East Regional - 3/25 and 3/26 - UMD, Yale, Union and Air Force

[UMDBulldogHockeyIsKing]

Re: East Regional - 3/25 and 3/26 - UMD, Yale, Union and Air Force

tUMD outplayed Yale. Even on the Yale 5x3, tUMD shut that down (with some luck, I do admit). In the 3rd, when tUMD turtled for the first 12 minutes, and Yale scored 2, tUMD decided to press again, and ran the show until game's end.

Yale wasn't embarrassed like BC last night, but they were beat through and through. They have a good team......for an EZAC team. tUMD was the 4th best WCHA team in the tourney, btw.

You could make the argument that CC was playing better hockey than tUMD leading up to the tournament, although that point has been rendered moot.

 

[The Rube]

Re: East Regional - 3/25 and 3/26 - UMD, Yale, Union and Air Force

You could make the argument that CC was playing better hockey than tUMD leading up to the tournament, although that point has been rendered moot.

And the general consensus is that CC is not a good team, but they are streaky as hell. Looks like the best team in the country one night, and like MTU the next. See: this weekend.

 

[cornellgradyalefan]

Re: East Regional - 3/25 and 3/26 - UMD, Yale, Union and Air Force

Already seeing the expected Yale was overrated comments. But let's look at the game objectively. First period Yale launches 34 shots, 14 on goal, had a 5 on 3 and gets nothing for it. Worse yet, in pressing to gain the advantage in the O zone, they get a shot blocked which leads to 2 on 1 and a UMD goal. We saw in both games at HY that packing it and getting in the shooting lanes is effective against a finesse team like Yale who lacks the size in their skilled players to get and stay low and cause confusion in front of the net. Not scoring in the first was a huge problem for Yale.

Second period Rondeau lets in a soft goal for 2-0 and a very effective PP for UMD results in a sort of soft goal when Rondeau cheats to the week side anticipating the pass across and in so doing leaves the near post open where Jack Connelly buries it. At this point this Yale fan was thinking oh no we have to do something to slow this momentum or we're cooked. UMD takes a penalty and our PP results in a one timer blast by O'Neill that gets it back to 3-1, and more importantly, gets the momentum back on the Yale side. Then 8 seconds later the momentum is gone as O'Neill and a UMD player, I think it was Hendrickson, collide at center ice, Hendrickson goes down and O'Neill goes to the box. But wait, instead of a 2 minute penalty it's a 5 minute major and a game misconduct. I saw the replay at least 6 times. I see O'Neill's arm and elbow fly up after the hit is made chest to chest. Because the hit was chest to chest and Hendrickson was falling back, head contact is impossible. But the ref, in his infinite wisdom, sees that which wasn't there, and decides the outcome of the game right then and there. UMD scores another PP goal, and then for good measure another penalty that wasn't there was called against Yale for boarding on Jaskowiak resulting in a 5 on 3 and another PP goal.

Now, you may dispute that the O'Neill penalty decided the game. After all, UMD was ahead 3-1 at that point. What is undeniable, however, is that the ref made a radical call when a conservative one was in order and inserted himself directly into the outcome of the game in a way that should never happen. We will never know what would have happened without the egregious call, but we do know that it destroyed Yale's momentum, put them on the PK for 5 minutes, and cost them their best player. I think any team, whether over or under rated would have a hard time overcoming that travesty of officiating.

Now let me give credit where credit is due. Reiter was terrific in the 1st. He turned away 14 shots and kept Yale off the board. That was huge. The Connelly-Connelly-Fontaine line is fantastic (they had 9 of UMD's 13 points and were dominant on the PP). UMD's defensive game plan was perfect in neutralizing Yale's speed and precision passing.

Good luck to UMD. They were the better team and deserved to win. But the ref handcuffed Yale with the O'Neill call and had a much bigger effect on the outcome than any official should have. And the smiles on the faces of two of the officials when they came out for the 3rd period and the boos rained down on them was disgraceful.

 

[Dirty]

Re: East Regional - 3/25 and 3/26 - UMD, Yale, Union and Air Force

Since getting beat by a second tier WCHA team wasn't enough for some Yale fans let's have the winner of the DU-UND game tomorrow play Yale too. Then the Bulldoggies can be really smacked around playing a top tier WCHA team. And since losing O'Neill was such a huge blow to Yale, UND would have to play without Frattin and DU would have to play without Zucker. You know just to make it fair.

