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Final Four Moving Back to Campus Sites

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PSUChamps2001 said:
Yes it sucks Lake Placid is not 10 minutes from New York City or a stone throw from your backdoor, I'm so sorry. So we should just change it to play in megotropolis Northfield? What's the airport code for Northfield? How many bus terminals? I imagine you must have every major airline flying out of Northfield as well no? I too remember the old days of finding out Saturday night if my team was going to the Final Four, and then Sunday evening making plans with your buddies on who's driving who, and who's leaving when.

If you want to host a FF in DIII, you have to have the capacity of 4,000 + , period!
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Why do you always have to make personal attacks? The only reason I'm talking about Norwich is because they are the team I follow and they were #1 this year. I feel the same about any other school. It should be on the campus sites, be it Norwich, Plattsburgh, SNC, or Plymouth St.
 
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AldenPartridge1819 said:
Why do you always have to make personal attacks? The only reason I'm talking about Norwich is because they are the team I follow and they were #1 this year. I feel the same about any other school. It should be on the campus sites, be it Norwich, Plattsburgh, SNC, or Plymouth St.
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Because you make NO sense....let's have it in smaller venues, smaller towns, farther away from from transit, with little to no transportation, hotels, accomodations all because you don't want to play infront of 3,500 people? You would rather shut out the 700-1000 (minimal) fans by having it at some other school. Smart, real smart, lots of logic there. You do realize PSU/OSU games sell out with in hours...Ply/Wentworth with in minutes. Yea that's a great idea there...the whole point of moving it to a neutral site was to allow more fans to be there, which it has, stats prove it.
 
norm1909 said:
For the record, it is the intent of the NCAA to merge the DI & DIII Ice Hockey Championships*, AND to also incorporate professional franchise's as official sponsors, that is where the future of the "Final Four" lies - for better or worse.

PS - Don't shoot the messenger.
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Question for those in Lake Placid this weekend... would you be planning to spend the weekend in Tampa in a few weeks if the DIII tournament was paired-up with the DI events this year?

In other words, how many would travel that far? I'd be willing to bet the St. Norbert contingent may be comparable in size, but I would guess that the Norwich, Oswego, and Amherst fan bases would be reduced quite a bit.

Sure, there would be a smattering of curious DI fans in-attendance, but a much-smaller DIII fanbase. (Just a guess).
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
... I'm still not sold on the whole "DI/DIII" thing unless DI is willing to keep it "near" DIII schools. Obviously Minny, Lake Placid, Boston will be okay, but Denver? California? Florida? Lots of DIII teams out there. It's not the fact I don't mind playing second fiddle, but yikes.
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You can bet the Stafford Scoreboards (and video monitors) that Brucey will get-r-done, he's the man. :rolleyes:
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
Yea because it would be SOOO much cheaper to travel to Norwich where 2200 is a sell out ....:rolleyes::rolleyes: Heck lets go to Amherst where you can hardly fit 1,000 people in there. The last 18 NCAA FF games NOT at a neutral site (1999-2005) averaged 2100 fans. Since then the Final Four has averaged nearly 3,100...so apparantly fans can still afford to go to games compared to years past when the economy was better and gas was cheaper, even when 4 of the 6 were at Midd or Norwich.

And I will say it again, if Lake Placid can host the little thing they call the Olympics, the can host a freakn DIII Final Four. Sure RIT is nice...Are you going to fit ALL PSU, Midd, Norwich, Oswego, Elmira, ect ect fans in their rink? Or what happens when Amherst makes the push to #1, or god for bid Potsdam or Hobart?? There are only a HANDFUL of teams (like 6) who average more then 50% capacity...so most players/fans (besides your Oswego, Utica, Norwich, Plattsburgh, SNC) are use to playing in an half empty barn. Sure HBA is listed at 7700, but a full 3-5,000+ lower bowl is more then 99% of what the teams are use to. The Championship game a few years ago between Gusties and Neumann still drew 3100+. Thats more then EVERY game from 1999-2005 which included SEVERAL big teams.

