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Fire Dave shyiak
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Suze
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Re: Fire Dave shyiak
But then we have McLeod, Kirchhevel, Pustin, Haddad, Darwitz, Lafranchise, Baldwin, Christianson, Moir, Crowder, Aiken, Bales, Carlson, DayChief, Lawson, Hamilton, Smith, and Jolly. Are there others? The only player from that group that has been successful since leaving UAA is, who? Lawson? Crowder maybe? Despite the reasons for their leaving, that is way too many players. Granted not the 40 players that left under Tally, but too many.
Kirchhevel left for greener pastures and ended up transferring to Penn State. He's only played half of their games and has 2 goals and 4 assists. I guess it didn't work out so well for him to transfer, did it? Mellor also made a mistake by leaving and going back to juniors, in my opinion. He's gone backward. Two years ago he was tearing up the BCHL with 33 goals. He's now two years older and has 16 goals.
If any of the players on UAA's currrent roster leave for the SLUT league, they may be shooting themselves in the foot. Sure, that new league is made up of teams that have all had a ton of success, but half of those teams with winning traditions will be cellar dwellers starting next season. UAA has a chance to turn it around in their new league, but I really feel they need a new coach in order to be successful. There needs to be a new mindset.
But then we have McLeod, Kirchhevel, Pustin, Haddad, Darwitz, Lafranchise, Baldwin, Christianson, Moir, Crowder, Aiken, Bales, Carlson, DayChief, Lawson, Hamilton, Smith, and Jolly. Are there others? The only player from that group that has been successful since leaving UAA is, who? Lawson? Crowder maybe? Despite the reasons for their leaving, that is way too many players. Granted not the 40 players that left under Tally, but too many.
Kirchhevel left for greener pastures and ended up transferring to Penn State. He's only played half of their games and has 2 goals and 4 assists. I guess it didn't work out so well for him to transfer, did it? Mellor also made a mistake by leaving and going back to juniors, in my opinion. He's gone backward. Two years ago he was tearing up the BCHL with 33 goals. He's now two years older and has 16 goals.
If any of the players on UAA's currrent roster leave for the SLUT league, they may be shooting themselves in the foot. Sure, that new league is made up of teams that have all had a ton of success, but half of those teams with winning traditions will be cellar dwellers starting next season. UAA has a chance to turn it around in their new league, but I really feel they need a new coach in order to be successful. There needs to be a new mindset.
uaafanblog
AKA - "Drop The Puck"
Re: Fire Dave shyiak
McLeod - not a student is why he left
Kirchhevel - wouldn't train hard to get the fitness the coaches wanted probably has same issues at PSU
Pustin - NAHL player that didn't really pan out and make the coaches play him by scoring
Darwitz - Wasn't a D1 player
Lafranchise - school problems because of events in personal life ... nobody to blame
Baldwin - Thought more of himself as a player than he was. After not cutting it in the AHL is now "developing" in the ECHL
Christianson - That's a player/coach issue and without offending Todd who I know there's some parent/coach issues there too
Moir - Chose real life
Crowder - Probably a career ECHL player at this point. Could go up and down to the A sometimes if he keeps playing.
Aiken - Not a D1 player really even though he showed nice flashes here and there.
Bales - Thought more of himself than he delivered on the ice. There seems to have been some relationship issues between him and coach. Should have been given scholarship money but staff didn't do that because he was a local kid. That hurt the local recruiting.
Carlson - Wasn't a student from what I hear.
The others left after Hill left. They were Hill guys and didn't adjust to Shyiak. Can't really "blame" the coach for that and none of them were really impactful players while they were at UAA or after they left.
None of that means I don't support replacing Shyiak after this season. I do. And yes ... a new direction/mindset will be best. Additionally, the administration is going to have to simply throw more money at the program than they are now. Recruiting has been and will continue to be the life and death of any college hockey program. There are a few ways to improve that ... either you find a coach that is golden at spotting talent that other coaches miss or you get a coach with a golden tongue that can talk kids out of going to "more attractive" schools or you get a coach that is so renowned and revered that players absolutely are dying to come play for him. And all of that includes absolutely locking down 90% of local studs. The only local players that Shyiak has been able to attract are 2nd tier players. These guys are important to have and help build a solid team. But well .. ya know.
