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Elections 2012 -- Kull Wahad!!!

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Rush is claiming that Dark Knights villain Bane was a deliberate attempt to slander Romney during an election year. This is quite a stretch as the screenplay was written two years ago and at that time, Romney's chances of nomination had to be somewhere south of 30%

If Rush is correct about a percieved movie relationship between the candidate and the villain, then Romney shouldn't have worked at a company with a name nearly identical to one with the definition of 1) A cause of great distress or annoyance 2) Something, typically poison, that causes death.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Rush is claiming that Dark Knights villain Bain was a deliberate attempt to slander Romney during an election year. This is quite a stretch as the screenplay was written two years ago and at that time, Romney's chances of nomination had to be somewhere south of 30%

If Rush is correct about a percieved movie relationship between the candidate and the villain, then Romney shouldn't have worked at a company with a name nearly identical to one with the definition of 1) A cause of great distress or annoyance 2) Something, typically poison, that causes death.
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Uh...........the villians name is spelled Bane, not Bain. And the Bane villian first appeared in Batman: Vengeance of Bane #1 (January 1993). So, Rush is wrong again, as usual.
 
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Bakunin said:
Let's say the same thing happens in the energy sector. Let's say that all but one of the American majors make massive blunders and are in danger of going under. Should the government intervene and prop them up too? Or how about big pharm? Where does the line get drawn?

Don't you see the inherent problem with this line of logic that we "have" to prop companies up?

Just because GM and Chrysler would have been flushed down the toilet doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things. The American auto market is still there, and other companies would certainly step in to snap up the market share. Foreign auto makers already have many plants in this country, so the line between foreign and domestic has already been blurred considerably. What difference does it make in the end if the big three are doing it or if somebody like Toyota or Honda or Mercedes is? A company is a company regardless of its parent country. Perhaps some die, but the industry still exists.
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I disagree and believe that auto and financial bailouts were very important. There has been only one time since the depression that bailouts were necessary...and that was in the financial crisis of 09 when layoffs were in the 10s of thousands per company across all industries and the market was dropping 500 pts a day. Who knows what a fresh 100 thousands jobless enter the unemployed and contribute zero taxes going foward would mean. Its always easy to second guess as the action occurred and the marketplace has successfully stablized. Does that mean that we bail out other industries? Doesn't matter as it wasn't needed. Going forward...there's no evidence it will be done unless we're again facing a multigenerational economic cliff.

I'm not going to spend any time arguing it though as its largely speculation of what might have happened.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Rush is claiming that Dark Knights villain Bane was a deliberate attempt to slander Romney during an election year. This is quite a stretch as the screenplay was written two years ago and at that time, Romney's chances of nomination had to be somewhere south of 30%

If Rush is correct about a percieved movie relationship between the candidate and the villain, then Romney shouldn't have worked at a company with a name nearly identical to one with the definition of 1) A cause of great distress or annoyance 2) Something, typically poison, that causes death.
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uhhh... Think about your first three words there before letting the rest of this bother you too much. He's just trying to come up with something bizarre enough to get repeated on an internet message board so more people will get their undergarments all twisted up in a knot and tune in to share in the outrage.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Uh...........the villians name is spelled Bane, not Bain. And the Bane villian first appeared in Batman: Vengeance of Bane #1 (January 1993). So, Rush is wrong again, as usual.
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No, the writers of the Batman comics knew the future and called him Bane because they knew that in 20 years the Republican nominee for president would be the recently-named CEO of Bain Capital. Do you think it's just a coincidence that Batman wears a black uniform and drives a black car? They really are prescient.

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http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/arpaio-obama-probe-finds-national-security-threat/ Really not sure how no one has posted this yet... Not that it REALLY matters considering that damage is already done, but.... The most troubling fact of the story is this - Hawaii provides easy access to a birth certificate, even if the child wasn’t born in the state.

