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Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

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5mn_Major said:
There is a small cross section of state conservatives that are just like her. The wierd thing is that she is the antithesis of most Minnesotans...who are reseserved, 'Minnesota nice', pragmatic, progressive, and smart.
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I'd be careful throwing that "progressive" term as a blanket statement across the bulk of the state. I'd honestly say you have the "reserved, Minnesota Nice, pragmatic... and smart" part pretty much nailed. But progressive I'm not entirely sure that's correct. I think Minnesotans are actually somewhat conservative, but by no means neo-conservative. They aren't Sarah Palin conservatives (some are, obviously) but the bulk are quite moderate. They take, as you correctly put, a pragmatic and intelligent approach to most topics. Which is why they haven't voted Republican in my lifetime.

Take gay marriage. Most of the conservatives I know are for it. There's a very vocal portion of the far right in Minnesota that try to speak for all conservatives. They don't. Gay marriage will pass because of the logical approach most Minnesotans take when they make decisions.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
See, here's why you don't even know what you're talking about:

................Obama.....McCain......Difference (+ is McCain)

Anoka is the largest of the counties yet it had one of the closest margins. Washington had the second closest in terms of percentages. This district was essentially won in Sherberne, Stearns, and Wright.
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Anoka, Washington and Wright counties (with a population of about 670k) decide district 6 not the northern countries of Sherburne, Stearns and Benton (with a population of about 270k).

And using a completely different candidate's numbers for Bachmann are insufficient to show otherwise.
 
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I am conservative, but I don't agree with much of Bachmann's BS. Even still, I don't mind her because with all of her bat**** crazy attributes I have a feeling that she does serve a purpose. I think much of her actual policy (not accusing half of Washington of being in the muslim brotherhood) has the potential to drive some actual productive conversation, the problem is, if she's involved in the conversation, all hell would break loose. If she just wasn't so ****ing nuts, she could actually do some good. (I am actually a bit sceptical of how bat**** crazy she actually is. I think she loves being talked about and loves playing to the base, so she says and does crazy ****. I'm thinking that she's actually pretty smart and most of the crazy is calculated)
 
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5mn_Major said:
Anoka, Washington and Wright counties (with a population of about 670k) decide district 6 not the northern countries of Sherburne, Stearns and Benton (with a population of about 270k).

And using a completely different candidate's numbers for Bachmann are insufficient to show otherwise.
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Lulz. Ok.

...............Clark.........Bachmann.....Contribution to Spread
Benton........5,388......6,973.....0.6%
Anoka.........35,297.....47,224...4.3%
Sherberne...11,488.....18,851....2.6%
Stearns......20,840.....24,977....1.5%
Washington.31,045.....33,803.....1.0%
Wright........16,669.....27,412.....3.8%

While Anoka contributed the most outright, if you look at Anoka and Washington, they combine for only 5.3% of the 13.8% spread. Benton, Sherberne, Stearns, and Wright accounted for 8.3% of the 13.8% spread. That's a whopping 61.9% of the spread from only 47.4% of the population of the district. You want to keep arguing that the northwest corner isn't her base?
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I'd be careful throwing that "progressive" term as a blanket statement across the bulk of the state. I'd honestly say you have the "reserved, Minnesota Nice, pragmatic... and smart" part pretty much nailed. But progressive I'm not entirely sure that's correct.
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I did say a majority of Minnesotans. But yes, I'd say a majority of Minnesotans are progressive. A recent PPP poll has the gay marriage ban at risk as 49% are against and 43% are for. Minnesota supports environmental causes just see all the wind generators until you cross the S Dakota border where they instantly disappear. This is a progressive call (as opposed to those who think that global warming is a hoax). On the business front, we've enacted many innovations where the rest of the country has followed (banning smoking in many indoor locations). We have far more in common with other progressive states of Washington state than we do of conservative states like Alabama, Texas and Utah. Minnesota is comparatively progressive.
 
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Wait...how did a discussion of the GWOT turn into a dissertation of the dynamics of elections in Minnesota's 6th district? :p
 
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Priceless said:
Wait...how did a discussion of the GWOT turn into a dissertation of the dynamics of elections in Minnesota's 6th district? :p
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I was wondering the same thing. Then I realized Bachmann was involved. One could argue she is part of the GWoT. I'll leave which side of the problem she's on to the masses. :D
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Lulz. Ok.

...............Clark.........Bachmann.....Contribution to Spread
Benton........5,388......6,973.....0.6%
Anoka.........35,297.....47,224...4.3%
Sherberne...11,488.....18,851....2.6%
Stearns......20,840.....24,977....1.5%
Washington.31,045.....33,803.....1.0%
Wright........16,669.....27,412.....3.8%

While Anoka contributed the most outright, if you look at Anoka and Washington, they combine for only 5.3% of the 13.8% spread. Benton, Sherberne, Stearns, and Wright accounted for 8.3% of the 13.8% spread. That's a whopping 61.9% of the spread from only 47.4% of the population of the district. You want to keep arguing that the northwest corner isn't her base?
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There you go. So who elected Bachmann?

