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Game of Thrones - Season 4: Who Is Jon Snow?

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St. Clown hits all the right notes, it seems.

One thing I'm curious about: Does Varys have a hand in this "pardon"? Barristan delivers the news that "Robert Baratheon" has pardoned him. But why would this be engineered by Tywin if there is potential that he (Jorah) can do the Lannisters harm? If not, what is Varys' aim? Unless I missed something, it seems that nobody in Dany's inner circle knows current events at the Red Keep. And as far as the small council are concerned, Mormont is no longer useful because they've given him up as "fully devoted" to the Targaryen princess. So ... who really sent the pardon ... and when?
 
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owslachief said:
St. Clown hits all the right notes, it seems.

One thing I'm curious about: Does Varys have a hand in this "pardon"? Barristan delivers the news that "Robert Baratheon" has pardoned him. But why would this be engineered by Tywin if there is potential that he (Jorah) can do the Lannisters harm? If not, what is Varys' aim? Unless I missed something, it seems that nobody in Dany's inner circle knows current events at the Red Keep. And as far as the small council are concerned, Mormont is no longer useful because they've given him up as "fully devoted" to the Targaryen princess. So ... who really sent the pardon ... and when?
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I thought that earlier this season there was a scene where the small council talked about Daenerys and her dragons, and decided that something must be done. I remember Varys saying that he had some strings he could pull, or something like that. My thought was that Varys made up the pardon as a forgery and sent it to Barristan Selmy, as a way to create a rift in Dany's council, and separate her from one of her top advisors.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I thought that earlier this season there was a scene where the small council talked about Daenerys and her dragons, and decided that something must be done. I remember Varys saying that he had some strings he could pull, or something like that. My thought was that Varys made up the pardon as a forgery and sent it to Barristan Selmy, as a way to create a rift in Dany's council, and separate her from one of her top advisors.
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Makes a lot of sense. I suppose now it comes to it, even the Lannisters would consider Ser Jorah less of a threat than a united Daenerys / Selmy / Mormont front continuing. So Tywin could have pressed the seal. Small council already knows there's a little doubling back going on with Daenerys and this would further disrupt things, as she loses the trusted general.
 
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I'll have to re-read the chapter in question, as well as perhaps bring this question to the Westeros.org forums, but actually seeing the fight between The Red Viper v. The Mountain made me think of something:

I still really like the symbolism of Oberyn's search for vengeance coming to a head and being suddenly taken away by being careless in his rage. But now having watched it unfold on screen more or less how it was described in the books is making me feel like it really is a stretch that Oberyn would've been that careless around Ser Gregor. It's making me feel like how the fight ended was the result of the kind of stupidity normally reserved for horror movies (and the Starks).
 
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My name is Oberyn Martell. You killed my sister. Prepare to die.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
I'll have to re-read the chapter in question, as well as perhaps bring this question to the Westeros.org forums, but actually seeing the fight between The Red Viper v. The Mountain made me think of something:

I still really like the symbolism of Oberyn's search for vengeance coming to a head and being suddenly taken away by being careless in his rage. But now having watched it unfold on screen more or less how it was described in the books is making me feel like it really is a stretch that Oberyn would've been that careless around Ser Gregor. It's making me feel like how the fight ended was the result of the kind of stupidity normally reserved for horror movies (and the Starks).
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The desire for vengeance can often cloud your better judgement. Which is why, if you get them down, you make sure they stay down.
 
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I don't know if Tyrion survives or dies in the next episode or two, but if he dies this show will become much less interesting. At the same time, he really hasn't received all that much screen time this season, though his plot line has fueled much of the action.
 
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St. Clown said:
I don't know if Tyrion survives or dies in the next episode or two, but if he dies this show will become much less interesting. At the same time, he really hasn't received all that much screen time this season, though his plot line has fueled much of the action.
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Regardless of what happens to Tyrion in the next few episodes, it's sure to be memorable.
 
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Finally caught up. Managed to avoid spoilers for the battle between The Mountain and Oberyn. I knew Oberyn was toast right from when he did all the flashy crap at the beginning, and REALLY knew it when he didn't just kill him when he got him down. I figured he would die before the episode started, but that was just because I kind of liked him. How The Hound has made it this long is beyond me. :D
 
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Look Samwise! Your oliphaunts!
 
St. Clown said:
So I wasn't the only one thinking that, then.
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Shout outs abound! Last week was clearly a reference to "Princess Bride" and tonight to LOTR. There was another shout out to PB tonight, when one of the characters said, "Giants? I don't think they exist." Just like rodents of unusual size...
 
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The music during this episode was pretty much the Inception soundtrack. Didn't bother me though, it was time for a big battle episode.
 
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It really does seem like a waste of several good Night's Watch characters that should still be alive from the books.

All because the show has never really bothered to extend the cast in that setting. So now we know, what... three characters in the Nights Watch?
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
It really does seem like a waste of several good Night's Watch characters that should still be alive from the books.

All because the show has never really bothered to extend the cast in that setting. So now we know, what... three characters in the Nights Watch?
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I think it was unavoidable. They had to kill off characters that we know from the TV show, it wouldn't have had any impact on the audience if they didn't. And they didn't have the time to previously expand on other characters there...they would have had to cut some other storyline or add more episodes. I just chalk it up to a necessary evil that happens when you go from a written format to on-screen.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I think it was unavoidable. They had to kill off characters that we know from the TV show, it wouldn't have had any impact on the audience if they didn't. And they didn't have the time to previously expand on other characters there...they would have had to cut some other storyline or add more episodes. I just chalk it up to a necessary evil that happens when you go from a written format to on-screen.
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More the time restrictions of the 10-episode season than the on-screen medium itself, but it's a fair point. I will still counter that we've spent so little time at the wall (or beyond it) in the past two seasons that it does make one wonder why there wasn't more time devoted to this storyline. The only way to give last night's episode any stakes was to kill off characters, or just coast off of how impressive the battle was, but since the Night's Watch storyline is so sparsely developed we don't have much left up there. For now.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
More the time restrictions of the 10-episode season than the on-screen medium itself, but it's a fair point. I will still counter that we've spent so little time at the wall (or beyond it) in the past two seasons that it does make one wonder why there wasn't more time devoted to this storyline. The only way to give last night's episode any stakes was to kill off characters, or just coast off of how impressive the battle was, but since the Night's Watch storyline is so sparsely developed we don't have much left up there. For now.
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Speaking of which: no Stannis up there? Will that be next week, in addition to everything else? Or will it just not happen?(end spoilers)
 
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