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Future Frozen Four sites

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http://www.grandforksherald.com/spo...er-regional-bids-dwindles-und-takes-advantage

Found this interesting:

While hosting regionals is a profitable venture for UND, it isn't a significant amount of money, Faison said. Hosting Frozen Fours can be more profitable.

The men's hockey tournament is one of the few NCAA events that turns a profit.

Of the 90 events the NCAA hosts, the only ones that make money are Division I men's hockey, men's basketball, men's lacrosse, baseball and wrestling.
 
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Well I think the rules need to change and the NCAA needs to expect less $ to allow other venues to host.

Here is my breakdown of big enough neutral venues:
CO: Denver (too big), Loveland
ND: Fargo
SD: Sioux Falls, Rapid City
NE: Omaha, Lincoln, Kearney
MN: St Paul (too big), Theif River Falls
IA: Sioux City, Waterloo, Des Moines, Dubuque, Cedar Rapids
WI: Madison, Green Bay, Milwaukee
MO: St Louis (too big), Independence
IL: Moline, Rockford, Rosemont, Bloomington
MI: Kalamazoo, Muskegon, Grand Rapids, Plymouth, Saginaw, Flint, Detroit (too big)
OH: Cleveland (too big), Cincinnati, Toledo, Columbus (too big), Youngstown
IN: Indianapolis, Fort Wayne
PA (Apparently): Johnstown, Reading, Allentown, Hershey, Wilke-Barre
WV: Wheeling

Did I miss anything? Now how many of those are near a university?

The Verizon Center in Mankato holds about 6,000 for Hockey which would be appropriate given the attendance at the regionals the last few years.
 
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The Verizon Center in Mankato holds about 6,000 for Hockey which would be appropriate given the attendance at the regionals the last few years.

except that is the home rink of Minnesota State...I'm not including those rinks...I realize now after some research that quite a few of the rinks I listed are too small to meet the NCAA requirement of a capacity of 5000 and room for media of 75.
 
Re: Future Frozen Four sites

Well I think the rules need to change and the NCAA needs to expect less $ to allow other venues to host.

Here is my breakdown of neutral venues:
CO: Denver, Loveland
ND: Fargo
SD: Sioux Falls, Rapid City
NE: Omaha, <strike>Ralston</strike>, Lincoln, <strike>Kearney</strike>
MN: St Paul, <strike>Theif River Falls</strike>, Minneapolis
IA: Sioux City, <strike>Waterloo</strike>, Des Moines, <strike>Urbandale</strike>, <strike>Dubuque</strike>, <strike>Cedar Rapids</strike>
WI: Madison, Green Bay, Milwaukee, Milwaukee
MO: St Louis, Independence
IL: Moline, Rockford, Rosemont, Bloomington, Chicago
MI: Kalamazoo, Muskegon, Grand Rapids, <strike>Plymouth</strike>, Saginaw, <strike>Flint</strike>, Detroit
OH: Cleveland, Cincinnati, Toledo, Columbus, Youngstown
IN: Indianapolis, Fort Wayne
PA (Apparently): <strike>Johnstown</strike>, Reading, Allentown, Hershey, Wilke-Barre, Erie, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia
WV: Wheeling

Did I miss anything? Now how many of those are near a university?

EDITS: Updated to reflect building I previously listed that are below the 5000 capacity requirement (struck through) and changed the "too big" arenas to underlined.

updated...
 
Re: Future Frozen Four sites

Well I think the rules need to change and the NCAA needs to expect less $ to allow other venues to host.

Here is my breakdown of neutral venues:
CO: Denver, Loveland
ND: Fargo
SD: Sioux Falls, Rapid City
NE: Omaha, <strike>Ralston</strike>, Lincoln, <strike>Kearney</strike>
MN: St Paul, <strike>Theif River Falls</strike>, Minneapolis
IA: Sioux City, <strike>Waterloo</strike>, Des Moines, <strike>Urbandale</strike>, <strike>Dubuque</strike>, <strike>Cedar Rapids</strike>
WI: Madison, Green Bay, Milwaukee, Milwaukee
MO: St Louis, Independence
IL: Moline, Rockford, Rosemont, Bloomington, Chicago
MI: Kalamazoo, Muskegon, Grand Rapids, <strike>Plymouth</strike>, Saginaw, <strike>Flint</strike>, Detroit
OH: Cleveland, Cincinnati, Toledo, Columbus, Youngstown
IN: Indianapolis, Fort Wayne
PA (Apparently): <strike>Johnstown</strike>, Reading, Allentown, Hershey, Wilke-Barre, Erie, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia
WV: Wheeling

Did I miss anything? Now how many of those are near a university?

