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Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

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My interpretation of a "snowflake" is someone who gets offended at the slighest thing and cannot deal with it. The folks who feel the need to have "safe zones," the folks who just cannot bear to hear an opposing viewpoint without freaking out. That sorta thing. I, for one, do not limit the term to any political party or generation.
 
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Brenthoven said:
My interpretation of a "snowflake" is someone who gets offended at the slighest thing and cannot deal with it. The folks who feel the need to have "safe zones," the folks who just cannot bear to hear an opposing viewpoint without freaking out. That sorta thing. I, for one, do not limit the term to any political party or generation.
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I would go with that but when I read things the wingnuts seem to label anyone who attempts a logical post does not agree with X or calls out someone for being uncivil as a snowflake.

If I see 'snowflake' in a post I generally dismiss the person as a non-thinker using the label because they have nothing intelligent to respond. If the argument is the person is whiny isn't labeling them a snowflake being whiny right back?

There are a lot of those lately popping up in places I wouldn't expect- Scientific American posts :eek: This goes along with people who feel having an opinion other than theirs who are 'sore losers'. Whether someone won or lost has nothing to do with a person making a logical argument. Well, I know logic is now out of fashion....
 
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leswp1 said:
I would go with that but when I read things the wingnuts seem to label anyone who attempts a logical post does not agree with X or calls out someone for being uncivil as a snowflake
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Yes, those people are out there. That part sucks.
 
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leswp1 said:
Unfortunately phones are not what the younger generation in my family use and they live fairly far away.

I fall pray to the disease that people should be able to debate, consider facts/research and think of consequences to what is proposed. Sadly this is way out of fashion. Scientific American had the best article about why this isn't so and also why social media makes this even worse.
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People want to debate, and that's fine. The issue is not with debating, but the specific information that is presented to you in order to slant said debate. Despite any work you do, fakebook's algorithm is designed to make you as ****ed off as possible so you will be angry. However if you present a logical viewpoint, they will either bury it, bring in paid trolls to counteract with rhetoric, or just plain censor it altogether.

I'm sorry your younger relatives won't even use SMS, but if that's their prerogative, so be it.
 
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I wish I was surprised by that response. It is rather sad that I am not.
 
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leswp1 said:
I would go with that but when I read things the wingnuts seem to label anyone who attempts a logical post does not agree with X or calls out someone for being uncivil as a snowflake.

If I see 'snowflake' in a post I generally dismiss the person as a non-thinker using the label because they have nothing intelligent to respond. If the argument is the person is whiny isn't labeling them a snowflake being whiny right back?

There are a lot of those lately popping up in places I wouldn't expect- Scientific American posts :eek: This goes along with people who feel having an opinion other than theirs who are 'sore losers'. Whether someone won or lost has nothing to do with a person making a logical argument. Well, I know logic is now out of fashion....
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If it's not "snowflake", there'll be another term, whether "racist", "liberal", "misogynistic", whatever today is. Welcome to a country that is just as divided as the 1850's.

If people have a legitimate beef about a thought or policy, that's fine, and people should be all ears. If it's just being attacked because of the party, or who said it, then you start having a problem, and is where "sore loser" should start coming into play. And even if you try to apply any sort of logic to it, take any sort of party alignments out of the question, and see if the logic still stands. I recognized this around the time of Obama's first 100 days. Sure, I was young fall-in-line mutton that didn't know what the hell to stand for. Then I started listening to how Hannity was introducing his radio show, and I thought to myself, "Why the hell am I doing this? And why is this group now suddenly opposed to things they supported because a different person is in charge?" That is when I vowed to myself not to fall into a party line ever again.

A former friend once said to me to put your vote behind a positive reason, never against someone. I must say, he's absolutely correct. I did try to come up with positive reasons in 2004, but looking back, it was just party talking points. And 2008's vote I regret because it truly was an anti-vote. It was liberating voting for Johnson in 2012, because it was one of the first times I felt like I did something positive. And I don't regret, for one second, not voting for Trump. And not because I'm not in a battleground state, either. Johnson's views aligned with mine the closest, and I do firmly believe I made the right choice.
 
