Florida vs. Zimmerman - Q.E.D????????

[FreshFish]

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A reporter for Reuters compiled a detailed background profile of George Zimmerman that was reprinted in the NY Post.

a more nuanced portrait of Zimmerman has emerged from a Reuters investigation into Zimmerman's past and a series of incidents in the community in the months preceding the Martin shooting.

Based on extensive interviews with relatives, friends, neighbors, schoolmates and co-workers of Zimmerman in two states, law enforcement officials, and reviews of court documents and police reports, the story sheds new light on the man at the center of one of the most controversial homicide cases in America.

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Though civil rights demonstrators have argued Zimmerman should not have prejudged Martin, one black neighbor of the Zimmermans said recent history should be taken into account.

"Let's talk about the elephant in the room. I'm black, OK?" the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. "There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood," she said. "That's why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin."

Zimmerman comes across in this article more like an overzealous overgrown Boy Scout who got in over his head.

 

[Old Pio]

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A reporter for Reuters compiled a detailed background profile of George Zimmerman that was reprinted in the NY Post.







Zimmerman comes across in this article more like an overzealous overgrown Boy Scout who got in over his head.

It's a far more nuanced portrait than any we've seen.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Thanks for that. Its a mixed report on Zimmerman that in the end evokes sympathy for him. From this report, its looks like a tough situation for everyone. The extent to which that should excuse him for a murder (if that turns out to be the deal) is questionable yet.

Again based on this, it appears its a comination of a difficult situation with local crime with Martin right there, Zimmerman being over his head, and most importantly, a series of bad laws that made the whole thing unfold in this manner that caused this. We can never fix the first two, but IMO the laws should be fixed.

 

[Bob Gray]

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It's a far more nuanced portrait than any we've seen.

Agreed. Too bad most of the media never do anything substantive like this.

 

[Old Pio]

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Thanks for that. Its a mixed report on Zimmerman that in the end evokes sympathy for him. From this report, its looks like a tough situation for everyone. The extent to which that should excuse him for a murder (if that turns out to be the deal) is questionable yet.

Again based on this, it appears its a comination of a difficult situation with local crime with Martin right there, Zimmerman being over his head, and most importantly, a series of bad laws that made the whole thing unfold in this manner that caused this. We can never fix the first two, but IMO the laws should be fixed.

Sorta knocks the pins out from under the core argument of the Revs, His Racistness and the rest of the baying mob: that Zimmerman was motivated by racial animus. Dershowitz calls the indictment "criminal" and "stupid." That about covers it. The two "real" stories here, IMO are the willingness of His Runningness to risk serious racial unrest in order to fire up his black base in a battleground state and the willingness of many in the MSM to once again rush to help him. NBC would be number one on that list.

 

[FreshFish]

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Sorta knocks the pins out from under the core argument of the Revs, His Racistness and the rest of the baying mob: that Zimmerman was motivated by racial animus. Dershowitz calls the indictment "criminal" and "stupid." That about covers it. The two "real" stories here, IMO are the willingness of His Runningness to risk serious racial unrest in order to fire up his black base in a battleground state and the willingness of many in the MSM to once again rush to help him. NBC would be number one on that list.

According to undisclosed sources, the NBC producer who edited out the question from the 911 operator was fired.

 

[Old Pio]

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According to undisclosed sources, the NBC producer who edited out the question from the 911 operator was fired.

Too bad NBC hasn't seen fit to apologize for the fraud it perpetrated on the American public. The station involved is an "O & O" meaning it's owned and operated by the network. And this obscure fall guy was therefore an employee of the network. Based on my 35 years in the news business, an edit like that could not possibly have been an "accident," and somebody in the chain of command had to have known it. I have fired people for far less. It's disgraceful. And more than merely firing some dude, NBC should apologize and promise us it won't happen again. And they should do it during their nightly newscast, not in a GD press release.

 

[Foxton]

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Based on my 35 years in the news business, an edit like that could not possibly have been an "accident," and somebody in the chain of command had to have known it. I have fired people for far less. It's disgraceful. And more than merely firing some dude, NBC should apologize and promise us it won't happen again. And they should do it during their nightly newscast, not in a GD press release.

Thanks, I needed to see a good joke today.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

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Too bad NBC hasn't seen fit to apologize for the fraud it perpetrated on the American public. The station involved is an "O & O" meaning it's owned and operated by the network. And this obscure fall guy was therefore an employee of the network. Based on my 35 years in the news business, an edit like that could not possibly have been an "accident," and somebody in the chain of command had to have known it. I have fired people for far less. It's disgraceful. And more than merely firing some dude, NBC should apologize and promise us it won't happen again. And they should do it during their nightly newscast, not in a GD press release.

