bigblue_dl
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Re: EMERGENCY - I'm drinking and the old drinking thread is closed!
The issue is, wine doesn't taste very good.
The issue is, wine doesn't taste very good.
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EMERGENCY - I'm drinking and the old drinking thread is closed!
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bigblue_dl
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Re: EMERGENCY - I'm drinking and the old drinking thread is closed!
And NO HUNA FOR YOU!!!!
And NO HUNA FOR YOU!!!!
Re: EMERGENCY - I'm drinking and the old drinking thread is closed!
Says the guy who made his own wine.
Says the guy who made his own wine.
bigblue_dl
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Re: EMERGENCY - I'm drinking and the old drinking thread is closed!
And it tasted ****ty. Then I stopped making wine.
Says the guy who made his own wine.
And it tasted ****ty. Then I stopped making wine.
Re: EMERGENCY - I'm drinking and the old drinking thread is closed!
I bet you could get a job at South Fork.
Back to the discussion, wine just doesn't taste good, I agree with bbdl. Not my thing. I really tried, but nope. Beer and bourbon. And occasionally rum and vodka. Gin can go straight to hell, though.
I bet you could get a job at South Fork.
Back to the discussion, wine just doesn't taste good, I agree with bbdl. Not my thing. I really tried, but nope. Beer and bourbon. And occasionally rum and vodka. Gin can go straight to hell, though.
bigblue_dl
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Re: EMERGENCY - I'm drinking and the old drinking thread is closed!
Auchentoshan 18 year. So smooth. Nice mellow flavor characteristic of the lowlands. A very nice single malt, unfortunately, not available in the US.
Edit: and for the first time, a scotch my wife tastes and she actually likes!
Auchentoshan 18 year. So smooth. Nice mellow flavor characteristic of the lowlands. A very nice single malt, unfortunately, not available in the US.
Edit: and for the first time, a scotch my wife tastes and she actually likes!
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St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: EMERGENCY - I'm drinking and the old drinking thread is closed!
So then...that's a Yes on recommending the Pickle in Eau Claire?
So then...that's a Yes on recommending the Pickle in Eau Claire?
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: EMERGENCY - I'm drinking and the old drinking thread is closed!
We saw a homeless guy pass out in the middle of the street. Then the ambulance and firetruck came to haul him away. Probably shouldn't have bought him a beer.
We saw a homeless guy pass out in the middle of the street. Then the ambulance and firetruck came to haul him away. Probably shouldn't have bought him a beer.
MissThundercat
Are the cis okay?
Re: EMERGENCY - I'm drinking and the old drinking thread is closed!
The article is kinda B.S. Notice who wrote it: Jim Koch, founder of Sam Adams. He is trying to redefine the legal definition of "craft beer" so he can continue to remain a craft brewer. He's a macro-brewer now, and there is NOTHING wrong with that. He, however, refuses to accept that fact and has gone rather doosh-bag on it, by writing articles like this.
Frankly, the smaller places won't necessarily have the shelf space to distribute their beer, BUT there are so many craft breweries, that they are more like neighborhood bars, and they will sell their beer via pints and growlers. Many don't WANT to expand to bottling/canning. They are content with what they have, for business. They are NOT out to become the next Surly or Sam Adams. Some even survive simply because they are the ONLY craft brewery in the area (despite the quality of their beer, whether it's good or bad).
Anecdotal, but 2 of my favorite breweries might toss out a couple bottles here and there to local stores, but that is not their bread and butter. It's the foot-traffic in their taprooms, and rarely have I seen those taprooms not busy. There is a bubble, and I think we are on it, but it's not as dire as Koch says it is.
The article is kinda B.S. Notice who wrote it: Jim Koch, founder of Sam Adams. He is trying to redefine the legal definition of "craft beer" so he can continue to remain a craft brewer. He's a macro-brewer now, and there is NOTHING wrong with that. He, however, refuses to accept that fact and has gone rather doosh-bag on it, by writing articles like this.