Under Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8, a person only has to be an established resident of Hawaii, not necessarily a U.S. citizen, and pay taxes there for one year to be able to register an out-of-state or foreign-born person with an official Hawaii birth certificate.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/arpaio-obama-probe-finds-national-security-threat/
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Please make sure Romney has this information and uses it in TV ads. Maybe he can also use it in the debate! Really hammer this issue home.
 
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5mn_Major said:
How is it that so many on the right totally misunderstood what the president said? Is it that they didn't take ten seconds to read more or the point of the passage, that they truly don't read/understand well period or that its all down to dishonesty and politics as usual?
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The old question about rightwing talking points: "cynical, evil, or just plain dumb?" We should have little emoticons for Rove, Cheney, and Dubya to represent the triune nature of far right rhetoric. :p

For the record I ascribe this one to cynical. I don't think there's anybody out there who actually believes what they're saying about Obama's quote, but it fits their pre-fab narrative about any Dem so throw it out there and hope it sticks. This is a repeat of "clutching their guns and Bibles." Pure political opportunism by the hacks.
 
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Priceless said:
No, the writers of the Batman comics knew the future and called him Bane because they knew that in 20 years the Republican nominee for president would be the recently-named CEO of Bain Capital. Do you think it's just a coincidence that Batman wears a black uniform and drives a black car? They really are prescient.


Please make sure Romney has this information and uses it in TV ads. Maybe he can also use it in the debate! Really hammer this issue home.
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Obama using that time machine of his again. That rat bastard.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I don't necessarily disagree, but I think the end result would have been devastating.
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Why? A couple of inefficient companies go belly-up and file for bankruptcy. The unemployment rate goes up a bit. It's called a recession, and these things happen in recessions - except of course when big government steps in and decides to use our tax dollars to guarantee outcomes for companies it likes.
Either way we need to put some structure in place where we never bail out anyone again.
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Good luck with that one. Big companies will continue failing in the future as they have in the past. If they are sufficiently connected politically via their campaign donations and/or they have a politically important voting bloc as employees (such as labor unions), politicians will certainly feel compelled to step in and offer a helping hand at the rest of our expense.
 
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5mn_Major said:
How is it that so many on the right totally misunderstood what the president said? Is it that they didn't take ten seconds to read more or the point of the passage, that they truly don't read/understand well period or that its all down to dishonesty and politics as usual?
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While I can't speak for people on the right, I did read the entire passage and I did "get it." It seems you misread what I said: i very clearly did not attribute it to "dishonesty and politics as usual," what I actually said was that Obama shows unusual candor during his unscripted moments, during which he reveals what he actually thinks (after which I contrasted his candor when speaking "off-script" to the pablum he dispenses when reading from the teleprompter).

In my full quote, I thought I made it clear that people who build things use tools they acquire from others....in other words, "you build that by using things others built before you." that is very different from what Obama said.

He even gets his history wrong. "suppose everyone had their own fire department? that would be impractical." Maybe so, but that is exactly how fire departments started, private citizens banded together and formed subscriptions to pay for a group service. Private fire departments pre-date municipal fire departments by decades.

Obama seems to think that association through government is the only form of social organization that exists. The idea of voluntary association seems foreign to him; everything is compulsion and only compulsion to him. "If people aren't forced to do it then it won't get done." That is not part of the American tradition in which many of us were raised. Many of us belong to civic associations that watch out for people in the community more effectively than any government program ever possibly can.
 
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FreshFish said:
While I can't speak for people on the right, I did read the entire passage and I did "get it." It seems you misread what I said: i very clearly did not attribute it to "dishonesty and politics as usual," what I actually said was that Obama shows unusual candor during his unscripted moments, during which he reveals what he actually thinks (after which I contrasted his candor when speaking "off-script" to the pablum he dispenses when reading from the teleprompter).

In my full quote, I thought I made it clear that people who build things use tools they acquire from others....in other words, "you build that by using things others built before you." that is very different from what Obama said.
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Actually I didn't say that you said anything as you were quite vague. I was referring to many that incorrectly believe that Obama said that business owners didn't build their own business.

What did you think Obama said then?

