Flyers prospect camp roster

[HarleyMC]

Re: Flyers prospect camp roster

Not from a development camp he didnt. You are wrong. He did so at a rookie camp. Apples to Oranges and simply shows how little you know.

You're confused. The Prospect camp is often referred to as a "Development" camp by many NHL teams. The focus is on entry level development as well as giving NHL teams a close look at players that they have drafted and other top prospects. NHL teams also invite players whom they are considering for a future contract.

The camp focuses on off-ice and on-ice training, and is often led by player development and hockey administration personnel, the coaching staff, strength and conditioning coaches and power-skating specialists.

Generally speaking, the Prospect or Development camp exposes players to the team’s training program, while providing staff with the opportunity to evaluate prospects and prepare a variety of specific off-season training programs. In addition to the important aspect of physical training, prospects also work on sports biochemistry and nutrition, athletic performance, mental skills and team-building activities.

Plenty of NHL players have gone through this type of camp. The collective bargaining agreement between the league and the NHL Players' Association allows a team to bring any player to its summer camp who has not yet completed his first, or "entry level" NHL contract.

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Flyers prospect camp roster

You're confused. The Prospect camp is often referred to as a "Development" camp by many NHL teams. The focus is on entry level development as well as giving NHL teams a close look at players that they have drafted and other top prospects. NHL teams also invite players whom they are considering for a future contract.

The camp focuses on off-ice and on-ice training, and is often led by player development and hockey administration personnel, the coaching staff, strength and conditioning coaches and power-skating specialists.

Generally speaking, the Prospect or Development camp exposes players to the team’s training program, while providing staff with the opportunity to evaluate prospects and prepare a variety of specific off-season training programs. In addition to the important aspect of physical training, prospects also work on sports biochemistry and nutrition, athletic performance, mental skills and team-building activities.

Plenty of NHL players have gone through this type of camp. The collective bargaining agreement between the league and the NHL Players' Association allows a team to bring any player to its summer camp who has not yet completed his first, or "entry level" NHL contract.

Exactly... I am well aware of what they are. Was at one this past week. My point was they are not the same as the camp in early September where virtually every kid there is trying for a spot. The development camp is exactly what you said it is and outside their draft picks and as stated, first contract /AHL types, the rest are fillers. No disrespect but that is reality. Pick a team, go back and look at their last 5 development camp rosters and find me an example of a signing. It is simply a way to keep in touch with their prospects and try and get them on the same page. Even the scrimmages are pretty much no check

 

[HarleyMC]

Re: Flyers prospect camp roster

I noticed in your previous post you are now using the phrase "development camp" in reference to the Flyers "Prospect" Camp. The phrase "Rookie Camp" is rarely used in reference to this type of camp. "Development", "Prospect" or even "Summer" camp are the preferred NHL terms. Your post below indicates confusion on your part.

He is confusing a rookie camp with a de velopment camp
100 pct different
This is a camp for draft picks, ahl players and nhl guys who have played less than a few years
Buffalo for example has Myers, the rookie of the year and leading d scorer as well as Chris Butler, their 2nd d scorer who has played over 100 games
It has nothing to do with tryouts or rookie camp
Only to fill teams and many are favors to scouts and friends

Moreover, if you mean "nhl guys who have played less than a few years" in terms of completing an "entry level" NHL contract that would be correct. There are actually very few NHL players that ever participate in this camp. But as I indicated earlier, the collective bargaining agreement between the league and the NHL Players' Association allows a team to bring any player to its development camp who has NOT yet completed his first, or "entry level" NHL contract. How many times an "entry level" player is eligible for participation in the annual camp is based upon the player's age when signing. Players between the ages of 18 and 21 must sign "entry-level" contracts for their first three NHL seasons, those aged 22-23 for two years, those aged 24 for a single year.

Contrary to your statement, "it has nothing to do with tryouts or rookie camp", there is most definitely an NHL "Tryout" aspect to this camp, although admittedly most NHL coaching staff already have somewhat of a firm understanding of who will be invited to Training Camp in two months.

Head coach Lindy Ruff said, "Understanding how hard we work at all our players to give them a chance to be able to play for the Buffalo Sabres, to understand we develop players we want our players to take part and play in the National Hockey League and play on our team, we take pride in growing our own players."