Frankly, the smaller places won't necessarily have the shelf space to distribute their beer, BUT there are so many craft breweries, that they are more like neighborhood bars, and they will sell their beer via pints and growlers. Many don't WANT to expand to bottling/canning. They are content with what they have, for business. They are NOT out to become the next Surly or Sam Adams. Some even survive simply because they are the ONLY craft brewery in the area (despite the quality of their beer, whether it's good or bad).
Anecdotal, but 2 of my favorite breweries might toss out a couple bottles here and there to local stores, but that is not their bread and butter. It's the foot-traffic in their taprooms, and rarely have I seen those taprooms not busy. There is a bubble, and I think we are on it, but it's not as dire as Koch says it is.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
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Comparing Surly and SA is silly. SA and Stone, or Sierra Nevada, or New Belgium, or (gag) Rogue, are much better comparisons. Breweries that actually have a national reach.
Comparing Surly and SA is silly. SA and Stone, or Sierra Nevada, or New Belgium, or (gag) Rogue, are much better comparisons. Breweries that actually have a national reach.
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Surly, believe it or not, is really toeing that line nationally. I am not a sheeple, but even I can see that development.
Surly is the new version of SA. There are/were rumors of them selling out, especially after their head brewer joined 3 Floyds recently (Todd Haug). And Surly is admittedly a clone of Stone: hop forward, we do what we want beers.
Surly, believe it or not, is really toeing that line nationally. I am not a sheeple, but even I can see that development.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
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I was trying to come up with a good response but Fade already did.
Surly isn't a national brewer. They are regional at best. Cigar City and 3 Floyds have a wider reach. All of the breweries Fade mentioned are much larger.
Sam Adams never sold out. They were just content being a national brand that wasn't Miller, Coors, or AB.
And I don't see how this OpEd makes him a doosh. He's lobbying.
Edit: now I finally read the article in full. Brent you completely missed his point. I have no idea how you could manage to get your original post out of that OpEd if had read it. It's a rallying cry against InBev and SABMiller. This article could have been written by bbdl.
The point Koch is making is that two companies control something like 90% of the world's supply of a commodity and now they want to merge. He rightly sees this as a monopolistic merger with potential anticompetitive practices.
At no point in the article does he push for a redefinition of craft beer. He doesn't even make it seem like he thinks of his beer as craft anymore. He is writing to protect the small brewers because he has the voice to do it. He is recognizable and has a generally positive public image.
Your bizarre personal animus towards Sam Adams is not just clouding your judgment, it's crippling it.
I was trying to come up with a good response but Fade already did.
Surly isn't a national brewer. They are regional at best. Cigar City and 3 Floyds have a wider reach. All of the breweries Fade mentioned are much larger.
Sam Adams never sold out. They were just content being a national brand that wasn't Miller, Coors, or AB.
And I don't see how this OpEd makes him a doosh. He's lobbying.
Edit: now I finally read the article in full. Brent you completely missed his point. I have no idea how you could manage to get your original post out of that OpEd if had read it. It's a rallying cry against InBev and SABMiller. This article could have been written by bbdl.
The point Koch is making is that two companies control something like 90% of the world's supply of a commodity and now they want to merge. He rightly sees this as a monopolistic merger with potential anticompetitive practices.
At no point in the article does he push for a redefinition of craft beer. He doesn't even make it seem like he thinks of his beer as craft anymore. He is writing to protect the small brewers because he has the voice to do it. He is recognizable and has a generally positive public image.
Your bizarre personal animus towards Sam Adams is not just clouding your judgment, it's crippling it.
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He is rallying against the macros, but unfortunately, he himself is basically a macro. He doesn't mention it in the article but he's been fighting to redefine "craft" beer so his company still fits those parameters. He claims to be for the little guy, but yet is trying to bend the rules to his advantage instead of accepting the definitions, in the case of craft brewing.
Is Sam Adams a beer I enjoy? Not really, but that doesn't cloud my judgement. I'd rather have a Sam than a Stone, and (for the most part) cannot stand Stone.
Surly is growing quickly, and IMO I think they are on the bubble for the next brewery to get bought up (IF Omar decides to do that). He has said he won't, but many others have said the same thing. I wouldn't blame him, really. I mean, if Ballast Point got $1B for their brewery (although the parent company said they wouldn't mess with anything; they just want the max profits), what could Surly get? They are nationally known and sought after.