McLeod - not a student is why he left
Kirchhevel - wouldn't train hard to get the fitness the coaches wanted probably has same issues at PSU
Pustin - NAHL player that didn't really pan out and make the coaches play him by scoring
Darwitz - Wasn't a D1 player
Lafranchise - school problems because of events in personal life ... nobody to blame
Baldwin - Thought more of himself as a player than he was. After not cutting it in the AHL is now "developing" in the ECHL
Christianson - That's a player/coach issue and without offending Todd who I know there's some parent/coach issues there too
Moir - Chose real life
Crowder - Probably a career ECHL player at this point. Could go up and down to the A sometimes if he keeps playing.
Aiken - Not a D1 player really even though he showed nice flashes here and there.
Bales - Thought more of himself than he delivered on the ice. There seems to have been some relationship issues between him and coach. Should have been given scholarship money but staff didn't do that because he was a local kid. That hurt the local recruiting.
Carlson - Wasn't a student from what I hear.
The others left after Hill left. They were Hill guys and didn't adjust to Shyiak. Can't really "blame" the coach for that and none of them were really impactful players while they were at UAA or after they left.
None of that means I don't support replacing Shyiak after this season. I do. And yes ... a new direction/mindset will be best. Additionally, the administration is going to have to simply throw more money at the program than they are now. Recruiting has been and will continue to be the life and death of any college hockey program. There are a few ways to improve that ... either you find a coach that is golden at spotting talent that other coaches miss or you get a coach with a golden tongue that can talk kids out of going to "more attractive" schools or you get a coach that is so renowned and revered that players absolutely are dying to come play for him. And all of that includes absolutely locking down 90% of local studs. The only local players that Shyiak has been able to attract are 2nd tier players. These guys are important to have and help build a solid team. But well .. ya know.
drcobbmustgonow
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Re: Fire Dave shyiak
...and your effing electrons are golden. Sorry...I didn't think you were low enough to read the ADN. You see D...you're not the only one who seeks therapy through their posts. I feel strongly that The Almighty Cobb is the main reason we're in this death spiral and quite frankly, the UAA Hockey Alumni have similar feelings.
"He hasn't fought enough for more resources (or at least he hasn't won those fights) for hockey. The failure to have an on campus arena lies above him." is reason enough to toss the bozo out of the state. His stand-alone arena vision...is out there only to appease the masses. It won't happen! If you think so..you are wrong. He's dead-set on staying at the Sully and waiting for them to remodel.
I'm glad the other sports are doing great! I hope to see you at the next cross-country meet...they could sure use your support. The hockey program was the only sports program that brought money into the school. A new on campus arena (even a shared one) could have rekindled enthusiasm/recruiting for the program.
In 15 years of attending nearly every home game, I'm at a freaking breaking point. I can't even get my kids excited to attend the games anymore. If you want to blame Shyiak for everything...that's your opinion. I see only one constant over the last 15 years...and he needs to move on.
...and your effing electrons are golden. Sorry...I didn't think you were low enough to read the ADN. You see D...you're not the only one who seeks therapy through their posts. I feel strongly that The Almighty Cobb is the main reason we're in this death spiral and quite frankly, the UAA Hockey Alumni have similar feelings.
"He hasn't fought enough for more resources (or at least he hasn't won those fights) for hockey. The failure to have an on campus arena lies above him." is reason enough to toss the bozo out of the state. His stand-alone arena vision...is out there only to appease the masses. It won't happen! If you think so..you are wrong. He's dead-set on staying at the Sully and waiting for them to remodel.
I'm glad the other sports are doing great! I hope to see you at the next cross-country meet...they could sure use your support. The hockey program was the only sports program that brought money into the school. A new on campus arena (even a shared one) could have rekindled enthusiasm/recruiting for the program.