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The 2010 Flyers "Prospect" camp is loaded with tryouts (12), college, junior and KHL signings (9) and low draft selections (15). These are not arbitrary selections as you seem to indicate with your term "fillers". All "tryout" players are there by virtue of a Tryout Contract. The camp is an important and integral part of the Flyers organization and facilitates the evaluation of "preselected" drafted and undrafted players at an initial developmental stage, with a training emphasis on both on and off ice conditioning. As stated above, players from this camp are often invited to the next step of Training Camp in September.

As far as players in the NHL that came through this type of camp recently, a couple players come to mind in terms of the Flyers: Claude Giroux (2008 camp), James van Riemsdyk (2009 camp).

"It's an education for these kids," explained the Flyers’ director of hockey operations, Chris Pryor. "Actually, it's an education for all of us. We get the chance to evaluate, but also to set them on a path as far as training regiments go. It's a conditioning camp, first and foremost.

"They get to test themselves, based on where they're at now and where they go from here. A lot of these guys we'll have back at our main training camp in September."

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[Hokydad]

Re: Flyers prospect camp roster

I noticed in your previous post you are now using the phrase "development camp" in reference to the Flyers "Prospect" Camp. The phrase "Rookie Camp" is rarely used in reference to this type of camp. "Development", "Prospect" or even "Summer" camp are the preferred NHL terms. Your post below indicates confusion on your part.



Moreover, if you mean "nhl guys who have played less than a few years" in terms of completing an "entry level" NHL contract that would be correct. There are actually very few NHL players that ever participate in this camp. But as I indicated earlier, the collective bargaining agreement between the league and the NHL Players' Association allows a team to bring any player to its development camp who has NOT yet completed his first, or "entry level" NHL contract. How many times an "entry level" player is eligible for participation in the annual camp is based upon the player's age when signing. Players between the ages of 18 and 21 must sign "entry-level" contracts for their first three NHL seasons, those aged 22-23 for two years, those aged 24 for a single year.

Contrary to your statement, "it has nothing to do with tryouts or rookie camp", there is most definitely an NHL "Tryout" aspect to this camp, although admittedly most NHL coaching staff already have somewhat of a firm understanding of who will be invited to Training Camp in two months.

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The 2010 Flyers "Prospect" camp is loaded with tryouts (12), college, junior and KHL signings (9) and low draft selections (15). These are not arbitrary selections as you seem to indicate with your term "fillers". All "tryout" players are there by virtue of a Tryout Contract. The camp is an important and integral part of the Flyers organization and facilitates the evaluation of "preselected" drafted and undrafted players at an initial developmental stage, with a training emphasis on both on and off ice conditioning. As stated above, players from this camp are often invited to the next step of Training Camp in September.

As far as players in the NHL that came through this type of camp recently, a couple players come to mind in terms of the Flyers: Claude Giroux (2008 camp), James van Riemsdyk (2009 camp).




No confusion what so ever. A development camp is a prospect camp. Is run for the sole purpose of introducing the draft picks, old and new, to the program/coaches etc and also to to work a little with the AHL/ECHL kids and younger players.
Tyler Myers, NHL rookie of the year and leading D scorer, Chris Butler, over 100 NHL games, 2nd leading d scorer, Enis, Gerbe etc where all in Buffalos camp. They, exactly like the other teams do, bring in kids to fill the teams so they can have games, fillers. As a rule of thumb. Many are political, etc. To a player none are invited to the camp in September. The college kids do not sign anything but to the contrary, pay 100% of their costs etc.

You are actually using James van Riemsdyk as an example? He was already leaving UNH and was a first round draft pick, bad one there.

The games are almost no check and the atmosphere is that of college orientation, for their draft picks and prospects in the system, not the fillers. They usually dont even get an exit interview/meting.

You have very good facts and points but this camp has nothing to do with tryouts for the big or little team.

Maybe a Stephan Decosta at Anaheims camp would fall into that category but 99.5% of the rest are 1 and done and thank you. The camp in September will be all AHL/ECHL/cut former players, not some 19 year old or 20 year old who didnt get drafted and was brought in to fill a team. They bring those kids in because they are the same age as the rest of the kids.

Look at Flyers dev camp last 10 years and find me a legit example, beside it will be a four leaf clover

 

[Carmine Scarpaglia]

Re: Flyers prospect camp roster

Regardless of what terminology he's using here, clearly Hokydad knows what he's talking about.