Yes it sucks Lake Placid is not 10 minutes from New York City or a stone throw from your backdoor, I'm so sorry. So we should just change it to play in megotropolis Northfield? What's the airport code for Northfield? How many bus terminals? I imagine you must have every major airline flying out of Northfield as well no? I too remember the old days of finding out Saturday night if my team was going to the Final Four, and then Sunday evening making plans with your buddies on who's driving who, and who's leaving when.

If you want to host a FF in DIII, you have to have the capacity of 4,000 + , period!

Having said all that, I'd be in a big favor of say maybe an 4 region system (Lake Placid, Boston, Atlantic City and Minn/Wisc) or even toss in Rochester/Buffalo/Syracuse in there. Heck even the Aud in Utica or Albany. Problem is NO ONE WANTS TO BID ON IT!! Buffalo (Buff State/Fredonia/SUNYAC), Syracuse (Oswego/Cortland, Hamilton, Morrisville), Rochester (NAZ, Elmira, Hobart, Geneseo, Brockport), Albany (Skidmore, Williams, Middlebury), Atlantic City (Neumann), Boston (okay too many to name). But as I said BID ON IT!!

Lake Placid is a GREAT hockey town/area and a "short" central location for the big three (or 4 now) Norwich, Plattsburgh, Middlebury, Oswego. I'm still not sold on the whole "DI/DIII" thing unless DI is willing to keep it "near" DIII schools. Obviously Minny, Lake Placid, Boston will be okay, but Denver? California? Florida? Lots of DIII teams out there. It's not the fact I don't mind playing second fiddle, but yikes.
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+1
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
I'm starting to wonder if Lake Placid has run its course.

If Plattsburgh was in, obviously attendance would have been better but Norwich is probably the second team you would want there after Plattsburgh and the arena definitely had a lot of empty seats.
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Oswego brings more fans than Norwich to Lake Placid. Always have.
 
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I can't speak to the accuracy of the 3100 number from last night, but the Oz Traveling Circus was at least 25% of the house...and more are arriving today.....

Unless its changed, I believe the minimum capacity to bid the FF is 3,000, which is why the campus center in Oswego was designed to hold 3,000 with SRO seats...

If you want a campus, Oswego is a credible potential host...arena facilities, broadcast facilities, strong local support group (Blueline Club), Hancock Field/Amtrak/buses 45 min away, local restaurant and bar capacity... hotel room count in the immediate area would be an issue...

Having said all that, Lake Placid is unique...and seeing the folks moving up and down main st on a spring like day causes the "issues" to fade away.....
 
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While I understand where the other guy is coming from, I completely agree with your post. BUT...you don't need to belittle other people's opinion to make your point. You clearly do your homework and know lots of stats. Lose the attitude (i.e. "Your opinion is so stupid it disgusts me") - it just makes you come off like a d-bag.



PSUChamps2001 said:
Yea because it would be SOOO much cheaper to travel to Norwich where 2200 is a sell out ....:rolleyes::rolleyes: Heck lets go to Amherst where you can hardly fit 1,000 people in there. The last 18 NCAA FF games NOT at a neutral site (1999-2005) averaged 2100 fans. Since then the Final Four has averaged nearly 3,100...so apparantly fans can still afford to go to games compared to years past when the economy was better and gas was cheaper, even when 4 of the 6 were at Midd or Norwich.

And I will say it again, if Lake Placid can host the little thing they call the Olympics, the can host a freakn DIII Final Four. Sure RIT is nice...Are you going to fit ALL PSU, Midd, Norwich, Oswego, Elmira, ect ect fans in their rink? Or what happens when Amherst makes the push to #1, or god for bid Potsdam or Hobart?? There are only a HANDFUL of teams (like 6) who average more then 50% capacity...so most players/fans (besides your Oswego, Utica, Norwich, Plattsburgh, SNC) are use to playing in an half empty barn. Sure HBA is listed at 7700, but a full 3-5,000+ lower bowl is more then 99% of what the teams are use to. The Championship game a few years ago between Gusties and Neumann still drew 3100+. Thats more then EVERY game from 1999-2005 which included SEVERAL big teams.