In 15 years of attending nearly every home game, I'm at a freaking breaking point. I can't even get my kids excited to attend the games anymore. If you want to blame Shyiak for everything...that's your opinion. I see only one constant over the last 15 years...and he needs to move on.
uaafanblog
AKA - "Drop The Puck"
Re: Fire Dave shyiak
Bill Spindle is the problem if you must know. He is the responsible person on the ladder. He and every President of the University. They are the purse string holders. They all went to bat for a sweet 110 million dollar arena to be located on Northern Lights and Bragaw. Was that 2006/07? In any case, it was a solid proposal that included separate facilities for hockey and bball/vball etc ... as well as central access for the entire city while still being on-campus. Sarah Palin vetoed it during in her first budget cuts as governess. And everyone on UAA's campus promptly put their tails between their legs and ran away from it like they'd been beaten down. It was that brutal loss that led to them coming back with the insufficient and ridiculous crap they are having built now.
Want to fix the administrative side of the UAA Hockey program? Put the Athletic Director job directly under the President instead of under Bill Spindle and the Dept of Administration. Until that happens no AD will have any real control. Want that to be someone other than Cobb? Hey, that's fine with me. But it's the ineffectualness of the way the position is structured that is the problem. Replace Cobb now if you want and you'll just get someone in there that has the same restrictions.
This is the institutional problem that the UAA program faces. Replacing Shyiak or Cobb won't fix it. Replacing Shyiak however (with the right person obviously) can fix some of the non-institutional problems that hold back hockey from success. So my point is ... that when you just point fingers at Cobb you aren't helping anything.
Bill Spindle is the problem if you must know. He is the responsible person on the ladder. He and every President of the University. They are the purse string holders. They all went to bat for a sweet 110 million dollar arena to be located on Northern Lights and Bragaw. Was that 2006/07? In any case, it was a solid proposal that included separate facilities for hockey and bball/vball etc ... as well as central access for the entire city while still being on-campus. Sarah Palin vetoed it during in her first budget cuts as governess. And everyone on UAA's campus promptly put their tails between their legs and ran away from it like they'd been beaten down. It was that brutal loss that led to them coming back with the insufficient and ridiculous crap they are having built now.
Want to fix the administrative side of the UAA Hockey program? Put the Athletic Director job directly under the President instead of under Bill Spindle and the Dept of Administration. Until that happens no AD will have any real control. Want that to be someone other than Cobb? Hey, that's fine with me. But it's the ineffectualness of the way the position is structured that is the problem. Replace Cobb now if you want and you'll just get someone in there that has the same restrictions.
This is the institutional problem that the UAA program faces. Replacing Shyiak or Cobb won't fix it. Replacing Shyiak however (with the right person obviously) can fix some of the non-institutional problems that hold back hockey from success. So my point is ... that when you just point fingers at Cobb you aren't helping anything.
drcobbmustgonow
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Re: Fire Dave shyiak
I've heard your structure argument before...and there's some validity to it.
However, it appears to me that if the Good Ole boys could have checked their egos at the door and dropped the two arena plan... the Board of Regents would have voted for the arena to include ice. The one dissenting vote against the 109 million arena was only because it wasn't going to meet our needs. i.e. didn't include ice. If Cobb and crew would have swallowed their pride and included ice in the arena plans...the Regents would have approved it and we'd be talking about a nice sweet arena for all UAA sports.
http://www.adn.com/2011/06/03/1898291/ua-regents-approve-new-109-million.html
"In 2009, the Board of Regents approved a proposed $80 million arena, but later told UAA administrators to revise the plans to ensure that a new facility would fill the school's needs for the next 30 or 40 years, Spindle said.
The revision changed the main gym from one that could seat about 3,000 to one that will seat around 5,600 and raised the price to $109 million."--- but strangely left out the chillers
--Dre
http://hockeytownak.blogspot.com
I've heard your structure argument before...and there's some validity to it.