You're not going to get a spot on the team here in the summer. If you're just a "filler" you won't be seen in the September preseason camp even. And yes, 1st round picks and other newer draft picks will be at this summer camp (but they'll also be at the big camp in September if they're close to making the club). This camp is to bring in your younger players and get them used to how the organization works, do some conditioning/baseline testing (to check their progress from year to year), and for the organization to evaluate them on the ice some. As Don Sweeney put it for the Boston Bruins camp this week, “You’re not making our hockey club and playing for Claude this week... it’s really about getting an understanding of what the coaches are going to require of them as players at the National Hockey League level."

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Flyers prospect camp roster

Regardless of what terminology he's using here, clearly Hokydad knows what he's talking about.

You're not going to get a spot on the team here in the summer. If you're just a "filler" you won't be seen in the September preseason camp even. And yes, 1st round picks and other newer draft picks will be at this summer camp (but they'll also be at the big camp in September if they're close to making the club). This camp is to bring in your younger players and get them used to how the organization works, do some conditioning/baseline testing (to check their progress from year to year), and for the organization to evaluate them on the ice some. As Don Sweeney put it for the Boston Bruins camp this week, “You’re not making our hockey club and playing for Claude this week... it’s really about getting an understanding of what the coaches are going to require of them as players at the National Hockey League level."

Exactly...

 

[HarleyMC]

Re: Flyers prospect camp roster

Tyler Myers, NHL rookie of the year and leading D scorer, Chris Butler, over 100 NHL games, 2nd leading d scorer, Enis, Gerbe etc where all in Buffalos camp.

Generally speaking, the percentage of NHL players on Prospect camp rosters is always extremely low or nil. By way of contrast, to my knowledge there were no NHL players at the Flyers Prospect camp.

As a rule of thumb. Many are political, etc.

Can you provide a reliable source document to substantiate that statement please?

Pick a team, go back and look at their last 5 development camp rosters and find me an example of a signing.

Since you asked for a signing without any specific criteria, and I cited a couple examples for you. Although drafted, JVR signed after the 2008 Flyers Prospect camp, as did Luca Sbisa, as did Giroux in 2009. The hope for preselected, undrafted players is they get a "look", and hopefully get drafted into the Flyers system in the future.

I never said this was a "tryout" or "training" camp which takes place in two months. However, I think anyone would be hard pressed to provide valid proof that there is no evaluation component to the Prospect camp for undrafted or "tryout" players and they are only capriciously brought in to "fill a team" as you have stated. I'd like to see clear, valid and reliable evidence to substantiate your opinion from a managerial perspective please. Otherwise it is simply your opinion. Every tryout player is there with hopes of landing a spot somewhere in the Flyers organization in the future and NHL staff understand that.

There are actually several examples of free agent "tryouts" who did well at the Prospect camp and were signed afterwards. Some of them had already been to the camp before (not always "1 and done", as you stated). For example, let's look at the Detroit Red Wings Prospect camp for 2009. Brian Lashoff is one example of a free agent that was invited on a "tryout" to the Red Wings Prospect camp and afterwards signed an "entry level" contract. Travis Ehrhardt is another example of a free agent who was signed by Detroit immediately after the Prospect camp last year. Brent Raedeke is another example from last year. Jordan Pearce, goalie from Notre Dame was also a free agent also signed after the Prospect camp last year. It happens.

As we've already stated ad infinitum, the emphasis in these camps is obviously on development, but as the Flyers’ director of hockey operations Chris Pryor stated regarding this years camp there is an evaluation component, "Actually, it's an education for all of us. We get the chance to evaluate, but also to set them on a path as far as training regiments go...".

The college kids do not sign anything...

That is incorrect. For example, Micheal Banwell, signed a "Tryout contract" and will enter his senior season at the University of Maine in the fall.

The games are almost no check...

Ben Holmstrom would disagree with you as he was nailed by Zac Rinaldo with a hard, but questionable hit during the Flyers Sat. scrimmage. That was easily the best hit of the game. He went on to fight Holmstrom two shifts later.

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Flyers prospect camp roster

Generally speaking, the percentage of NHL players on Prospect camp rosters is always extremely low or nil. By way of contrast, to my knowledge there were no NHL players at the Flyers Prospect camp.



Can you provide a reliable source document to substantiate that statement please?



