AFTER the election - and then maybe never. Granny's savings account which 15 years ago was yielding 4% is now treading water and granny is eating into savings to survive.
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Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
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AFTER the election - and then maybe never. Granny's savings account which 15 years ago was yielding 4% is now treading water and granny is eating into savings to survive.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
I thought you had previously mentioned that she was conservative. Huh.
I thought you had previously mentioned that she was conservative. Huh.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
I don't think election will play into this. Yellen's maker isn't running for re-election, and whichever Dem candidate wins the general election, the Republican candidate will see that his electoral math beats the general election winner's and not worry about what a Dem appointed Fed Chair did or didn't do prior to the election.
In seriousness, I don't think the election will play into it. Yellen will have another two years before she can be re-upped or replaced, and she'll be graded more on her handling of the economy than how this coming election plays out.
I don't think election will play into this. Yellen's maker isn't running for re-election, and whichever Dem candidate wins the general election, the Republican candidate will see that his electoral math beats the general election winner's and not worry about what a Dem appointed Fed Chair did or didn't do prior to the election.
In seriousness, I don't think the election will play into it. Yellen will have another two years before she can be re-upped or replaced, and she'll be graded more on her handling of the economy than how this coming election plays out.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
Compared to him, she likely is.
Compared to him, she likely is.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
Dr. Mrs. is actually just a tad farther out on the lefty limb than I. She favors a dull blade on the guillotine for the banksters.
Compared to him, she likely is.
Dr. Mrs. is actually just a tad farther out on the lefty limb than I. She favors a dull blade on the guillotine for the banksters.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
Those folks were already unhappy and seeking out an extra-marital affair anyway, and they would have had one whether they paid for it or not. So what's your point, other than confirming that you're a sanctimonious putz grasping at straws?
Those folks were already unhappy and seeking out an extra-marital affair anyway, and they would have had one whether they paid for it or not. So what's your point, other than confirming that you're a sanctimonious putz grasping at straws?
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
Source?
Legal pot is good. Gay marriage is good. And many Americans agree.
But most of the USCHO group that have been negative towards the concept of Christianity...Kep, joe, Fade, Cloud...is just about the whole group in support of opening up prostitution regardless of how many homes it destroys. America has overwhelmingly decided against this and extremists will have no say in the matter...but this is more evidence that a lack of morals is a common theme among skeptics.
Source?
Legal pot is good. Gay marriage is good. And many Americans agree.
But most of the USCHO group that have been negative towards the concept of Christianity...Kep, joe, Fade, Cloud...is just about the whole group in support of opening up prostitution regardless of how many homes it destroys. America has overwhelmingly decided against this and extremists will have no say in the matter...but this is more evidence that a lack of morals is a common theme among skeptics.
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
If you're a married guy with a family and you get caught with a prostitute, right now you face 2 penalties: a slap on the wrist from the law and hell to pay at home. If you remove the legal penalty, I just can't believe there would be a whole lot of married guys who say, "oh, well NOW I'll go for it." The consequences on the home front are so much worse than the legal ones that I don't think you really have a case when you suggest that legalizing prostitution is going to cause a horde of married guys to rush out and get some.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
Yeah, joecct, a confirmed Catholic, is a skeptic who is negative towards Christianity.
Deflect and claim Christian persecution. All too typical from you. And while you're hollering about sources, would you care to cite a source on those oh-so-many "broken home" stats that we can chalk up to prostitution? I'm going to guess you can't, since prostitution is part of the underground economy, after all.
I expect that next you'll be going for the ad hominem deflection regarding my alma mater. Because it's really all you've got left.
Yeah, joecct, a confirmed Catholic, is a skeptic who is negative towards Christianity.
Deflect and claim Christian persecution. All too typical from you. And while you're hollering about sources, would you care to cite a source on those oh-so-many "broken home" stats that we can chalk up to prostitution? I'm going to guess you can't, since prostitution is part of the underground economy, after all.
I expect that next you'll be going for the ad hominem deflection regarding my alma mater. Because it's really all you've got left.
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For some its the punishment you point out, for many its not. For many its the availability, others the difficulty to access, others the potential disease, others the potential danger, others the illegal nature itself, and others the public shame. Making it legal, eliminates all those barriers. And for some, making it legal...also makes it acceptable.
For some its the punishment you point out, for many its not. For many its the availability, others the difficulty to access, others the potential disease, others the potential danger, others the illegal nature itself, and others the public shame. Making it legal, eliminates all those barriers. And for some, making it legal...also makes it acceptable.
Totally disagree that legalization would change any of those things. It's already available and easy to access, and there would still be danger of disease and there would definitely still be public shame. Legalization simply acknowledges the reality that already exists - it doen't change or encourage it.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
You, sir, are an ignorant fool. Off you go to Neverland.
You, sir, are an ignorant fool. Off you go to Neverland.
unofan
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Oh go jump in a river, you sanctimonious putz.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
You bigotry couched in Christianity and the need to set moral boundaries for the savages, it reminds me heavily of how Jim Crow laws came into existence.
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Far be it for me to start a morals crusade out here, but I think legalization advocates miss something important, which is I don't want to raise my kids next door to a whore house. Now that's an extreme example but if my neighbors either start selling themselves, whether they're male or female, or selling drugs, I have no recourse but to move which is absurd. It reminds me of how casino advocates always love the idea until a proposal comes to their leafy suburb, and then suddenly they're horrified at the prospect.
Furthermore, the threat of criminal penalties HAS to be a deterrent or why have laws? People still get murdered. Should we legalize that? People speed, but did you ever notice how they slow down when they see a statie up ahead on the highway?