 

[tbodin23]

Re: East Regional - 3/25 and 3/26 - UMD, Yale, Union and Air Force

Good luck to UMD. They were the better team and deserved to win. But the ref handcuffed Yale with the O'Neill call and had a much bigger effect on the outcome than any official should have. And the smiles on the faces of two of the officials when they came out for the 3rd period and the boos rained down on them was disgraceful.

Agree with the comments above. Huge (terrible) call which basically ended it, although you could say that if Yale was really a top team they needed to kill off that penalty.

 

[HoosierBBall_GopherHockey]

Re: East Regional - 3/25 and 3/26 - UMD, Yale, Union and Air Force

Yawn again. Yale fans apparently moan about the refs more than UND fans. Yale had no chance tonight. UMD was clearly better in every aspect of the game.

Sidenote: Yes, I am a Minnesota fan. I don't need any stupid comments about Minnesota not making the tournament.

 

[DartmouthIndian]

Re: East Regional - 3/25 and 3/26 - UMD, Yale, Union and Air Force

I just dont see how UMD outclassed Yale - Yale dominated the first 10 minutes - then UMD spent 6 in the box, which obviously allowed Yale to pressure, then Yale picked up 15 minutes of penalties over the next 18 minutes ! It was the twilight zone. It wasnt like Yale took penalties dragging down guys headed for scoring opps. UMDs PP was lethal I agree. Total studs. But as a fan looking for a good game, I just felt like the refs destroyed the game. The only relevant 5on5 action took place in the first. The 2nd was all chopped up by the refs and 3rd was irrelevant.

 

[The Rube]

Re: East Regional - 3/25 and 3/26 - UMD, Yale, Union and Air Force

Ok, objectively? tUMD outplayed Yale until the first string of penalties in the first (about 5 minutes or so, IIRC not digging up the boxscore).

During the Yale PPs, Reiter did have some amazing moments, along with tUMD's D. However, as you said, the 2 on 1 goal was a breakdown by Yale.

In the 2nd tUMD continued to pressure Yale, and took a 3-0 lead. Yale made a nice shot to make it 3-1. Then the penalty happened. In realtime, I'd call a 2 minute (and tUMD scored their 4th goal within those first 2 minutes to make it 4-1). Head contact was made, although it was helmet to helmet (insert NFL comment here). Upon replay, I stick to my two minute call, and agree the call that was made was a terrible one.

tUMD gets another goal to make it 5-1. Continues to outplay Yale in the 2nd.

In the 3rd, tUMD turtles, plays uberdefensive hockey (why not? They have a 4 goal lead). Yale makes it 5-3 during this time, and tUMD realizes they have to start attacking again. They do, and control the play for the last 6-7 minutes of the game. It was night and day when this switch happened.

For the record, I'm not a "Go (conference)" guy. I was cheering for tUMD today because of their fanbase and how fun they are. If Yale wasn't playing tUMD, I was kinda hoping Yale would make the F4 just to meet some Yale fans. I dunno why.

In the end, tUMD was the better team, and I honestly feel that if Yale played DU or UND, this score would not have been as close.

 

[UMDBulldogHockeyIsKing]

Re: East Regional - 3/25 and 3/26 - UMD, Yale, Union and Air Force

I just dont see how UMD outclassed Yale - Yale dominated the first 10 minutes - then UMD spent 6 in the box, which obviously allowed Yale to pressure, then Yale picked up 15 minutes of penalties over the next 18 minutes ! It was the twilight zone. It wasnt like Yale took penalties dragging down guys headed for scoring opps. UMDs PP was lethal I agree. Total studs. But as a fan looking for a good game, I just felt like the refs destroyed the game. The only relevant 5on5 action took place in the first. The 2nd was all chopped up by the refs and 3rd was irrelevant.

The officials seemed determined to inject themselves into the game all weekend long. It's not like tonight was some aberration. There were 17 powerplays in the tUMD/Union game, and then 18 powerplays tonight. That seem a little excessive for a college hockey game?

