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Elections 2012 -- Kull Wahad!!!

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geezer said:
awwww it's so darn CUTE how you're all behind yer guy 100% in all this. Of COURSE "community organizer" just like real work. Of course it is. You keep the faith baby. :)
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Have you ever done it?
 
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Although she has said no way...here's my thoughts on VP posted last month:

"Romney has a solid business background and could be believed when he says he understands the economy. He has the older white male vote. On the other hand, Condi is savvy on Washington, govt workings, international affairs and security. Condi fills the gaps that Mitt has. She's experienced and pragmatic. She's smarter than half the people on this board...combined. She's a moderate...entering into a battle for independents. And she's has huge name recognition and is very popular. Sorry but a young inexperienced ideologue won't serve Romney or if elected the country.

Frankly until there's any other VP recommended...there's really no argument."

From Drudge:

ROMNEY NARROWS VP CHOICES; CONDI EMERGES AS FRONTRUNNER
Thu Jul 12 2012 19:30:01 ET

**Exclusive**

Late Thursday evening, Mitt Romney's presidential campaign launched a new fundraising drive, 'Meet The VP' -- just as Romney himself has narrowed the field of candidates to a handful, sources reveal.

And a surprise name is now near the top of the list: Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice!

The timing of the announcement is now set for 'coming weeks'.

MORE

It was Condi who received two standing ovations at Romney's Utah retreat a few weeks ago, and everyone left with her name on their lips.

Rice made an extended argument for American leadership in the world.

In recent days, she emailed supporters:

"2012 is perhaps a turning point for the United States."

"The upcoming elections loom as one of the most important in my lifetime," she warned. "I'm very often asked to speak about our current foreign policy and the challenges that lie before us. However, we, as a country, are not going to be able to address any of those international challenges unless we first get our domestic house in order."

Developing...
 
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5mn_Major said:
....ROMNEY NARROWS VP CHOICES; CONDI EMERGES AS FRONTRUNNER

Late Thursday evening, Mitt Romney's presidential campaign launched a new fundraising drive, 'Meet The VP' -- just as Romney himself has narrowed the field of candidates to a handful, sources reveal.

And a surprise name is now near the top of the list: Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice!
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It was Condi who received two standing ovations at Romney's Utah retreat a few weeks ago, and everyone left with her name on their lips.

Rice made an extended argument for American leadership in the world.

In recent days, she emailed supporters:

"2012 is perhaps a turning point for the United States."
"The upcoming elections loom as one of the most important in my lifetime," she warned. "I'm very often asked to speak about our current foreign policy and the challenges that lie before us. However, we, as a country, are not going to be able to address any of those international challenges unless we first get our domestic house in order."
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I've heard several conservative blacks who said that "of course I voted for Obama in 2008, and of course it was because he is half-black....don't be stupid! How often in my lifetime will I ever have a chance like that? What would I say to my grandchildren? No one criticized Catholics for voting for Kennedy in 1960 merely because he was Catholic! On the other hand, if Condi Rice or Colin Powell had been John McCain's running mate, then naturally I would have voted for McCain."

I have to give Romney props for walking into the lion's den by speaking to the NAACP. Part of his message: the Democrats take you for granted, and look at how they've repaid you with the results of their policies: blacks have suffered more than the rest of society since Obama was elected.

Hmm....Democrats take you for granted....and then the next day, Obama doesn't even attend their convention, he sends Biden instead.

Overall I'd prefer Rubio, it sounds like he has taken himself out of consideration however.

Romney had a good message, (for those who haven't read what he actually said, it's worth a quick scan), just at the wrong forum. If he takes that same speech to other all-black venues, he'll get a much warmer reception, the NAACP stopped carrying about ordinary blacks a long time ago, similar to the way that AARP sold out retired people in exchange for becoming a vendor of Medicare supplement insurance policies.
 
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Priceless said:
So you don't consider community organizing to be work? Fascinating concept.
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It's "work" in the same way that being an executive suit and shaking hands is, or managing people is. That can certainly be exhausting, and it is challenging (there is a big difference between doing it well and poorly), but at the end of the day it's attending meetings all day -- it doesn't create anything of tangible value, it helps others do that.
 
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Priceless said:
Have you ever done it?
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I have, but not in the way you think; I think you have a much more specific idea of "community organizing" than is necessarily implied by the name. Similarly, I've been in charge of "fundraising" but it was when I was in 6th grade going door-to-door with a cardboard Tom-Wat case. So if you were a community organizer at a level of commitment and responsibility on par with a job, I apologize for disparaging that work. Probably, someone should be doing that work in some times and places that require it for whatever reason.
 
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Bakunin said:
They're the same thing for most people. :p
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My current job is actually the first one I've ever had where I looked forward to coming in on Monday, and it took 15 years of working to get here, so I well believe you're right.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
The rumor is that Romney has some tax returns where he paid zero taxes.
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So do I .... from about 30 years ago!

Sounds like Romney is merely being a solid, law-abiding citizen.

Justice Learned Hand: Any one may so arrange his affairs that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which will best pay the Treasury; there is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes.
Helvering v. Gregory, 69 F.2d 809, 810-11 (2d Cir. 1934).
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
The rumor is that Romney has some tax returns where he paid zero taxes.
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Source?