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I am confused by the label. To me the definition of someone who is a snowflake should be they melt away with any opposition. Instead it is being used in reference to people who are standing up for what they believe- I truly don't get how it makes them a snowflake. (This has bugged me for some time). I esp don't get it because some of the people who use it are the ones who have spent yrs whining about things not being the way they want with no logical explanation for why it should be done that way.
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Snowflake started in use as a label for the Millenials who were special, unique, and upset that the world didn't recognize them as such, just like a real snowflake.
 
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St. Clown said:
Snowflake started in use as a label for the Millenials who were special, unique, and upset that the world didn't recognize them as such, just like a real snowflake.
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Hmm. It really is amazing how labels can morph or be manipulated. When I was a kid being an intellectual, going to college, being educated all were things to aspire to. Now they, for some reason are derogatory. Having experience- a minus. Being able to work with others and flexible- also negative. I am educated, intellectual, have 2 degrees, think people should be able to work with others- I am not good at all.
 
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leswp1 said:
I am confused by the label. To me the definition of someone who is a snowflake should be they melt away with any opposition. Instead it is being used in reference to people who are standing up for what they believe- I truly don't get how it makes them a snowflake. (This has bugged me for some time). I esp don't get it because some of the people who use it are the ones who have spent yrs whining about things not being the way they want with no logical explanation for why it should be done that way.
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It originated with aging and unhappy members of the GenX/Boomer crowd who needed a special epithet for Millennials, like "hippie" used to be back in the 60s. The idea is that every snowflake is unique, and thus young libs who are part of the "gig economy" feel they're unique because they rejected 9-5 cube farm and/or manual labor, even if it would increase their standard of living. Also, because they are young and liberal and tend to promote social justice causes, which then led to the "Social Justice Warrior/SJW" epithet.

Such terminology has gone far past its origins, and is now very old and tiresome.

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If I see 'snowflake' in a post I generally dismiss the person as a non-thinker using the label because they have nothing intelligent to respond.
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I'm pretty sure SJW came along before the Snowflake term.

Regardless, when I pull out the Snowflake label, it means I'm having fun, and using it in jest, not during serious discussion.
 
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I'm pretty sure SJW came along before the Snowflake term.

Regardless, when I pull out the Snowflake label, it means I'm having fun, and using it in jest, not during serious discussion.
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Social Justice Warrior has sort of come out a bit recently, in light of people finally coming to terms with Obama's "civilian force" that he announced during his first term and Soros has funded, and has shown themselves under several names. And with the groups calling for all this fighting and violence, warrior only comes to mind.
 
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leswp1 said:
Hmm. It really is amazing how labels can morph or be manipulated. When I was a kid being an intellectual, going to college, being educated all were things to aspire to.
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Those things are still valued among humans. Among apes they were always demonized because, well, Dunning-Kruger. All that's changed is the public sphere used to have human gatekeepers and doesn't anymore, so apes now control public narratives.

If anything there is a greater percentage of humans than there was when we grew up. Natural selection favors humans in the long run as long as we can literally, physically protect ourselves from the apes. In the end, all they have is violence.

The history of the world is not that different from middle school.
 
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Kepler said:
Those things are still valued among humans. Among apes they were always demonized because, well, Dunning-Kruger. All that's changed is the public sphere used to have human gatekeepers and doesn't anymore, so apes now control public narratives.

If anything there is a greater percentage of humans than there was when we grew up. Natural selection favors humans in the long run as long as we can literally, physically protect ourselves from the apes. In the end, all they have is violence.

The history of the world is not that different from middle school.
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The apes however manage to vote and get control of large swaths of decision making real estate
 
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It's funny how they always want to be friends right after ripping out your heart.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I chose attractive/intelligent. Guess which one of the triad I lost out on? :p
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Let's not go too far on the intelligence part there, Brent. She was studying to be a nurse and told you that pulling out was effective birth control.

Sure, you got something good out of it, but still, it's tough to be more wrong than that. From someone studying to be a nurse. Not a candy striper. A nurse. Seriously.
 
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