While initially, I thought the contact to the head rule was in play regardless of intent (and yes, O'Neill made contact head-to head), after going to the NCAA rulebook for the year, it does explain that the contact must be targeted, which was not the case. What should have been called was a 2 minute minor for charging, as O'Neill CLEARLY took about 5 strides to hit Hendrickson. So for you ECAC/Yale fans complaining about how you got screwed remember this: even if the call was a 2 minute minor, the first goal came right off the bat. Maybe if your team kills the penalty and doesn't surrender 2 quick goals like the French give up Paris, this is a non-issue. Or was O'Neill the only reason your team was in the tournament to begin with?

 

[Runninwiththedogs]

Re: East Regional - 3/25 and 3/26 - UMD, Yale, Union and Air Force

Wow - what an embarrassment for the NCAA and college hockey -

Giving credit where it's due, UMDs top line and special teams were dominant and they buried every chance they got, from a short handed 1st period goal to 4 PP goals in the 2nd.

Yale dominated period 1 (both 5on5 and PP) and generally dominated 5on5 throughout but by the time the refs were done ruining the game half way thru the second, nothing mattered. I thought refs let 4 or 5 marginal penalties go on UMD in the first - nothing major but they added up - i would have maybe called one - there were two trips, a hook and face mask that turned a guy's head and body. Even so Yale had several first period PPs with very good pressure, one of which lead to a 2on1 shorthanded beauty by UMD - that was painful given the lopsided play in period one. Yale's one weakness seemed to be faceoffs and that lead to a point shot PP deflection early in the 2nd to give UMD a 2 zip lead. At that point, given the all the missed calls agst UMD in the first, plus the context of a top seed trailing 2-0, I expected the refs to tread cautiously. Instead the refs sent the arena into a mix of fury and disbelief with a series of calls. A marginal hitting from behind on a penalty kill gave UMD a 5on3. Now 3-0. Yale then started hitting - they were ****ed - and within a minute an elbow penalty was called on ONeil by the ref at the other end of the ice while the other ref was just 20 feet from the play. It was as if the refs never played the game and were oblivious to the context. After Yale scored to make it 3-1, Oneil then got tagged with a 5min major. Huh ? on that kill, Yale also picked up a boarding. Again 5on3, Hello ? It's almost impossible to get a boarding call when you are short handed playing a box. Now 5-1. Mid 2nd - GAME OVER.

Yale picked up 2 to make it interesting but anything after period one was just irrelevant.

What we learned. UMD has a goalie that was the MVP. UMD has 17 guys that did nothing special but also were error free. Great job guys. And UMD has 3 guys that are lethal, especially on the PP. Yale looked much better 5on5, but we only saw that for parts of the first. After the refs took over, most of the action was pointless. I do wonder if Allain would, in retrospect, have called a TO after the 3-0 lead. The whole place was shocked and I wonder if his players needed a mental reload. As for the major on ONeil, it seems relevant that he got the elbow call just before - perhaps he needed to cool down. Very few saw the hit and at the point in the second they stopped showing arena replays of all the atrocious calls. The place was livid, but a more aggressive crowd would have littered the ice.

Too bad bc it would have been fun to watch a hockey game, not 20 minutes of hockey, plus 20min of BS, plus 20 of Yale saving face.

You're not even describing the game correctly. There was only ONE 6x4 advantage for tUMD and it was during the major penalty. O'Neill was called for an elbow about a minute after BERGMAN's goal. tUMD did not score on that power play, and then The One Who Played Professional Hockey took the roughing the goaltender penalty, after which Jack Connolly scored, 6x5. O'Neill charged Jake Hendrickson and while he did not hit him in the head with his elbow he head-butted him with his helmet. I was surprised that they made they call they did, but tUMD scored 20 seconds into the power play, which would have happened whether it had been a 2 or a 5.

 

[Runninwiththedogs]

Re: East Regional - 3/25 and 3/26 - UMD, Yale, Union and Air Force

I just dont see how UMD outclassed Yale - Yale dominated the first 10 minutes - then UMD spent 6 in the box, which obviously allowed Yale to pressure, then Yale picked up 15 minutes of penalties over the next 18 minutes ! It was the twilight zone. It wasnt like Yale took penalties dragging down guys headed for scoring opps. UMDs PP was lethal I agree. Total studs. But as a fan looking for a good game, I just felt like the refs destroyed the game. The only relevant 5on5 action took place in the first. The 2nd was all chopped up by the refs and 3rd was irrelevant.

