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Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
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Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
Doesn't mean someone in your extended family won't. If they smoke pot, its no big deal...its safer than alcohol (which makes it a bad analogy). If you're daughter's husband hooks up with a prostitute on a weekly basis because 'it's acceptable', it will likely destroy their immediate family. And if its not yours, its somebody else's family. Do folks not care about the implications for other families?
Doesn't mean someone in your extended family won't. If they smoke pot, its no big deal...its safer than alcohol (which makes it a bad analogy). If you're daughter's husband hooks up with a prostitute on a weekly basis because 'it's acceptable', it will likely destroy their immediate family. And if its not yours, its somebody else's family. Do folks not care about the implications for other families?
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
I have friends whose bachelor parties ended up at a strip club, their future wives knew and didn't care. I have other friends whose future wives have said they are absolutely off limits and the groom respected the boundary. It's not up to Congress to set those boundaries on a couple. It's on the married couple to come to agreements and act as adults. If one side or the other can't abide by the agreements they both made before hand, then it's perhaps for the best that the relationship dissolves as you're looking at a couple where they want different things from the arrangement.
There are couples out there that attend swinger parties, and there are couples that have generally "open" relationships. Meanwhile other couples might consider it an end to the marriage if one or the other gave a peck on the cheek to someone else. Don't you think these sorts of things would be discussed between the two people getting married, what's acceptable and what's not?
I have friends whose bachelor parties ended up at a strip club, their future wives knew and didn't care. I have other friends whose future wives have said they are absolutely off limits and the groom respected the boundary. It's not up to Congress to set those boundaries on a couple. It's on the married couple to come to agreements and act as adults. If one side or the other can't abide by the agreements they both made before hand, then it's perhaps for the best that the relationship dissolves as you're looking at a couple where they want different things from the arrangement.
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Society is full of freedoms. But it has a few protections to protect against the most dangerous avenues leading to damaging outcomes. Pot doesn't belong in this category because its not dangerous and will change. Due to the implications for families/children, prostitution is dangerousand will not change. Sorry, but your opinion on this is a societal outlier as it should be.
Supporter of legal heroin?
Society is full of freedoms. But it has a few protections to protect against the most dangerous avenues leading to damaging outcomes. Pot doesn't belong in this category because its not dangerous and will change. Due to the implications for families/children, prostitution is dangerousand will not change. Sorry, but your opinion on this is a societal outlier as it should be.
Supporter of legal heroin?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
Many families think alcohol is immoral. If one of those people drinks they will likely destroy their immediate family. Therefore, alcohol should be illegal.
No. That's not how free societies work. There are plenty of authoritarian societies where that logic holds, but not here.
Many families think alcohol is immoral. If one of those people drinks they will likely destroy their immediate family. Therefore, alcohol should be illegal.
No. That's not how free societies work. There are plenty of authoritarian societies where that logic holds, but not here.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
No, but I'll buzz the word around if you have some to sell.
No, but I'll buzz the word around if you have some to sell.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
I may very well be a societal outlier on this subject, but that doesn't make me wrong. I might just be one of the few who are right.
What do you think the stats for broken families are in the Netherlands, Germany and Switzerland (much of Western Europe, actually)? What about Nevada?
There are so many legal things in the world that are a danger to families, why do people choose to single out things like prostitution and not the automobile? A parent being killed by a drunk driver is much more harmful to the family than prostitution.
I may very well be a societal outlier on this subject, but that doesn't make me wrong. I might just be one of the few who are right.
What do you think the stats for broken families are in the Netherlands, Germany and Switzerland (much of Western Europe, actually)? What about Nevada?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
I think the drive to keep prostitution criminal comes from 3 sources:
1. Religion (obviously). It's another attempt to legislate a religious taboo, like old laws against homosexuality.
2. Class-bias. Prostitution is a lower class social ill. Well bred girls don't become hookers (they sell their sexuality through marriage) and well bred boys don't become johns (they have mistresses). It is always easier to disproportionately lower the boom on lower class social ills; e.g.: boardroom coke vs. ghetto crack.
3. Sexual ownership. Many people are still trapped in a mental worldview where women who own their sexuality are a threat. Legalizing prostitution would take it out of the shadows and allow the sex workers to ply their trade without pimps, paying off the cops, and other middle men.
It gets weird quickly because the 3's make common cause with type of bluenose feminist who wants to ban porn and thinks all penetration is rape.
For the millionth time: just because you want something to be legal doesn't mean you approve of it. In fact one of the hallmarks of a free society is that you don't equate social disapproval with the right to criminalize.
I think the drive to keep prostitution criminal comes from 3 sources:
1. Religion (obviously). It's another attempt to legislate a religious taboo, like old laws against homosexuality.
2. Class-bias. Prostitution is a lower class social ill. Well bred girls don't become hookers (they sell their sexuality through marriage) and well bred boys don't become johns (they have mistresses). It is always easier to disproportionately lower the boom on lower class social ills; e.g.: boardroom coke vs. ghetto crack.