FreshFish said:
He even gets his history wrong. "suppose everyone had their own fire department? that would be impractical." Maybe so, but that is exactly how fire departments started, private citizens banded together and formed subscriptions to pay for a group service. Private fire departments pre-date municipal fire departments by decades.
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Now this is where the misinterpretation comes in. He didn't get history wrong as he didn't make any claims about what has happened in the past. His claim was a simple one...that it is not feasible for everyone to have a fire dept, which is true. It may seem like a 'no duh'...but he's making a larger point.

FreshFish said:
Obama seems to think that association through government is the only form of social organization that exists. The idea of voluntary association seems foreign to him; everything is compulsion and only compulsion to him. "If people aren't forced to do it then it won't get done." That is not part of the American tradition in which many of us were raised. Many of us belong to civic associations that watch out for people in the community more effectively than any government program ever possibly can.
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And this is where the misinterpretation continues. He didn't say that govt is the only form of social organization nor do we have any reason to believe that this passage alludes to it being true. Roads were in fact built by the government and education was in fact conducted by the government. Credit is in fact due there.

Now a discussion of private vs. public execution of public goods is a different discussion. In the case of education, if private education is better than public...let the marketplace decide (where markeshare of private education is nothing spectacular).

A slight tangent (which always gets me in trouble on these boards)...remember civic associations means money will follow those associations. So NYC and Minneapolis would have gold plated roads. Upstate NY or rural MN would likely just have to do without any.

Enough rambling should get productive today. :)
 
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FreshFish said:
While I can't speak for people on the right,
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Yes you can. :)

I did read the entire passage and I did "get it." It seems you misread what I said: i very clearly did not attribute it to "dishonesty and politics as usual," what I actually said was that Obama shows unusual candor during his unscripted moments, during which he reveals what he actually thinks (after which I contrasted his candor when speaking "off-script" to the pablum he dispenses when reading from the teleprompter).
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Oh, you were complimenting him.
Man, whenever he goes off-script, he reveals what he truly thinks, and it's not the dandified edifice he tries to pretend it is when the teleprompter is running.
I must have misread what you wrote, because it sure sounded like you were taking a shot at him.

In my full quote, I thought I made it clear that people who build things use tools they acquire from others....in other words, "you build that by using things others built before you." that is very different from what Obama said.
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No, that isn't remotely what you said.

He even gets his history wrong. "suppose everyone had their own fire department? that would be impractical." Maybe so, but that is exactly how fire departments started, private citizens banded together and formed subscriptions to pay for a group service. Private fire departments pre-date municipal fire departments by decades.
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And that was impractical, so Obama was correct, was he not?

Obama seems to think that association through government is the only form of social organization that exists. The idea of voluntary association seems foreign to him; everything is compulsion and only compulsion to him. "If people aren't forced to do it then it won't get done." That is not part of the American tradition in which many of us were raised. Many of us belong to civic associations that watch out for people in the community more effectively than any government program ever possibly can.
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But the government provides a safety net for those who aren't helped by civic organizations. Or do you think those organizations "watch out" for everyone? And how do you define watching out for people? Providing food? Shelter? Training for a new job? Child care? Medical care? Psychiatric care? Pharmaceutical care? What is your definition?

And when did he say that "If people aren't forced to do it then it won't get done"? I assume he said it because you have quotation marks around it.
 
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Bakunin said:
Why? A couple of inefficient companies go belly-up and file for bankruptcy. The unemployment rate goes up a bit. It's called a recession, and these things happen in recessions - except of course when big government steps in and decides to use our tax dollars to guarantee outcomes for companies it likes.

Good luck with that one. Big companies will continue failing in the future as they have in the past. If they are sufficiently connected politically via their campaign donations and/or they have a politically important voting bloc as employees (such as labor unions), politicians will certainly feel compelled to step in and offer a helping hand at the rest of our expense.
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You seem really hung up on this, like Romney. Make the case for not doing the bank bailout then. If you can make that case then I will agree with you that GM/Chrysler should have been cut loose.
 
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