignoring climate change? I'm not ignoring it, I'm arguing that you can't have it both ways, you can't claim that everything that is happening is because I burn fossil fuels. According to some experts the east and west coasts should already be under water...but they aren't. Global Warming political crap is BS. Climate Change is a talking point of religious movement.

ps geezer, thanks for giving me the bright idea to look in this thread since the last post was from you...
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
I'm with you geezer, wind chills and heat indexes are exaggerations of reality. They may actually measure something and they are a great tool for scientists but all they do is create unnecessary hysteria with weather like this.
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I don't think they're a useful tool at all (that I know of). What bothers me is when some knucklehead is posting on Facebook "It's 40 below here today! I'm a real man cause I'm stupid enough to live in Grand Forks!" and then it comes to light that the "40 below" is actually some made up formula that's supposed to represent how fast heat would be lost through your skin if you stood outside without clothes, and the actual temperature is 15 below. It's a pet peeve, sorry.
 
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Priceless said:
No, it means that you'd rather ignore climate change until the water is over your head. Shocking that no one seems to want to discuss climate change during a heat wave...remember this when you post during a blizzard.
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Let's talk about how we can "solve the problem" of no global warming being recorded in 12 (13?) years. Who broke my hockey stick? One trendy idea is to blame Chinese sulfates for cooling the northern hemisphere, but that fad was damaged when it was revealed that it's the southern hemisphere that's currently cooling while the northern is actually warming at a balancing rate (as it tends to do, half the time). We need a new bad guy.
 
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geezer said:
The only thing more annoying than someone citing a "heat index" as temperature, is someone acting like "wind chill" measures temps. Wind chill moreso, because it loses all meaning to someone who's wearing clothes over their skin. Now who cares how cold it would theoretically "feel" outside to a streaker in winter? How applicable is that really?
Rush might be exaggerating when he calls the National Weather Service "The Government", but I feel his pain.
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The Limbaugh bit is pure manufactured “dam gumment” meme reinforcement. Straight temperature is found as well as any index from every NWS source. Interesting isn’t it that almost everyone’s receipt of temperature data is from some business (broadcasters, who themselves usually pay another business to forward it to them). The thing about AM Radio that I don’t get is why anybody wants to listen to what’s basically complaints 24/7.

And geez, strange you would rant about a wind-chill index on a site devoted to hockey. Quite often most of us find ourselves where, during good part of the year, wind-chill is useful info. It's something we can do something about as we experience it.

But hey, a day without complaint is a day without rain.
 
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geezer said:
I don't think they're a useful tool at all (that I know of). What bothers me is when some knucklehead is posting on Facebook "It's 40 below here today! I'm a real man cause I'm stupid enough to live in Grand Forks!" and then it comes to light that the "40 below" is actually some made up formula that's supposed to represent how fast heat would be lost through your skin if you stood outside without clothes, and the actual temperature is 15 below. It's a pet peeve, sorry.
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The wind chill isn't "if you stood outside without clothes." :rolleyes:
Wind chill (often popularly called the wind chill factor) is the felt air temperature on exposed skin due to wind. It measures the effect of wind on air temperature.
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For example, if you go outside without gloves on, or don't have your face covered, then you have parts of your body exposed to the wind and cold. But that's actual science, which is probably beyond the flat-Earthers.

I see why no one bothers to debate this topic anymore.
 
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alfablue said:
I find it hard to believe that the situation is that bad.

For one thing, wind turbines don't move. So even if they showed up funny on the radar- it would be in a known position that you could ignore, or work around. That, and they tend to be smaller than the big outcrops of rocks and trees we call hills and mountains.

If you ask me, they are making up reasons to not allow them.

Unless, we are planning on using them in the normal take off and landing paths.... which I kind of doubt we are.

Very dubious claims.
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Wind generating sites are less than optimum places for trying to gracefully return a flying machine to good ol’ terra. Things start getting much gnarlier when there’s applicable wind, especially for lighter aircraft. Locations for airport have usually been governed by low cost land – they’re high acreage propositions - and calmer winds. Additionally, it’s not a good idea to erect tall things around them.

Locally, the issue was raised several years ago. The proposed wind farm location had a radio VOR beacon about 6 miles from one runway’s threshold that’s being relocated. Weather radar is 70-80 miles away. I could see moving blades 400 feet in diameter nearly on a runway center line and that close to an end having an effect on the ILS signal, but everything seems to be a go, as the owner signed a long term delivery contract with a power distributor 6-7 weeks ago.

If the reported claim of lots of hold-ups is true, I have to think their group membership is skewed.
 
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Priceless said:
that's actual science, which is probably beyond the flat-Earthers.
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yeah... well, I just find it annoying. If someone tells me it's 40 below at their house, I wish it had meaning. Not, "is that with gloves on or off? Or with just one off? You know, it would be 50 below if you also took off your hat" Obviously these things are accepted at face value by most people, and are in wide use. I know I'm in the minority with my crankiness but I think the only reason they're in use is so people can brag about the extremes they're putting up with.
fyi - the formula has also been changed up recently so it turns out you were even tougher than you knew.
 
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