Well-written opinion piece concerning the general descent of politics into corporate ethics during the current Age of Greed.

While local businessmen have historically tended towards more upstanding behavior (possibly because having to deal with your neighbors directly, after screwing them, does not lend itself to a long or prosperous life), the largest business institutions have almost always held to the rule that they are allowed to do whatever they are allowed to do, and more to the point, they are also allowed to do all the things they are not allowed to do so long as they don't get caught. Or so long as the repercussions for doing so are less significant than the profits to be made.

What seems to have happened of late is that more of that behavior has, for perhaps obvious reasons, shifted into the political sphere. Political figures who seem to care honestly about helping their communities, as opposed to ones merely willing to pay lip service to the premise, are more often considered sentimentalists or rubes. There used to at least be the rosy premise that some of the people seeking to lead government would be in it to make America a better place, but the definition of better place now consists almost entirely of what the same captains of finance and industry (a.k.a., the crooks, as per above) believe would make it better. It isn't just notions of caring for the poor and the sick that are now scoffed at as socialistic functions of government; even re-paving community roads is met with skepticism and hostility. And in Congress, the standard of behavior has steadily declined from the level of what should be done to what is the lowest level that can be gotten away with.
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Edit: beautifully underlined by FF's comment below. He couldn't have illustrated the point better.
 
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FreshFish said:
So do I .... from about 30 years ago!

Sounds like Romney is merely being a solid, law-abiding citizen.

Justice Learned Hand: Any one may so arrange his affairs that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which will best pay the Treasury; there is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes.
Helvering v. Gregory, 69 F.2d 809, 810-11 (2d Cir. 1934).
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No. Not from about 30 years ago. There's a reason he's not submitting his tax forms (like his father did) and this is coming up as one of the reasons.
 
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I think the tax return issue is stupid. However I don't get why he just doesn't release them and call it a day. If its true that he paid no taxes some years, which wouldn't be an extraordinary thing since his money I believe is made from capital gains and if he suffered any losses on investments he'd be able to claim no tax penalty some years, I don't think this is going to change too many minds about him. Romney's not a likeable guy. His electoral fortunes rest solely on the economy getting worse. Dump the things off on a Friday afternoon while the media is already out drinking and be done with it.

EDIT: If Romney didn't pay taxes in 2 out of 10 years but paid 50M the other years that's not a problem. If he didn't pay taxes for 7 out of the 10 years that's a big problem.
 
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Rover said:
I think the tax return issue is stupid. However I don't get why he just doesn't release them and call it a day. If its true that he paid no taxes some years, which wouldn't be an extraordinary thing since his money I believe is made from capital gains and if he suffered any losses on investments he'd be able to claim no tax penalty some years, I don't think this is going to change too many minds about him. Romney's not a likeable guy. His electoral fortunes rest solely on the economy getting worse. Dump the things off on a Friday afternoon while the media is already out drinking and be done with it.

EDIT: If Romney didn't pay taxes in 2 out of 10 years but paid 50M the other years that's not a problem. If he didn't pay taxes for 7 out of the 10 years that's a big problem.
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It's never the act, it's the coverup. There's a coverup going on here.
 
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Rover said:
I think the tax return issue is stupid. However I don't get why he just doesn't release them and call it a day. If its true that he paid no taxes some years, which wouldn't be an extraordinary thing since his money I believe is made from capital gains and if he suffered any losses on investments he'd be able to claim no tax penalty some years, I don't think this is going to change too many minds about him. Romney's not a likeable guy. His electoral fortunes rest solely on the economy getting worse. Dump the things off on a Friday afternoon while the media is already out drinking and be done with it.
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You know the answer to that: optics. The Romney campaign has to do everything in their power between now and election to hide just how different Romney's reality is from the vast majority of Americans'. People do not trust candidates who haven't shared their experiences. As you said, Romney already comes across as a spoiled preppy date rapist, and this directly exacerbates that image problem.
 
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Kepler said:
It's "work" in the same way that being an executive suit and shaking hands is, or managing people is. That can certainly be exhausting, and it is challenging (there is a big difference between doing it well and poorly), but at the end of the day it's attending meetings all day -- it doesn't create anything of tangible value, it helps others do that.
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Interesting. I wish I'd had that job. I didn't get to go to a single meeting when I was a community organizer. I feel cheated.

geezer said:
I have, but not in the way you think; I think you have a much more specific idea of "community organizing" than is necessarily implied by the name. Similarly, I've been in charge of "fundraising" but it was when I was in 6th grade going door-to-door with a cardboard Tom-Wat case. So if you were a community organizer at a level of commitment and responsibility on par with a job, I apologize for disparaging that work. Probably, someone should be doing that work in some times and places that require it for whatever reason.
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Why would I possibly think you're disparaging the job when you compare it to raising money in the 6th grade?

I'm sorry you all assume community organizing isn't a "real job." I'll just assume that none of you have "real jobs" either.
 
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Priceless said:
Interesting. I wish I'd had that job. I didn't get to go to a single meeting when I was a community organizer. I feel cheated.
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So let me get this straight. You're saying that those of us who didn't do that job don't know what we're talking about and you, who did do that job, do know what you're talking about?

Well I'm sorry but Cafe best practices prevent me from seeing the logic in that position.
 
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