Since you asked for a signing without any specific criteria, and I cited a couple examples for you. Although drafted, JVR signed after the 2008 Flyers Prospect camp, as did Luca Sbisa, as did Giroux in 2009. The hope for preselected, undrafted players is they get a "look", and hopefully get drafted into the Flyers system in the future.

I never said this was a "tryout" or "training" camp which takes place in two months. However, I think anyone would be hard pressed to provide valid proof that there is no evaluation component to the Prospect camp for undrafted or "tryout" players and they are only capriciously brought in to "fill a team" as you have stated. I'd like to see clear, valid and reliable evidence to substantiate your opinion from a managerial perspective please. Otherwise it is simply your opinion. Every tryout player is there with hopes of landing a spot somewhere in the Flyers organization in the future and NHL staff understand that.

There are actually several examples of free agent "tryouts" who did well at the Prospect camp and were signed afterwards. Some of them had already been to the camp before (not always "1 and done", as you stated). For example, let's look at the Detroit Red Wings Prospect camp for 2009. Brian Lashoff is one example of a free agent that was invited on a "tryout" to the Red Wings Prospect camp and afterwards signed an "entry level" contract. Travis Ehrhardt is another example of a free agent who was signed by Detroit immediately after the Prospect camp last year. Brent Raedeke is another example from last year. Jordan Pearce, goalie from Notre Dame was also a free agent also signed after the Prospect camp last year. It happens.

As we've already stated ad infinitum, the emphasis in these camps is obviously on development, but as the Flyers’ director of hockey operations Chris Pryor stated regarding this years camp there is an evaluation component, "Actually, it's an education for all of us. We get the chance to evaluate, but also to set them on a path as far as training regiments go...".



That is incorrect. For example, Micheal Banwell, signed a "Tryout contract" and will enter his senior season at the University of Maine in the fall.



Ben Holmstrom would disagree with you as he was nailed by Zac Rinaldo with a hard, but questionable hit during the Flyers Sat. scrimmage. That was easily the best hit of the game. He went on to fight Holmstrom two shifts later.

Fair enough. I am speaking from my knowledge and from guys I know who run them. I appreciate what you are saying but I don't agree. After the camp I watched last week, they did exit interviews with eevry drafted/prospect/entry level guy. The other invites were thanked as a group in the locker room and left.

If a kid like Stephan Decosta who went to the Ducks camp last week did well, they of course would love to drag him into the system. He is the obvious exception. Every kid that goes to a development camp should go there with a great attuitude and kill himself andf hope to get noticed. You neevr know.

That though is not why they were invited and hy they are there. In September yes, June/July, no.

In fairness i am not going to name a handfull of specific political picks as I have mentioned names in the past and regretted it. No reson for me to drag a hard working kid into it to prove a meaningless point. They are all over the place.

Good info on your part.

But come on, JV is not a legit example. He and philly both wanted hi out of UNG from day one.

 

[Runninwiththedogs]

Re: Flyers prospect camp roster

If a kid like Stephan Decosta who went to the Ducks camp last week did well, they of course would love to drag him into the system. He is the obvious exception. Every kid that goes to a development camp should go there with a great attuitude and kill himself andf hope to get noticed. You neevr know.

You're backpedaling. First they're filler, now they're not? You were vehemently opposed to the idea these kids were there for any other reason besides favors. Now you're backing off.

In fairness i am not going to name a handfull of specific political picks as I have mentioned names in the past and regretted it. No reson for me to drag a hard working kid into it to prove a meaningless point. They are all over the place.

But come on, JV is not a legit example. He and philly both wanted hi out of UNG from day one.

You know, people would take you more seriously if you learned to type. UNG? Come on. ****ing proofread.

You are essentially a more mentally ill, less knowledgeable and less reliable version of Hammy. If you really knew all you said, you'd either spill it or you'd ****.

Who cares if there's politics involved? This isn't some big revelation on your part. There's politics everywhere in hockey, no one's vision is so rose-tinted they think that, while favors are done everywhere else in hockey, these camps are pure and politic-free.

I don't know that anyone was suggesting that a tryout player was going to come in to these camps and walk out with a contract. However, players who do go have a huge advantage over players who don't, and it gets them into the system and sets them up for a potential FA signing later on. But according to you, that's wrong in all cases.

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Flyers prospect camp roster

You're backpedaling. First they're filler, now they're not? You were vehemently opposed to the idea these kids were there for any other reason besides favors. Now you're backing off.



