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Gender Neutral
- Thread starter SonofSouthie
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Slap Shot
I got nothing
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
UncleRay
M-A-I-N-E, GooOOO, Blue!
Re: Gender Neutral
No. You are what you are. You identify as what you think you are. There is a difference. It isn't rocket surgery.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: Gender Neutral
Welcome to the idiotics of SJWs who can't understand your gender is dependent upon your body parts "down there".
Welcome to the idiotics of SJWs who can't understand your gender is dependent upon your body parts "down there".
Re: Gender Neutral
I don't think that's quite it, though I do agree with you substantively.
Some people use the word "digits" to refer to fingers and toes, and some people use the word "digits" to refer to individual numerals in a longer number. If one person is using the same word with one meaning while another person is using the same word with another meaning, then confusion is bound to ensue.
Some people use "gender" to refer primarily to biology: in this sense, there would be six "genders."
Some people use "gender" to refer to a social construct: in this sense, there could theoretically be as many as 320 million different "genders" in the USA alone, maybe 6 billion worldwide. Each person gets to determine their own unique "gender" unilaterally, to define it as whatever they want it to mean.
No wonder so many young people talk about "gender fluidity" in this context.
I don't think that's quite it, though I do agree with you substantively.
Some people use the word "digits" to refer to fingers and toes, and some people use the word "digits" to refer to individual numerals in a longer number. If one person is using the same word with one meaning while another person is using the same word with another meaning, then confusion is bound to ensue.
Some people use "gender" to refer primarily to biology: in this sense, there would be six "genders."
Some people use "gender" to refer to a social construct: in this sense, there could theoretically be as many as 320 million different "genders" in the USA alone, maybe 6 billion worldwide. Each person gets to determine their own unique "gender" unilaterally, to define it as whatever they want it to mean.
No wonder so many young people talk about "gender fluidity" in this context.
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Gender Neutral
Why? Elementary school kids haven't even hit puberty yet. Let them be kids, and they can truly figure out their orientation once the hormones are flowing and the plumbing starts to work.
Why? Elementary school kids haven't even hit puberty yet. Let them be kids, and they can truly figure out their orientation once the hormones are flowing and the plumbing starts to work.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Gender Neutral
Part of it goes down to when children are young, we create constructs around what's expected of them as they age. Look at toys, the girls have toys covered in pink, tend to be somewhat frillier, and designed towards concepts of friendship and cooperation; boys have toys that are geared towards power and conflict (Transformers, G.I. Joe, and so on, from when I was a kid). Then we know there are boys who gravitate towards playing with Barbie dolls, and girls who want the G.I. Joe stuff, which people with more time and thought on this subject than I have state it's a sign of their gender not syncing with what we expect of their wang/vagina equipment.
Part of it goes down to when children are young, we create constructs around what's expected of them as they age. Look at toys, the girls have toys covered in pink, tend to be somewhat frillier, and designed towards concepts of friendship and cooperation; boys have toys that are geared towards power and conflict (Transformers, G.I. Joe, and so on, from when I was a kid). Then we know there are boys who gravitate towards playing with Barbie dolls, and girls who want the G.I. Joe stuff, which people with more time and thought on this subject than I have state it's a sign of their gender not syncing with what we expect of their wang/vagina equipment.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Gender Neutral
That's as much a class division as gender. Blue collar kids play with soldiers, guns and dump trucks. That's less about perpetuating gender roles and more about reproducing class interests.
Though there is overlap since lower education households also tend to insist more on "traditional" gender roles and behavior.
That's as much a class division as gender. Blue collar kids play with soldiers, guns and dump trucks. That's less about perpetuating gender roles and more about reproducing class interests.
Though there is overlap since lower education households also tend to insist more on "traditional" gender roles and behavior.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Re: Gender Neutral
Didn't grow up blue collar (nor did most of my grade school friends) and we are all over all of the above.
Didn't grow up blue collar (nor did most of my grade school friends) and we are all over all of the above.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Gender Neutral
Sure, tomboys (and whatever the male equivalent is) exist. That doesn't necessarily mean they grow up to be lesbians or trans men.
Sure, tomboys (and whatever the male equivalent is) exist. That doesn't necessarily mean they grow up to be lesbians or trans men.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Gender Neutral
Can you think of anything worse than being born one gender and identifying as the other? I can't. And then to top it off some while male forces you to use the restroom of the gender or your plumbing instead of what you really feel?
Have some empathy for cripes sake.
Can you think of anything worse than being born one gender and identifying as the other? I can't. And then to top it off some while male forces you to use the restroom of the gender or your plumbing instead of what you really feel?
Have some empathy for cripes sake.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Gender Neutral
Easy, Scooby. We're not arguing over orientation or bathroom stuff here - that should be done and settled for anyone who isn't a Bible Thumper. We're questioning age-appropriateness for these topics and issues in the school system.
Easy, Scooby. We're not arguing over orientation or bathroom stuff here - that should be done and settled for anyone who isn't a Bible Thumper. We're questioning age-appropriateness for these topics and issues in the school system.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Gender Neutral
This one time it isn't on the white males. It's on craptastic bigots, and if anything, people of color tend to be more prejudiced on issues of sexuality than whites.
And yes, of course the most vile and violent will be the usual suspects from the local GOP Klan meeting, but there's plenty of gender hatred out there to go around.
This one time it isn't on the white males. It's on craptastic bigots, and if anything, people of color tend to be more prejudiced on issues of sexuality than whites.
And yes, of course the most vile and violent will be the usual suspects from the local GOP Klan meeting, but there's plenty of gender hatred out there to go around.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Gender Neutral
That's why people call it a spectrum rather than slotting people into specific pegs.
People want to identify and label others, to fit them into specific positions, because we like to understand things and classification helps with that. My point about the toys is that children will give you simple, honest clues as to who they are because at that point they don't know how to conform with societal norms. If parents don't push a child towards one thing or another, and that's very difficult for most people to do (likely myself, if I were ever to have children), we might see an entirely different culture form because most people inherently conform to commands and expectations.
That's why people call it a spectrum rather than slotting people into specific pegs.
People want to identify and label others, to fit them into specific positions, because we like to understand things and classification helps with that. My point about the toys is that children will give you simple, honest clues as to who they are because at that point they don't know how to conform with societal norms. If parents don't push a child towards one thing or another, and that's very difficult for most people to do (likely myself, if I were ever to have children), we might see an entirely different culture form because most people inherently conform to commands and expectations.
Re: Gender Neutral
Sometimes when you know, you know. Sorry for the political flavor included, but here's a 5 yr old who definitely knew. So I'd say 6 isn't too early.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...5b9dee4b0780bac2db429?section=us_queer-voices
Sometimes when you know, you know. Sorry for the political flavor included, but here's a 5 yr old who definitely knew. So I'd say 6 isn't too early.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...5b9dee4b0780bac2db429?section=us_queer-voices