The suburbs/exurbs of Anoka, Washington, Wright - Bachmann 108k vs. Clark 83k...Gave Bachmann an incremental +25k votes
The St Cloud and northern areas of Stearns, Sherburne, Benton - Bachmann 51k vs. Clark 38k...Gave Bachmann an incremental +13k votes

As I said...the suburb/exurb counties of Anoka, Wright and Washington put her in office.
 
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5mn_Major said:
There you go. So who elected Bachmann?

The suburbs/exurbs of Anoka, Washington, Wright - Bachmann 108k vs. Clark 83k...Gave Bachmann an incremental +25k votes
The St Cloud and northern areas of Stearns, Sherburne, Benton - Bachmann 51k vs. Clark 38k...Gave Bachmann an incremental +13k votes

As I said...the suburb/exurb counties of Anoka, Wright and Washington put her in office.
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This is a joke... right? Do you understand math?

Also, Anoka County is not an exurb. STOP CALLING IT THAT. Over 2/3 of the population of Anoka County is south of Anoka, Blaine, and Coon Rapids (inclusive). So to include it with Wright is like comparing apples and oranges.
 
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Priceless said:
Wait...how did a discussion of the GWOT turn into a dissertation of the dynamics of elections in Minnesota's 6th district? :p
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Its a war for the hearts and minds of ex-urban Minnesotans.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
This is a joke... right? Do you understand math?
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Last I checked, showing that 3 metro counties contributed 25k votes vs. 3 outstate counties contributing 13k votes to Bachmann's victory...is math.

dxmnkd316 said:
Also, Anoka County is not an exurb. STOP CALLING IT THAT. Over 2/3 of the population of Anoka County is south of Anoka, Blaine, and Coon Rapids (inclusive). So to include it with Wright is like comparing apples and oranges.
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Relax, it appears all this Bachmann talk is rubbing off on you.

I didn't call Anoka strictly an exurb. I called it a suburb/exurb...which it is even by your own admission that 2/3 of the population is suburban and 1/3 is exurb.

Sherburne, Stearns and Benton are all outstate counties. Wright, Anoka and Washington are all major counties bordering the twin cities each with over 100k people. And as shown, they've determined Bachmann's victory.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Last I checked, showing that 3 metro counties contributed 25k votes vs. 3 outstate counties contributing 13k votes to Bachmann's victory...is math.



Relax, it appears all this Bachmann talk is rubbing off on you.

I didn't call Anoka strictly an exurb. I called it a suburb/exurb...which it is even by your own admission that 2/3 of the population is suburban and 1/3 is exurb.

Sherburne, Stearns and Benton are all outstate counties. Wright, Anoka and Washington are all major counties bordering the twin cities each with over 100k people. And as shown, they've determined Bachmann's victory.
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LMFAO. Wright? A metro county?

Anoka and Washington are touching the 694 loop. Wright is "small town" Minnesota. It's largest city would barely crack the top ten in Anoka. St Michael and Buffalo, Wright's two largest cities, are 45 minutes and 60 minutes from the cities. Have you even been to these cities? For someone from Minnesota, I can't believe you seriously consider Anoka/Washington as comparable to Wright.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
LMFAO. Wright? A metro county?

Anoka and Washington are touching the 694 loop. Wright is "small town" Minnesota.
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Small town? Not even. Wright is one of the top ten counties in the state and has as many people as Bloomington and Richfield combined.

Wright grew at 39% over the last decade...the second fastest growth rate out of the state's 87 counties.

How does a 'small town' county add more people than Golden Valley in just ten years? Absolutely an exurb of the twin cities.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I am conservative, but I don't agree with much of Bachmann's BS. Even still, I don't mind her because with all of her bat**** crazy attributes I have a feeling that she does serve a purpose. I think much of her actual policy (not accusing half of Washington of being in the muslim brotherhood) has the potential to drive some actual productive conversation...
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I really don't follow her that closely, but it's been claimed at another forum she hasn't had any policy enacted since haeding to DC? fwiw of course
 
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5mn_Major said:
Small town? Not even. Wright is one of the top ten counties in the state and has as many people as Bloomington and Richfield combined.

Wright grew at 39% over the last decade...the second fastest growth rate out of the state's 87 counties.

How does a 'small town' county add more people than Golden Valley in just ten years? Absolutely an exurb of the twin cities.
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*slaps forehead*
 
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I agree, it is sad to see that Golden Valley isn't utilizing all of that extra, empty space it borders to expand at a faster rate.
 
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