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Elections 2012 -- Kull Wahad!!!

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Just curious, why do you think it would take a little longer to go bankrupt with Obama? I'd tend to think the other way, given Obama's spending habits and the difficulty of getting new taxes approved.

could be. probably you're right. I was trying to forecast how it would go if either candidate got what they claim they want: Romney would try to keep military and every other kind of spending sky high while cutting taxes a la GW Bush. Obama would at least try to raise taxes to cover some of those bills. right?
 
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could be. probably you're right. I was trying to forecast how it would go if either candidate got what they claim they want: Romney would try to keep military and every other kind of spending sky high while cutting taxes a la GW Bush. Obama would at least try to raise taxes to cover some of those bills. right?
The way things are, I don't expect any cuts or increases in taxes, other than how the on-going Bush tax cuts get extended or not, which is anyone's guess. So, to me the revenue side doesn't change dramatically either way, though Obama could sneak through some tax/penalty increases in some way so there might be a little more revenue with him in office. But, on the spending side, I expect Romney to be at least not quite as bad as Obama at overspending, so on net, I'd give Romney a bit of an edge, though with either one I expect our nation's financial standing to continue deteriorating at a frightening pace. I just see it deteriorating a little quicker with Obama than Romney. But, I don't expect either to subtantively deal with the issues that should be dealt with.
 
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The way things are, I don't expect any cuts or increases in taxes, other than how the on-going Bush tax cuts get extended or not, which is anyone's guess. So, to me the revenue side doesn't change dramatically either way, though Obama could sneak through some tax/penalty increases in some way so there might be a little more revenue with him in office. But, on the spending side, I expect Romney to be at least not quite as bad as Obama at overspending, so on net, I'd give Romney a bit of an edge, though with either one I expect our nation's financial standing to continue deteriorating at a frightening pace. I just see it deteriorating a little quicker with Obama than Romney. But, I don't expect either to subtantively deal with the issues that should be dealt with.

Given what happened with the debt limit, we'll see a deal made around Christmas.
 
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Given what happened with the debt limit, we'll see a deal made around Christmas.
But even a deal will likely be of dubious value for addressing the runaway train of federal spending, as it'll likely push harder cuts/choices well out into the future in typical fed fashion.
 
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But even a deal will likely be of dubious value for addressing the runaway train of federal spending, as it'll likely push harder cuts/choices well out into the future in typical fed fashion.

I believe the group "Bus Stop" had an appropriate term for this:

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Given what happened with the debt limit, we'll see a deal made around Christmas.
When is the last possible date to have a deal done? Because I don't expect anybody to even begin seriously negotiating until about 72 hours before that.
 
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To be honest, even though I'm a conservative, I'm voting for Obama partly because I'm so sick and tired of the Republicans' mode of political discourse:

"Mitt Romney has to win for the sake of the very idea of America. Mitt Romney has to win for liberty and freedom."
—RNC chairman Reince Priebus

Not that I think it'll change anytime soon.
 
Re: Elections 2012 -- Kull Wahad!!!

To be honest, even though I'm a conservative, I'm voting for Obama partly because I'm so sick and tired of the Republicans' mode of political discourse:

"Mitt Romney has to win for the sake of the very idea of America. Mitt Romney has to win for liberty and freedom."
—RNC chairman Reince Priebus

Not that I think it'll change anytime soon.

So you're voting negatively? This is why I'm headed third party.
 
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To be honest, even though I'm a conservative, I'm voting for Obama partly because I'm so sick and tired of the Republicans' mode of political discourse:

"Mitt Romney has to win for the sake of the very idea of America. Mitt Romney has to win for liberty and freedom."
—RNC chairman Reince Priebus

Not that I think it'll change anytime soon.
So you like the Democrats mode of political discourse? :eek:

It's lousy on both sides of the aisle.
 
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So, to me the revenue side doesn't change dramatically either way
I think the revenue side increases significantly, not because of any particular policy, but simply because of regression as we climb out of the recession trough.

federal-government-revenues-850.jpg


Running a straight trend line through that graph, including the dip, looks like revenue is "artificially" depressed by about $.6T.
 
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To be honest, even though I'm a conservative, I'm voting for Obama partly because I'm so sick and tired of the Republicans' mode of political discourse:

"Mitt Romney has to win for the sake of the very idea of America. Mitt Romney has to win for liberty and freedom."
—RNC chairman Reince Priebus

Not that I think it'll change anytime soon.
Does that mean you love the Dems political discourse? ooh, ooh Mitt is rich, therefore he's a scumbag. he knows the Koch brothers, what a pig, etc etc.
 
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Does that mean you love the Dems political discourse? ooh, ooh Mitt is rich, therefore he's a scumbag. he knows the Koch brothers, what a pig, etc etc.

don't forget racist
 
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Does that mean you love the Dems political discourse? ooh, ooh Mitt is rich, therefore he's a scumbag. he knows the Koch brothers, what a pig, etc etc.

not at all. I'm saying the Republicans are almost just as bad, and we have every reason to expect them to be more classy than the Democrats. It's disappointing that they've fallen into the same hole.

In the same way that we should be able to expect the Republican candidate to be more conservative, when in reality either one would spend just as much.
 
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I think the revenue side increases significantly, not because of any particular policy, but simply because of regression as we climb out of the recession trough.

federal-government-revenues-850.jpg


Running a straight trend line through that graph, including the dip, looks like revenue is "artificially" depressed by about $.6T.
Without discussing the merits of that graph, which I have some concerns with, you yourself say it would naturally move as shown in the graph, not as a result of any policy. So, on that basis, it would roughly move like that under either Romney or Obama, as you've laid this out. So, you agree with me.
 
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