EDITS: Updated to reflect building I previously listed that are below the 5000 capacity requirement (struck through) and changed the "too big" arenas to underlined.

It goes beyond arena capacity, the surrounding area has to have a sufficient number of hotel rooms for three or four teams and coaches that have meeting rooms and video capabilities, and food facilities. So in essence these have to be just about full-service hotels. There also have to be rooms for TV crew, visiting media, referees, and NCAA officials as well. So you can't throw everyone in the local Super 8. There has to be four locker rooms on site, there has to be sufficient A/V hookups and camera angles in the facility, sufficient replay camera setups, etc. I have no idea how many home sites out west do or don't meet that criteria, but it's not as simple as have X number of seats. Going on campus would likely force some schools to buck up and give their facilities necessary upgrades to remain eligible to host. I suppose a solution to the facility problem could be if the 1 seed in a region doesn't have sufficient capability to host, the 2 seed would get it.
 
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It goes beyond arena capacity, the surrounding area has to have a sufficient number of hotel rooms for three or four teams and coaches that have meeting rooms and video capabilities, and food facilities. So in essence these have to be just about full-service hotels. There also have to be rooms for TV crew, visiting media, referees, and NCAA officials as well. So you can't throw everyone in the local Super 8. There has to be four locker rooms on site, there has to be sufficient A/V hookups and camera angles in the facility, sufficient replay camera setups, etc. I have no idea how many home sites out west do or don't meet that criteria, but it's not as simple as have X number of seats. Going on campus would likely force some schools to buck up and give their facilities necessary upgrades to remain eligible to host. I suppose a solution to the facility problem could be if the 1 seed in a region doesn't have sufficient capability to host, the 2 seed would get it.

I know there is more to it than that...but the capacity of the arena is the only one that is really easy enough to look up when I get bored at work ;) But you have to be honest with yourself that this is a pretty short list and doesn't even take into account availability. Green Bay would be a good venue for MTU to host at and they have in the past but it didn't go well and the Resch Center now does the WIAA Girl's State Tournament there on what is typically Regionals weekend.
 
http://www.grandforksherald.com/spo...er-regional-bids-dwindles-und-takes-advantage

Found this interesting:

While hosting regionals is a profitable venture for UND, it isn't a significant amount of money, Faison said. Hosting Frozen Fours can be more profitable.

The men's hockey tournament is one of the few NCAA events that turns a profit.

Of the 90 events the NCAA hosts, the only ones that make money are Division I men's hockey, men's basketball, men's lacrosse, baseball and wrestling.

I thought swimming was also in that category. Or, at least used to be.
 
updated...

There's an arena up in broomfield, CO that used to have an echl team, seats about 8500 IIRC. Not sure if they lay ice though. It's fairly new, and has decent amenities.

There's also the big arena in KC, but way too big for a regional.

Edit: there's also the Denver Coliseum, but that place is a fkn dump. It did have a CHL team for a few years recently.

r
 
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SG: Milwaukee actually does have an appropriate sized arena. The Admirals currently play in a (granted: old) building that seats about 9,000.
 
There's an arena up in broomfield, CO that used to have an echl team, seats about 8500 IIRC. Not sure if they lay ice though. It's fairly new, and has decent amenities.

There's also the big arena in KC, but way too big for a regional.

Edit: there's also the Denver Coliseum, but that place is a fkn dump. It did have a CHL team for a few years recently.

r
i guess I could have listed both but I went with Independence, MO bc it's appropriate size in great KC.
SG: Milwaukee actually does have an appropriate sized arena. The Admirals currently play in a (granted: old) building that seats about 9,000.
its listed twice, for the NBA arena and the "new" admirals arena.
 
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Los Angeles has never hosted the FF.
Anaheim did. Despite the fact that their baseball team sold out and named themselves after another city, ask anyone there and nearly all of them will tell you they live in Anaheim, not in a suburb of LA. They're not even in the same county, for that matter.

lol whatever. Los Angeles metropolitan area has not hosted since 1999. Thanks for the correction.
 
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:eek::eek::eek:

First limey, then shrader and now you coming in from the cold to post?????? Hope all is well!! Come back to the BU thread sometime. :)

Thanks for the shoutout! Looked for you at United Center, as the seat you were trying to sell (207, Row 2?) was near mine (206, Row 1). Don't think you were sitting there, though? Hope all is well with you, too:)

Sorry to hijack thread, all.
 
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