You know, people would take you more seriously if you learned to type. UNG? Come on. ****ing proofread.

You are essentially a more mentally ill, less knowledgeable and less reliable version of Hammy. If you really knew all you said, you'd either spill it or you'd ****.

Who cares if there's politics involved? This isn't some big revelation on your part. There's politics everywhere in hockey, no one's vision is so rose-tinted they think that, while favors are done everywhere else in hockey, these camps are pure and politic-free.

I don't know that anyone was suggesting that a tryout player was going to come in to these camps and walk out with a contract. However, players who do go have a huge advantage over players who don't, and it gets them into the system and sets them up for a potential FA signing later on. But according to you, that's wrong in all cases.

Not talking about 1 kid every four or five years.

They are not "in the system" in any shape fashion or form. Literl, "thank you" in the locker room and off they go. Huge advantage? Not in the slightest. An advantage is being drafted.
Looked last night at 4 or 5 teams, almost 100% 1 and done. The following year, new kids, many with ties. Just like Chicago brought in 4 or 5 UNH kids this year. None of whom will probably be part of org. Maybe Moses might get a ECHL shot down the road but probably elsewhere. Great experience, but not part of system and not a tryout. A filler. Every kid at next camp is there as a tryout. Wait and see how many of the kids off development camp who are not draft picks are not at rookie camp/main camp in sept. Go look at the last 3 or 4 years rosters and see for yourself.

 

[Runninwiththedogs]

Re: Flyers prospect camp roster

Not talking about 1 kid every four or five years.

They are not "in the system" in any shape fashion or form. Literl, "thank you" in the locker room and off they go. Huge advantage? Not in the slightest. An advantage is being drafted.
Looked last night at 4 or 5 teams, almost 100% 1 and done. The following year, new kids, many with ties. Just like Chicago brought in 4 or 5 UNH kids this year. None of whom will probably be part of org. Maybe Moses might get a ECHL shot down the road but probably elsewhere. Great experience, but not part of system and not a tryout. A filler. Every kid at next camp is there as a tryout. Wait and see how many of the kids off development camp who are not draft picks are not at rookie camp/main camp in sept. Go look at the last 3 or 4 years rosters and see for yourself.

I will not respond to any more of your posts until you SPELL CHECK.

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Flyers prospect camp roster

I will not respond to any more of your posts until you SPELL CHECK.

Bummer. I was holding my breath to read another post that is 100% wrong and has zero merit

It is wrong that they are in the system and have a leg up to sign down the road. The ones who will sign are the ones that are playing the best and fill a need, zero to do with previously attending a development camp.

Post a teams previous 10 years of dev camp rosters and look how few, if any went to rookie/main camp and how many came back the following year

Those are the facts and opinions that count

 

[JHG722]

Re: Flyers prospect camp roster

The flyers are chumps anyways

Thanks for the love. Go Orange and Black!

 

[Runninwiththedogs]

Re: Flyers prospect camp roster

Bummer. I was holding my breath to read another post that is 100% wrong and has zero merit

It is wrong that they are in the system and have a leg up to sign down the road. The ones who will sign are the ones that are playing the best and fill a need, zero to do with previously attending a development camp.

Post a teams previous 10 years of dev camp rosters and look how few, if any went to rookie/main camp and how many came back the following year

Those are the facts and opinions that count

Holy mother, you did it.

However, I've repeatedly asked you to post things and you haven't. So, get on that, and I'll get to work on my task when you're through.

 

[Runninwiththedogs]

Re: Flyers prospect camp roster

I wasn't even trying, and I already found a player.

http://wild.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=534341

For [Jarod] Palmer [formerly of Miami], the groundwork was laid last summer for his eventual signing with the Wild. He's participating in his second prospect camp this week and second with the Wild after a solid showing last year.

Additionally, it states in that article Matt Read (Buttmidji) has attended several camps and has had pro offers, but wants (inexplicably) to return to Bermidji.

HAH.

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Flyers prospect camp roster

stop proving my point

well aware that kid bounce rom camp to camp each year with very little if any success, fillers.

of course a senior once in a while is going to hook on with a tea,. He is an UFA.