You mean like the way the last paragraph in the article describes?

On Tuesday, NBC said its investigation turned up "an error made in the production process that we deeply regret." It promised that "necessary steps" would be taken "to prevent this from happening in the future" and apologized to viewers.

I don't know if the apology was on air or not (I do agree that it should be) but it looks like they have.

 

[Old Pio]

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You mean like the way the last paragraph in the article describes?

I don't know if the apology was on air or not (I do agree that it should be) but it looks like they have.

Not to my knowledge. They should apologize in every news segment in which the fraudulent audio was used. On Today and where ever else. They should also explain in greater detail how this happend. And how it wasn't deliberate, if that is their contention. And they're hoping a quote in a wire service story will get them off the hook. Maybe it will.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Not to my knowledge. They should apologize in every news segment in which the fraudulent audio was used. On Today and where ever else. They should also explain in greater detail how this happend. And how it wasn't deliberate, if that is their contention. And they're hoping a quote in a wire service story will get them off the hook. Maybe it will.

Dude seriously. Fox does this every day. Strike that. Many times every day. And it takes a scandal of epic proportions such as what happened in the UK before they even take notice.

 

[Old Pio]

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Dude seriously. Fox does this every day. Strike that. Many times every day. And it takes a scandal of epic proportions such as what happened in the UK before they even take notice.

So what? What Fox does excuses NBC? There's a reason why Tu Quoque argumentation is called a logical fallacy. I'll rely on your knowledge of Fox, since I've said only about 500 times that I don't watch, and I don't.

 

[Foxton]

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So what? What Fox does excuses NBC? There's a reason why Tu Quoque argumentation is called a logical fallacy. I'll rely on your knowledge of Fox, since I've said only about 500 times that I don't watch, and I don't.

Yea! Old Pio comes up with his talking points, that match up with Fox, purely on his own! Which makes it all the more sad.

 

[walrus]

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So what? What Fox does excuses NBC?

Of course it does. They agree with NBC's agenda so its ok, Fox on the other hand...

 

[5mn_Major]

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Of course it does. They agree with NBC's agenda so its ok, Fox on the other hand...

Looking...looking...nope, did not say that. Neither needs to apologize for anything...that may damage respect held for and consumption of those outlets...but that's the free speech/free market way. And that's what matters.

 

[walrus]

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Looking...looking...nope, did not say that. Neither needs to apologize for anything...that may damage respect held for and consumption of those outlets...but that's the free speech/free market way. And that's what matters.

. But Fox does it.......wah wah wah.

 

[5mn_Major]

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. But Fox does it.......wah wah wah.

Its a free market issue. But no need to expend any more of your overworked brain cells on this one.

 

[TimP]

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Of course it does. They agree with NBC's agenda so its ok, Fox on the other hand...

NBC is a news station that occasionally has opinion pieces. Faux Newz gives opinions and calls them "news." That's the difference.

 

[joecct]

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NBC is a news station that occasionally has opinion pieces. Faux Newz gives opinions and calls them "news." That's the difference.

If you're giving an opinion, you're supposed to give a disclaimer on the screen "Opinion". Fox's news programs are news. Just because they have a slant about 180 degrees opposite from MSNBC does not make them "unworthy". On all the "news" networks, anything after 8 is entertainment. Maddow, Hannity, and Larry King are or never were news shows.

 

[Old Pio]

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There will soon be a telethon for lefties deranged by their hatred of Fox (and their oh so cute appelation "Faux." The first couple of thousand times it's mildly amusing, thereafter it takes on the air of a musty attic). It is obvious these folks are deranged since they're suggesting NBC's felonies in its reporting are excused by whatever it is that has their panties in a wad about Fox. Many of them just can't believe any conservative doesn't have Sean Hannity tattooed on his inner thigh. So, in my case, I'm either lying or delusional (maybe both).

The sad fact is whatever it is that Fox does that has you drooling and babbling is totally unrelated to what NBC did. One does not excuse or justify the other. NBC is a "legacy" outlet. Home of Huntley and Brinkley. Now home to Al Sharpton. And to a newsroom where an audio tape was deliberately edited to further their agenda. In a case that has enormous potential for exacerbating social tensions. This is such a fundamental violation of journalistic ethics and practices I find it astonishing that there are people I know to be intelligent who defend it based on what somebody else allegedly does.

What you guys are saying is: Fox is horrible, awful because they slant the news and if NBC does it, well, that's okay. Really? I hear Jerry Lewis is available if you want to get that telethon off the ground. And even though you can't believe it, it's possible to be a relatively informed person without any input whatsoever from Fox or Limbaugh.