However, it appears to me that if the Good Ole boys could have checked their egos at the door and dropped the two arena plan... the Board of Regents would have voted for the arena to include ice. The one dissenting vote against the 109 million arena was only because it wasn't going to meet our needs. i.e. didn't include ice. If Cobb and crew would have swallowed their pride and included ice in the arena plans...the Regents would have approved it and we'd be talking about a nice sweet arena for all UAA sports.
http://www.adn.com/2011/06/03/1898291/ua-regents-approve-new-109-million.html
"In 2009, the Board of Regents approved a proposed $80 million arena, but later told UAA administrators to revise the plans to ensure that a new facility would fill the school's needs for the next 30 or 40 years, Spindle said.
The revision changed the main gym from one that could seat about 3,000 to one that will seat around 5,600 and raised the price to $109 million."--- but strangely left out the chillers
--Dre
http://hockeytownak.blogspot.com
Suze
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Re: Fire Dave shyiak
The problem may indeed lay partly above Cobb, he is still a big part of the problem. Look how many years he has appeased you and I, Donald, telling us he "had ice". Do you remember when channel 2 did a story about the new arena excluding hockey? They asked Cobb, on camera, about it. He replied that he thought an updated Sullivan Arena was a "good fit" for UAA. That doesn't sound like he wants hockey on campus.
He has been talking about an updated Sully for years, but it is not in the plans. I have spoken to Deb Fitzgerald, Contract Administrator with the Muni, and the Mayors Chief of Staff, and there are NO plans to update the Sullivan Arena. Heck, we can't even get the crappy glass replaced. At the moment, the only plans are to replace the HVAC system and other structural repairs. The citys priority is "life safety issues and to protect the asset". Like fixing the sidewalks.
I would like to attend the UAA/UA_ Alumni game next Saturday, but I'd love to know how much of our donation is going strictly for HOCKEY. When we purchased our season tickets, we joined at the $1000 booster level for quite a few years now, and I bet only a portion of that is going for hockey. I hate the way they handle donations, lumping all of the sports into one Association.
Our best chance to get new glass is to take pictures of it, showing how crappy it is, and present them to the Assembly! I believe there is only 4 minutes to make the case that new glass is needed. That is pathetic. Why isn't someone from UAA getting involved with that? If the Fairbanks Borough can cough up the money to get new glass, Anchorage should be able to as they have a lot more money to spend.
The problem may indeed lay partly above Cobb, he is still a big part of the problem. Look how many years he has appeased you and I, Donald, telling us he "had ice". Do you remember when channel 2 did a story about the new arena excluding hockey? They asked Cobb, on camera, about it. He replied that he thought an updated Sullivan Arena was a "good fit" for UAA. That doesn't sound like he wants hockey on campus.
He has been talking about an updated Sully for years, but it is not in the plans. I have spoken to Deb Fitzgerald, Contract Administrator with the Muni, and the Mayors Chief of Staff, and there are NO plans to update the Sullivan Arena. Heck, we can't even get the crappy glass replaced. At the moment, the only plans are to replace the HVAC system and other structural repairs. The citys priority is "life safety issues and to protect the asset". Like fixing the sidewalks.
I would like to attend the UAA/UA_ Alumni game next Saturday, but I'd love to know how much of our donation is going strictly for HOCKEY. When we purchased our season tickets, we joined at the $1000 booster level for quite a few years now, and I bet only a portion of that is going for hockey. I hate the way they handle donations, lumping all of the sports into one Association.
Our best chance to get new glass is to take pictures of it, showing how crappy it is, and present them to the Assembly! I believe there is only 4 minutes to make the case that new glass is needed. That is pathetic. Why isn't someone from UAA getting involved with that? If the Fairbanks Borough can cough up the money to get new glass, Anchorage should be able to as they have a lot more money to spend.
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uaafanblog
AKA - "Drop The Puck"
Re: Fire Dave shyiak
As to the glass there certainly is no evident cooperation between UAA and the Aces to make that happen. I wonder if those two organizations have even ever spoken to one another on any level about anything? Maybe a new hockey-minded AD would bring some creativity to maximize the hockey marketing by forging an ongoing relationship with the Aces marketing and also work together doing things like getting new glass.