Thanks again for proving my point

In your world if anyone ever signs as a UFA, they are at a tryout camp

wrong but nice ry

fillers

 

[hockeyguy]

Re: Flyers prospect camp roster

THese prospect camps or developmental camps are used to look at the talent that they just recived throught the draft and anyone that they invite to camp. It is nothing more or less. It is a way to have the new draftees come in and see where they are at on a physical and mental statis. The invitees are guys that are local talents or people who play high level hockey and are getting a chance to be seen by the organization.

A great example is James Marcou from UMASS. He did a camp with the islanders and then with San Jose and now he signed a deal with the Sharks.

The islanders missed the boat on a local long island talent that they had in camp as an invitee and didnt do anything with him. (Just to note, he was the best on the ice, for the entire camp) . You guys need to stop all the BS and who gives a Crap about all the other stuff. This is what these camps are for. That is it and nothing else.....

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Flyers prospect camp roster

THese prospect camps or developmental camps are used to look at the talent that they just recived throught the draft and anyone that they invite to camp. It is nothing more or less. It is a way to have the new draftees come in and see where they are at on a physical and mental statis. The invitees are guys that are local talents or people who play high level hockey and are getting a chance to be seen by the organization.

A great example is James Marcou from UMASS. He did a camp with the islanders and then with San Jose and now he signed a deal with the Sharks.

The islanders missed the boat on a local long island talent that they had in camp as an invitee and didnt do anything with him. (Just to note, he was the best on the ice, for the entire camp) . You guys need to stop all the BS and who gives a Crap about all the other stuff. This is what these camps are for. That is it and nothing else.....

agreed

 

[Runninwiththedogs]

Re: Flyers prospect camp roster

stop proving my point

well aware that kid bounce rom camp to camp each year with very little if any success, fillers.

of course a senior once in a while is going to hook on with a tea,. He is an UFA.

Thanks again for proving my point

In your world if anyone ever signs as a UFA, they are at a tryout camp

wrong but nice ry

fillers

I just provided an example of a player who was

1. Undrafted.
2. Attended a development camp as an invitee.
3. Signed an UFA contract the following spring with the same team.

Your point was not proven.

 

[cross cheque]

Re: Flyers prospect camp roster

Generally speaking, the percentage of NHL players on Prospect camp rosters is always extremely low or nil. By way of contrast, to my knowledge there were no NHL players at the Flyers Prospect camp.



Can you provide a reliable source document to substantiate that statement please?



Since you asked for a signing without any specific criteria, and I cited a couple examples for you. Although drafted, JVR signed after the 2008 Flyers Prospect camp, as did Luca Sbisa, as did Giroux in 2009. The hope for preselected, undrafted players is they get a "look", and hopefully get drafted into the Flyers system in the future.

I never said this was a "tryout" or "training" camp which takes place in two months. However, I think anyone would be hard pressed to provide valid proof that there is no evaluation component to the Prospect camp for undrafted or "tryout" players and they are only capriciously brought in to "fill a team" as you have stated. I'd like to see clear, valid and reliable evidence to substantiate your opinion from a managerial perspective please. Otherwise it is simply your opinion. Every tryout player is there with hopes of landing a spot somewhere in the Flyers organization in the future and NHL staff understand that.

There are actually several examples of free agent "tryouts" who did well at the Prospect camp and were signed afterwards. Some of them had already been to the camp before (not always "1 and done", as you stated). For example, let's look at the Detroit Red Wings Prospect camp for 2009. Brian Lashoff is one example of a free agent that was invited on a "tryout" to the Red Wings Prospect camp and afterwards signed an "entry level" contract. Travis Ehrhardt is another example of a free agent who was signed by Detroit immediately after the Prospect camp last year. Brent Raedeke is another example from last year. Jordan Pearce, goalie from Notre Dame was also a free agent also signed after the Prospect camp last year. It happens.

As we've already stated ad infinitum, the emphasis in these camps is obviously on development, but as the Flyers’ director of hockey operations Chris Pryor stated regarding this years camp there is an evaluation component, "Actually, it's an education for all of us. We get the chance to evaluate, but also to set them on a path as far as training regiments go...".



That is incorrect. For example, Micheal Banwell, signed a "Tryout contract" and will enter his senior season at the University of Maine in the fall.



Ben Holmstrom would disagree with you as he was nailed by Zac Rinaldo with a hard, but questionable hit during the Flyers Sat. scrimmage. That was easily the best hit of the game. He went on to fight Holmstrom two shifts later.

Facts will not interfere with Hokydad's opinion.