3. Sexual ownership. Many people are still trapped in a mental worldview where women who own their sexuality are a threat. Legalizing prostitution would take it out of the shadows and allow the sex workers to ply their trade without pimps, paying off the cops, and other middle men.
It gets weird quickly because the 3's make common cause with type of bluenose feminist who wants to ban porn and thinks all penetration is rape.
For the millionth time: just because you want something to be legal doesn't mean you approve of it. In fact one of the hallmarks of a free society is that you don't equate social disapproval with the right to criminalize.
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If 1% of automobile drivers killed someone, it would be illegal. A single person frequenting prostitution would have a greater than 1% chance of destroying a family. Would Kepler be among those that would continue to look away?
Drunk driving is illegal for that reason. Do you think it should be legal?
Europe has very different culture than the US...but Nevada has some of the highest divorce rates in the country.
If 1% of automobile drivers killed someone, it would be illegal. A single person frequenting prostitution would have a greater than 1% chance of destroying a family. Would Kepler be among those that would continue to look away?
Drunk driving is illegal for that reason. Do you think it should be legal?
Europe has very different culture than the US...but Nevada has some of the highest divorce rates in the country.
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Has anyone claimed that? Then no need to repeat it.
Has anyone claimed that? Then no need to repeat it.
Almington
Blood Boiling with Rage and Hate
Every vice and addiction can destroy families, would you recommend that all of those be illegal?
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
Mile high club??
@WTOP: 3 Air marshals from Chicago implicated in prostitute scandal http://bit.ly/1F4PWxA
Mile high club??
@WTOP: 3 Air marshals from Chicago implicated in prostitute scandal http://bit.ly/1F4PWxA
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
Dr. Mrs. Kepler used to have the unenviable task of providing TSA briefings to Congress whenever something like this happened. She was SO HAPPY that she moved on before this happened, but she knows the poor guy who is going to have to brief it.
Really smart using their government-issued phone to film it. Air marshalls: guys who the FBI think are a-holes.
Dr. Mrs. Kepler used to have the unenviable task of providing TSA briefings to Congress whenever something like this happened. She was SO HAPPY that she moved on before this happened, but she knows the poor guy who is going to have to brief it.
Really smart using their government-issued phone to film it. Air marshalls: guys who the FBI think are a-holes.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
Yeah, another thing you don't get to do is decide on the legitimacy of other posts.
Yeah, another thing you don't get to do is decide on the legitimacy of other posts.
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
I would have no tolerance of my wife frequenting a prostitute. What would your tolerance be? Would it be the same all of these other currently legal vices?
I would have no tolerance of my wife frequenting a prostitute. What would your tolerance be? Would it be the same all of these other currently legal vices?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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Voting Republican would be a deal breaker, for starters. It's not so much because of the vote, but what it would indicate about her character.
Voting Republican would be a deal breaker, for starters. It's not so much because of the vote, but what it would indicate about her character.
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
The above post just invoked between three and five logical fallacies.
Does she know you'd look the other way?
Yeah, another thing you don't get to do is decide on the legitimacy of other posts.
The above post just invoked between three and five logical fallacies.
Does she know you'd look the other way?
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
Have you not been paying attention? Me! I won't ever use a prostitute, and would advise against it. That doesn't mean it should be illegal. I'm just not burying my head in the sand to pretend it's something that doesn't happen simply because it's illegal.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
I might look the other way on Libertarian, though I'd advise her to maybe see a doctor.
Does she know you'd look the other way?
I might look the other way on Libertarian, though I'd advise her to maybe see a doctor.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Frayed Ends: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 3.0
As something more pertinent to the aim of this thread, the Fed left interest rates as-is today. Two more sessions will make it seven full years since the Fed Funds rate will have been ostensibly 0%. They want higher inflation, lower unemployment rates (Phillips Curve stuff, folks), and more stability overseas - especially China - before raising them. With all of those pieces they want to see, it'll take a solid year before I'd expect the rates to go up again.
GDP was revised from a forecast 2.1% annual growth down to 1.9% annual growth. We're crawling along, not quite on our feet.
As something more pertinent to the aim of this thread, the Fed left interest rates as-is today. Two more sessions will make it seven full years since the Fed Funds rate will have been ostensibly 0%. They want higher inflation, lower unemployment rates (Phillips Curve stuff, folks), and more stability overseas - especially China - before raising them. With all of those pieces they want to see, it'll take a solid year before I'd expect the rates to go up again.
GDP was revised from a forecast 2.1% annual growth down to 1.9% annual growth. We're crawling along, not quite on our feet.
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