The problem may indeed lay partly above Cobb, he is still a big part of the problem. Look how many years he has appeased you and I, Donald, telling us he "had ice". Do you remember when channel 2 did a story about the new arena excluding hockey? They asked Cobb, on camera, about it. He replied that he thought an updated Sullivan Arena was a "good fit" for UAA. That doesn't sound like he wants hockey on campus.
He has been talking about an updated Sully for years, but it is not in the plans. I have spoken to Deb Fitzgerald, Contract Administrator with the Muni, and the Mayors Chief of Staff, and there are NO plans to update the Sullivan Arena. Heck, we can't even get the crappy glass replaced. At the moment, the only plans are to replace the HVAC system and other structural repairs. The citys priority is "life safety issues and to protect the asset". Like fixing the sidewalks.
So Cobb is just blowing smoke, again. I've been point blank lied to for so long that I honestly cannot believe ANYTHING he says.
I would like to attend the UAA/UA_ Alumni game next Saturday, but I'd love to know how much of our donation is going strictly for HOCKEY. When we purchased our season tickets, we joined at the $1000 booster level for quite a few years now, and I bet only a portion of that is going for hockey. I hate the way they handle donations, and that was a Cobb brainstorm as well, lumping all of the sports into one Association.
Our best chance to get new glass is to take pictures of it, showing how crappy it is, and present them to the Assembly! I believe there is only 4 minutes to make the case that new glass is needed. That is pathetic. Why isn't someone from UAA getting involved with that? If the Fairbanks Borough can cough up the money to get new glass, Anchorage should be able to as they have a lot more money to spend.
As to the glass there certainly is no evident cooperation between UAA and the Aces to make that happen. I wonder if those two organizations have even ever spoken to one another on any level about anything? Maybe a new hockey-minded AD would bring some creativity to maximize the hockey marketing by forging an ongoing relationship with the Aces marketing and also work together doing things like getting new glass.
Suze
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Re: Fire Dave shyiak
That would be a start. The problem is the Sullivan Arena is contracted out to SMG, who doesn't appear to be doing a very good job of updating the facility. And the Muni uses that as a scapegoat "We don't manage the Sully, SMG does". *rollseyesinfrustration*
That would be a start. The problem is the Sullivan Arena is contracted out to SMG, who doesn't appear to be doing a very good job of updating the facility. And the Muni uses that as a scapegoat "We don't manage the Sully, SMG does". *rollseyesinfrustration*
uaafanblog
AKA - "Drop The Puck"
Re: Fire Dave shyiak
Buuutttt ... But ... Isn't the mantra of the genius capitalists in the USA that "the private sector" can always do a better job than "big government"? Shiver me timbers to think that "the private sector" would do everything it could on the cheap in order to maintain their profits. But yes, let's not go back to a time when the Municipality of Anchorage actually made money managing the Sullivan Arena.
Buuutttt ... But ... Isn't the mantra of the genius capitalists in the USA that "the private sector" can always do a better job than "big government"? Shiver me timbers to think that "the private sector" would do everything it could on the cheap in order to maintain their profits. But yes, let's not go back to a time when the Municipality of Anchorage actually made money managing the Sullivan Arena.
manurespreader
Still upright
Re: Fire Dave shyiak
If you were really out looking for a new coach, try Lassonde, or Miller both at Denver, but you will have to come up with more money by quite a bit.
If you were really out looking for a new coach, try Lassonde, or Miller both at Denver, but you will have to come up with more money by quite a bit.
Suze
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Re: Fire Dave shyiak
There are indeed many other problems,, but his teams are so inconsistent. He has recruited talent and has had some amazing wins - but he can't do it for enough games to have a winning season. I also feel his teams aren't disiplined enough on the ice. The penalty in Minnesota cost us that game, and they've had way too many 5 minute majors this season.