THAT is why I think Surly is the next Sam. They are ready to go to that next level, if they so choose.
Oh, another point: heard many times over that Koch never even wanted to make IPAs, but felt he had to, due to market demand. He didn't have to. His company was big enough to keep doing what they were doing and be successful. But he caved. (FTR, the Rebel IPA isn't bad at all; I actually like that one).
He is rallying against the macros, but unfortunately, he himself is basically a macro. He doesn't mention it in the article but he's been fighting to redefine "craft" beer so his company still fits those parameters. He claims to be for the little guy, but yet is trying to bend the rules to his advantage instead of accepting the definitions, in the case of craft brewing.
Is Sam Adams a beer I enjoy? Not really, but that doesn't cloud my judgement. I'd rather have a Sam than a Stone, and (for the most part) cannot stand Stone.
Surly is growing quickly, and IMO I think they are on the bubble for the next brewery to get bought up (IF Omar decides to do that). He has said he won't, but many others have said the same thing. I wouldn't blame him, really. I mean, if Ballast Point got $1B for their brewery (although the parent company said they wouldn't mess with anything; they just want the max profits), what could Surly get? They are nationally known and sought after.
THAT is why I think Surly is the next Sam. They are ready to go to that next level, if they so choose.
Oh, another point: heard many times over that Koch never even wanted to make IPAs, but felt he had to, due to market demand. He didn't have to. His company was big enough to keep doing what they were doing and be successful. But he caved. (FTR, the Rebel IPA isn't bad at all; I actually like that one).
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He's trying to predict the death of craft beer, which isn't going to happen, and he's announcing it from a macro stage, of which he's part of (IMO, and really close to the legal definition of a macro). Just seems a bit BS to me. It's like if Leinie's wrote the same article.....the reaction to this would be much different, I think.
Anyway to expand, craft beer isn't going to die. Will you see them all in stores? No. But that doesn't make a brewery unsuccessful. Even IF macros ended up with 90% of shelf space in the US, there are still local stores that will carry the local beer, and the loyalists like us will still buy those local beers. Most breweries don't even bother with stores. They are basically neighborhood bars, they make their profits, and brew great beer. Not everyone is going to be a Stone, Ballast, 3Floyd's, Founders, Surly, etc.
Some of the more successful breweries in MN barely even bottle/can for stores, if at all: Dangerous Man, Hammerheart, LTD (ok, that one is a bit biased, but they are making bank, relatively), Insight, Forager, Junkyard, Disgruntled.....
He's trying to predict the death of craft beer, which isn't going to happen, and he's announcing it from a macro stage, of which he's part of (IMO, and really close to the legal definition of a macro). Just seems a bit BS to me. It's like if Leinie's wrote the same article.....the reaction to this would be much different, I think.
Anyway to expand, craft beer isn't going to die. Will you see them all in stores? No. But that doesn't make a brewery unsuccessful. Even IF macros ended up with 90% of shelf space in the US, there are still local stores that will carry the local beer, and the loyalists like us will still buy those local beers. Most breweries don't even bother with stores. They are basically neighborhood bars, they make their profits, and brew great beer. Not everyone is going to be a Stone, Ballast, 3Floyd's, Founders, Surly, etc.
Some of the more successful breweries in MN barely even bottle/can for stores, if at all: Dangerous Man, Hammerheart, LTD (ok, that one is a bit biased, but they are making bank, relatively), Insight, Forager, Junkyard, Disgruntled.....
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: EMERGENCY - I'm drinking and the old drinking thread is closed!
Brent, he's saying we need stronger antitrust protection for craft brewing. You don't understand or didn't read the article. I'm guessing the latter because there is absolutely no way anyone could come the conclusion you did after reading the article.
It's about antitrust protections. Not this windmill of redefining craft brewing you are tilting at.
Brent, he's saying we need stronger antitrust protection for craft brewing. You don't understand or didn't read the article. I'm guessing the latter because there is absolutely no way anyone could come the conclusion you did after reading the article.
It's about antitrust protections. Not this windmill of redefining craft brewing you are tilting at.
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