Yes it sucks Lake Placid is not 10 minutes from New York City or a stone throw from your backdoor, I'm so sorry. So we should just change it to play in megotropolis Northfield? What's the airport code for Northfield? How many bus terminals? I imagine you must have every major airline flying out of Northfield as well no? I too remember the old days of finding out Saturday night if my team was going to the Final Four, and then Sunday evening making plans with your buddies on who's driving who, and who's leaving when.

If you want to host a FF in DIII, you have to have the capacity of 4,000 + , period!

Having said all that, I'd be in a big favor of say maybe an 4 region system (Lake Placid, Boston, Atlantic City and Minn/Wisc) or even toss in Rochester/Buffalo/Syracuse in there. Heck even the Aud in Utica or Albany. Problem is NO ONE WANTS TO BID ON IT!! Buffalo (Buff State/Fredonia/SUNYAC), Syracuse (Oswego/Cortland, Hamilton, Morrisville), Rochester (NAZ, Elmira, Hobart, Geneseo, Brockport), Albany (Skidmore, Williams, Middlebury), Atlantic City (Neumann), Boston (okay too many to name). But as I said BID ON IT!!

Lake Placid is a GREAT hockey town/area and a "short" central location for the big three (or 4 now) Norwich, Plattsburgh, Middlebury, Oswego. I'm still not sold on the whole "DI/DIII" thing unless DI is willing to keep it "near" DIII schools. Obviously Minny, Lake Placid, Boston will be okay, but Denver? California? Florida? Lots of DIII teams out there. It's not the fact I don't mind playing second fiddle, but yikes.
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llama said:
While I understand where the other guy is coming from, I completely agree with your post. BUT...you don't need to belittle other people's opinion to make your point. You clearly do your homework and know lots of stats. Lose the attitude (i.e. "Your opinion is so stupid it disgusts me") - it just makes you come off like a d-bag.
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Personal attacks are self degrading, something like this is better ;)
 
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Combined DI/DIII championship means DIII hockey in April with a 3 week gap before the finals. That'll really work well for hockey players who try to do spring sports too.
 
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AldenPartridge1819 said:
I've talked to many people that have played under both scenarios. They preferred the smaller packed house (even if it was at an away school) over the bigger half-empty barn every time.
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The same ones who said Kyle Thomas is an average player too right? :rolleyes:
 
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Good weekend of hockey. The best team in the tournament won the Championship. They took it to both Norwich & Oswego.

THANK YOU PLATTSBURGH FOR HOSTING AND I LOOK FOWARD GOING BACK NEXT YEAR :)
 
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If the NCAA had any forethought, they would combine the DI men and women's tournaments at a single location, and the DIII Men and Women's tournaments at another location. How hard is that to figure out?
 
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I agree with both sides. Lake placid has run its corse. The rink has its history but the ice surface is soft and slow. The players cant skate and handle the puck the way they can on modern fast(harder) ice surface. It makes a slopy game to watch. But i do think the game should be at an of campus location that can handle a big crowd. Maybe in a better hockey market area were local hockey fans that dont follow d-3 hockey might buy a ticket just because its ncaa hokey.
 
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I am so sick of the moaning and groaning ... Lake Placid is the best ...

There will never be a perfect venue ... it will always be too big for one guy's taste ... too far away for another's ... but in my years doing the games I've done the championship game thing at home ... on the road ... at neutral sites ... nothing compares with the excitement of being at the Olympic Center. and consider this ... while there over the weekend I was listening to the local radio station ... they did a full length preview of the event on the air ... it was the biggest event of the weekend there ... that means something!

The best idea I've heard in a while is combining the D-3 men's AND women's tournaments at the same site ... as to the merging of the D-1 and D-3 men's events at the same site ... at first I liked it ... but the more I think about it the more I wonder how it can work ... isn't that just way too late for D-3 hockey?
 
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