There are indeed many other problems,, but his teams are so inconsistent. He has recruited talent and has had some amazing wins - but he can't do it for enough games to have a winning season. I also feel his teams aren't disiplined enough on the ice. The penalty in Minnesota cost us that game, and they've had way too many 5 minute majors this season.
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Re: Fire Dave shyiak
I think the money thing is part of the problem, especially since attendance has been down for so many years. Geeze I remember when the hockey team was sold out every night and they made so much money that hockey actually supported the other sports on campus. Blame it all on Dean Talafous, he started it all.
I think the money thing is part of the problem, especially since attendance has been down for so many years. Geeze I remember when the hockey team was sold out every night and they made so much money that hockey actually supported the other sports on campus. Blame it all on Dean Talafous, he started it all.
uaafanblog
AKA - "Drop The Puck"
Re: Fire Dave shyiak
The program can ill-afford to once again hire some assistant or associate coach who everyone says has loads of potential. Both Talafous and Shyiak met those standards are were well regarded among the hockey community as guys with potentially big head coaching careers ahead of them. If you are going to take a chance like that then you absolutely should hire someone with close ties and who is well regarded in the Anchorage hockey community. Otherwise, you should be going after proven head coaches. Davis Payne or Keith McCambridge come to mind. I bet neither of them is making 300K a year in their current gigs. Pony that kind of fundage up and get someone who recruits can be impressed and that have shown they know how to put talent together. They both won in Anchorage. Either one is someone that would bring fans into the door. Someone dangle some money in front of Payne (1.5 Million for 5 years) let's get ourselves a head coach with "former NHL Head Coach" on his resume.
Find someone on this list who was working recently but now isn't NHL Coaches Registry and offer them 300K a year and a chance to turn a program around.
The program can ill-afford to once again hire some assistant or associate coach who everyone says has loads of potential. Both Talafous and Shyiak met those standards are were well regarded among the hockey community as guys with potentially big head coaching careers ahead of them. If you are going to take a chance like that then you absolutely should hire someone with close ties and who is well regarded in the Anchorage hockey community. Otherwise, you should be going after proven head coaches. Davis Payne or Keith McCambridge come to mind. I bet neither of them is making 300K a year in their current gigs. Pony that kind of fundage up and get someone who recruits can be impressed and that have shown they know how to put talent together. They both won in Anchorage. Either one is someone that would bring fans into the door. Someone dangle some money in front of Payne (1.5 Million for 5 years) let's get ourselves a head coach with "former NHL Head Coach" on his resume.
Find someone on this list who was working recently but now isn't NHL Coaches Registry and offer them 300K a year and a chance to turn a program around.
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Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Re: Fire Dave shyiak
Davis Payne is an Assistant Coach in LA. No way he's going to come to UAA for anything short of somebody kidnapping his wife and forcing him into it. JFC many of you need to have some realistic expectations.
uaafanblog
AKA - "Drop The Puck"
Re: Fire Dave shyiak
Payne isn't the only option. A former NHL coach who is now an assistant may very well consider a NCAA Head Coaching gig if he isn't going to be taking a pay cut. I don't have any idea what Payne is making at L.A. but there are quite a few other recent NHL coaches who aren't making any money sitting at home.
Go find the weekly thread and tell the world how "UAA sucks and will lose".
Payne isn't the only option. A former NHL coach who is now an assistant may very well consider a NCAA Head Coaching gig if he isn't going to be taking a pay cut. I don't have any idea what Payne is making at L.A. but there are quite a few other recent NHL coaches who aren't making any money sitting at home.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Re: Fire Dave shyiak
And why don't you go back to masturbating about how you think SCSU is going to choke. I'm more of a fan than you, I actually go to the games.
Or he's in LA padding his resume a bit waiting for the next opening. Sorry but no moderately intelligent hockey coach with a future like Payne will go NHL Assistant to NCAA program, especially a bad one like ours.
And why don't you go back to masturbating about how you think SCSU is going to choke. I'm more of a fan than you, I actually go to the games.