I'm not basing any of this in religious terms, but you have to consider what you're signing up for here. If a bunch of stoners want to turn your neighborhood park into hempfest every afternoon, and you've legalized that, don't complain if you and your kids have to take a nice strong whiff every time you walk by. Hell, you might as well join them!
PS - I am in no way against medical marijuana. More about letting people get stoned wherever and whenever they please.
Far be it for me to start a morals crusade out here, but I think legalization advocates miss something important, which is I don't want to raise my kids next door to a whore house. Now that's an extreme example but if my neighbors either start selling themselves, whether they're male or female, or selling drugs, I have no recourse but to move which is absurd. It reminds me of how casino advocates always love the idea until a proposal comes to their leafy suburb, and then suddenly they're horrified at the prospect.
Furthermore, the threat of criminal penalties HAS to be a deterrent or why have laws? People still get murdered. Should we legalize that? People speed, but did you ever notice how they slow down when they see a statie up ahead on the highway?
I'm not basing any of this in religious terms, but you have to consider what you're signing up for here. If a bunch of stoners want to turn your neighborhood park into hempfest every afternoon, and you've legalized that, don't complain if you and your kids have to take a nice strong whiff every time you walk by. Hell, you might as well join them!
PS - I am in no way against medical marijuana. More about letting people get stoned wherever and whenever they please.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
This is perilously close to a Rodney Dangerfield joke:
But to respond to your concern: zoning. You don't want to raise you kids next to a tattoo parlor, either.
This is perilously close to a Rodney Dangerfield joke:
But to respond to your concern: zoning. You don't want to raise you kids next to a tattoo parlor, either.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
After legalization, cities and towns can establish zoning restrictions, keeping the brothels out of neighborhoods and away from schools. MN has done that with its medical marijuana dispensaries - allowing only eight locations and they had to be vetted by the state with input by the local authorities.
There's a difference in prostitution and murder - one's a crime committed against another person, harming that other person (and go down the list of violations against another person). Prostitutes and johns are charged for crimes, when committed between two fully consenting adults, harms nobody.Far be it for me to start a morals crusade out here, but I think legalization advocates miss something important, which is I don't want to raise my kids next door to a whore house. Now that's an extreme example but if my neighbors either start selling themselves, whether they're male or female, or selling drugs, I have no recourse but to move which is absurd. It reminds me of how casino advocates always love the idea until a proposal comes to their leafy suburb, and then suddenly they're horrified at the prospect.
Furthermore, the threat of criminal penalties HAS to be a deterrent or why have laws? People still get murdered. Should we legalize that? People speed, but did you ever notice how they slow down when they see a statie up ahead on the highway?
I'm not basing any of this in religious terms, but you have to consider what you're signing up for here. If a bunch of stoners want to turn your neighborhood park into hempfest every afternoon, and you've legalized that, don't complain if you and your kids have to take a nice strong whiff every time you walk by. Hell, you might as well join them!
PS - I am in no way against medical marijuana. More about letting people get stoned wherever and whenever they please.
After legalization, cities and towns can establish zoning restrictions, keeping the brothels out of neighborhoods and away from schools. MN has done that with its medical marijuana dispensaries - allowing only eight locations and they had to be vetted by the state with input by the local authorities.
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
Rover has some valid concerns, and I am definitely not a "LEAGALIZE NOW!!!" zealot. I just think the current laws are ineffective, impractical and are usually asymmetrically applied to punish the woman, who is the closest thing to a victim of the "crime" in the first place.
"Won't someone think of the children" is not a very sound argument for keeping the status quo.
Rover has some valid concerns, and I am definitely not a "LEAGALIZE NOW!!!" zealot. I just think the current laws are ineffective, impractical and are usually asymmetrically applied to punish the woman, who is the closest thing to a victim of the "crime" in the first place.
"Won't someone think of the children" is not a very sound argument for keeping the status quo.
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Sorry but that's not going to work. People don't mind running afoul of the law to engage in prostitution or drug dealing, but that citation from the zoning board of appeals is going to keep everybody honest?
That's absurd. Its like when people say legalizing drugs will reduce violence. Sure! The people in that business now are going to put aside their weapons and take their turf wars to the Better Business Bureau.
All of these outcomes are based in fantasyland. If you want to change the penalties, as in making the solicitors of prostitution pay a heavier penalty than the providers, I'm on board with that. Really, if you're pathetic enough to need to pay for sex, you get what you deserve. If you want to change drug laws so that you don't get an immediate trip to jail for a first time pot offense, I'm okay with that too. But this sunshine and lollipops take on what would happen under widespread legalization is naive IMHO.
I'll counter your funny Dangerfield joke with an Al Bundy one when he and Peg were in a bar...
Peg: "Al, why does the graffiti on the door say 'for a good time call' and then it has our home phone number on it?"
Al: "I don't know. I've never had a good time there."
Sorry but that's not going to work. People don't mind running afoul of the law to engage in prostitution or drug dealing, but that citation from the zoning board of appeals is going to keep everybody honest?
That's absurd. Its like when people say legalizing drugs will reduce violence. Sure! The people in that business now are going to put aside their weapons and take their turf wars to the Better Business Bureau. All of these outcomes are based in fantasyland. If you want to change the penalties, as in making the solicitors of prostitution pay a heavier penalty than the providers, I'm on board with that. Really, if you're pathetic enough to need to pay for sex, you get what you deserve. If you want to change drug laws so that you don't get an immediate trip to jail for a first time pot offense, I'm okay with that too. But this sunshine and lollipops take on what would happen under widespread legalization is naive IMHO.
I'll counter your funny Dangerfield joke with an Al Bundy one when he and Peg were in a bar...
Peg: "Al, why does the graffiti on the door say 'for a good time call' and then it has our home phone number on it?"
Al: "I don't know. I've never had a good time there."
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