Gender Studies I

[French Rage]

She’s half black tho

Look to the cookie! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR9wi3q6d8o

 

[Kepler]

Look to the cookie! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR9wi3q6d8o

My god, was he ever funny?

 

[dxmnkd316]

No

 

[MissThundercat]

These two statements are contradictory. If you were actually okay with people adopting “new” gender identities, then you would be able to look us in the keyboard and say, “A trans woman IS a woman, and that woman happened to be born with a dick.”

But you won’t, because deep down in your brain, you don’t believe that trans women ARE women. You see it as “taking on a role” or “play acting,” not as being an expression of who they truly are. Putting on the clothes, adopting new patterns of speech, even surgery, are all just the outward, physical signs of the person inside.

Denying that someone is who they know themselves to be IS hate, no matter how much you think that the many other non-hateful things you do in other areas of your life somehow prove that you can’t be hateful in this way.

Given how marginalized and vulnerable the trans community is, yes, seeing expressions of hate toward them makes my blood boil - I would have more understanding towards people who pulled the wing off of flies or kicked puppies.

Also, as a trans woman, I can show you pictures of where I was 10 years ago to the person I am now. The difference is night and day.

And dx, expanding further, I will also say that it's hateful when bigots reduce my right to exist and participate in society as I am to a debate, in the same way one debates pineapple on pizza or ketchup on hot dogs. Also, phobes will say "I don't hate you," then accuse trans women and the drag community of rape, grooming, and pedophilia, for which there is no evidence.

 

[Kepler]

Also, as a trans woman, I can show you pictures of where I was 10 years ago to the person I am now. The difference is night and day.

And dx, expanding further, I will also say that it's hateful when bigots reduce my right to exist and participate in society as I am to a debate, in the same way one debates pineapple on pizza or ketchup on hot dogs. Also, phobes will say "I don't hate you," then accuse trans women and the drag community of rape, grooming, and pedophilia, for which there is no evidence.

Particularly since the groomers, rapists, and pedophiles are inevitably rightwing evangelicals and Catholics.

 

[Swansong]

Yeah, the worst thing that could happen at one of these drag brunches is if republicans show up.

 

[MissThundercat]

Yeah, the worst thing that could happen at one of these drag brunches is if republicans show up.

And at this point, it's nonviolence when possible, but I am prepared to swing my fists should the need arise.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Also, as a trans woman, I can show you pictures of where I was 10 years ago to the person I am now. The difference is night and day.

And dx, expanding further, I will also say that it's hateful when bigots reduce my right to exist and participate in society as I am to a debate, in the same way one debates pineapple on pizza or ketchup on hot dogs. Also, phobes will say "I don't hate you," then accuse trans women and the drag community of rape, grooming, and pedophilia, for which there is no evidence.

Team pineapple and ketchup.

Being serious for a moment (though, I am serious about ketchup and pineapple) I don't disagree. But I guess I didn't follow why you tagged me here. I wanted to make sure I didn't say anything stupider than usual

 

[MissThundercat]

210 (ish) pieces of anti-trans legislation proposed this year, including bans on affirming care up to age 26.

At least 90% of those bills have been proposed in states ranking at or near the bottom in quality of life, infrastructure, and child welfare.

 

[Fishman'81]

What possible legal issues are there for gender that don't involve a locker room or bathroom?

And I'm excluding those two scenarios because they're somehow safe harbor for conservatives.

There exist a whole ton of legal issues.

Think about it; the possibilities are nearly endless, if one can shape-change at will.

 

[French Rage]

The only limit is yourself. Zombo.com!

 

[LynahFan]

There exist a whole ton of legal issues.

Think about it; the possibilities are nearly endless, if one can shape-change at will.

One can. Nobody does.

Forget data - can you even come up with an anecdote?

 

[Fishman'81]

These two statements are contradictory. If you were actually okay with people adopting “new” gender identities, then you would be able to look us in the keyboard and say, “A trans woman IS a woman, and that woman happened to be born with a dick.”

But you won’t, because deep down in your brain, you don’t believe that trans women ARE women. You see it as “taking on a role” or “play acting,” not as being an expression of who they truly are. Putting on the clothes, adopting new patterns of speech, even surgery, are all just the outward, physical signs of the person inside.

Denying that someone is who they know themselves to be IS hate, no matter how much you think that the many other non-hateful things you do in other areas of your life somehow prove that you can’t be hateful in this way.

Given how marginalized and vulnerable the trans community is, yes, seeing expressions of hate toward them makes my blood boil - I would have more understanding towards people who pulled the wing off of flies or kicked puppies.

You go ahead and kick all the puppies you want to kick. What you say amounts to exactly that.

I don't hate anyone.

But, I have a brain, and possess the ability to process the inevitable outcomes of certain misplaced "logic".

 

[MissThundercat]

If "shape-shifting at will" were a thing, I damn sure wouldn't have chosen something that meant societal, political, and familial maltreatment.

I'd have picked Pink Fire Breathing Dragon.

 

[Kepler]

I don't hate anyone.

That is good, and perhaps because of that you should take pause from the fact that LOTS of us are telling you the effect of your words and your attitudes causes people pain. Maybe you should consider the effect of your opinions on others, and perhaps you should say to yourself, "Self, now I know you feel this very strongly, but isn't it immaterial in the end what editorial opinion you have about these people whereas, on the other hand, they have to actually live their lives?"

And, most importantly, maybe because you have empathy you should consider that anti-trans rhetoric supports an environment in which trans people are under threat of both legal consequences and physical violence, and psychological harm of such a magnitude many attempt suicide.

What idea is worth that damage? You don't hate people and you don't wish them harm. So stand down.

 

[Kepler]

If "shape-shifting at will" were a thing, I damn sure wouldn't have chosen something that meant societal, political, and familial maltreatment.

I'd have picked Pink Fire Breathing Dragon.

I was hoping you could teach me shape shifting because I'd like to shape shift to this:

 

[dxmnkd316]

That is good, and perhaps because of that you should take pause from the fact that LOTS of us are telling you the effect of your words and your attitudes causes people pain. Maybe you should consider the effect of your opinions on others, and perhaps you should say to yourself, "Self, now I know you feel this very strongly, but isn't it immaterial in the end what editorial opinion you have about these people whereas, on the other hand, they have to actually live their lives?"

And, most importantly, maybe because you have empathy you should consider that anti-trans rhetoric supports an environment in which trans people are under threat of both legal consequences and physical violence, and psychological harm of such a magnitude many attempt suicide.

What idea is worth that damage? You don't hate people and you don't wish them harm. So stand down.

"hate" to conservatives is interesting. What's the term for something that changes whether it's coming to you or away from you? Doppler effect is the only thing I could think of.

Anyways. It's interesting. For a conservative, "hate" going outward from them to others means that they don't think they should be executed, the weakest form of the word hate. BUt when it's perceived as coming towards them, it gains strength and is amplied to be any sort of remote disagreement with their preconceived notions.

 

[Kepler]

"hate" to conservatives is interesting. What's the term for something that changes whether it's coming to you or away from you? Doppler effect is the only thing I could think of.

Anyways. It's interesting. For a conservative, "hate" going outward from them to others means that they don't think they should be executed, the weakest form of the word hate. BUt when it's perceived as coming towards them, it gains strength and is amplied to be any sort of remote disagreement with their preconceived notions.

Either that or they really are so think-skinned and fragile that disapproval of their bigotry really does feel to them the equivalent of when they lynch people.

At a certain point, the screaming of conservatives like scalded babies when you tell them their sky god was just a metaphor must be taken seriously. We are dealing with snowflakes.

 

[Fishman'81]

That is good, and perhaps because of that you should take pause from the fact that LOTS of us are telling you the effect of your words and your attitudes causes people pain. Maybe you should consider the effect of your opinions on others, and perhaps you should say to yourself, "Self, now I know you feel this very strongly, but isn't it immaterial in the end what editorial opinion you have about these people whereas, on the other hand, they have to actually live their lives?"

And, most importantly, maybe because you have empathy you should consider that anti-trans rhetoric supports an environment in which trans people are under threat of both legal consequences and physical violence, and psychological harm of such a magnitude many attempt suicide.

What idea is worth that damage? You don't hate people and you don't wish them harm. So stand down.

It's not "anti-trans", Einstein... It's "pro-biology", or perhaps "pro-science"...

Not that hard to grasp.

Aren't we libs supposed to support scientific facts, even when it's politically inconvenient?

 

[Kepler]

I tried. Back in your hole.