Well, Stevie Wonder, then wait til the game comes out in Braille and you'll "see."

 

[Zim]

Re: East Regional - 3/25 and 3/26 - UMD, Yale, Union and Air Force

. Or was O'Neill the only reason your team was in the tournament to begin with?

No, they also played in the ECAC and coasted to the top seed due to an EZ schedule.

Frozen Four Baby!!!

 

[DartmouthIndian]

Re: East Regional - 3/25 and 3/26 - UMD, Yale, Union and Air Force

Regarding your assessment of the first period, Id have to watch the replay - perhaps I was drunk on hot chocolate (since no beer in the arena) ! The shots in the first were 14-6 Yale. The first penalty was on Yale at 1023, then UMD picked up 3 calls. Then Yale was in the box for the last minute. The best scoring chance of the first was the SH 2-1 goal. But 5on5 was clearly controlled by Yale in the first 10 minutes - if you see it the other way, maybe I was watching another game. I recall thinking that Yale was bringing better pressure than agst AFA. UMD had almost no pressure (too much cocoa ?) and was outshot and outzoned, ex the PPs. They were VERY lucky to end the first up 1-0. After the first, the game was a farce. I agree UMD controlled the second. Recall that yale had 5 minors and 1 major - 15 min - of penalties over the next 18 minutes. No wonder they controlled the second. But as in the first I didnt see 5on5 dominance from UMD. The 5on5 goal was a clean face-off win, a shot from the point, a screen and a deflection. A good play, but did not stem from controlling the action. Again, I wanted to see 5on5. Based on what I saw over two days, thou shalt not give UMD PPs and expect to win. 5 PP goals and 1 SH goal in a weekend is friggin great stuff !

 

[MagnessMan]

Re: East Regional - 3/25 and 3/26 - UMD, Yale, Union and Air Force

Regarding your assessment of the first period, Id have to watch the replay - perhaps I was drunk on hot chocolate (since no beer in the arena) ! The shots in the first were 14-6 Yale. The first penalty was on Yale at 1023, then UMD picked up 3 calls. Then Yale was in the box for the last minute. The best scoring chance of the first was the SH 2-1 goal. But 5on5 was clearly controlled by Yale in the first 10 minutes - if you see it the other way, maybe I was watching another game. I recall thinking that Yale was bringing better pressure than agst AFA. UMD had almost no pressure (too much cocoa ?) and was outshot and outzoned, ex the PPs. They were VERY lucky to end the first up 1-0. After the first, the game was a farce. I agree UMD controlled the second. Recall that yale had 5 minors and 1 major - 15 min - of penalties over the next 18 minutes. No wonder they controlled the second. But as in the first I didnt see 5on5 dominance from UMD. The 5on5 goal was a clean face-off win, a shot from the point, a screen and a deflection. A good play, but did not stem from controlling the action. Again, I wanted to see 5on5. Based on what I saw over two days, thou shalt not give UMD PPs and expect to win. 5 PP goals and 1 SH goal in a weekend is friggin great stuff !

tHAT first line is the best line in CH hands down.

 

[The Rube]

Re: East Regional - 3/25 and 3/26 - UMD, Yale, Union and Air Force

Regarding your assessment of the first period, Id have to watch the replay - perhaps I was drunk on hot chocolate (since no beer in the arena) ! The shots in the first were 14-6 Yale. The first penalty was on Yale at 1023, then UMD picked up 3 calls. Then Yale was in the box for the last minute. The best scoring chance of the first was the SH 2-1 goal. But 5on5 was clearly controlled by Yale in the first 10 minutes - if you see it the other way, maybe I was watching another game. I recall thinking that Yale was bringing better pressure than agst AFA. UMD had almost no pressure (too much cocoa ?) and was outshot and outzoned, ex the PPs. They were VERY lucky to end the first up 1-0. After the first, the game was a farce. I agree UMD controlled the second. Recall that yale had 5 minors and 1 major - 15 min - of penalties over the next 18 minutes. No wonder they controlled the second. But as in the first I didnt see 5on5 dominance from UMD. The 5on5 goal was a clean face-off win, a shot from the point, a screen and a deflection. A good play, but did not stem from controlling the action. Again, I wanted to see 5on5. Based on what I saw over two days, thou shalt not give UMD PPs and expect to win. 5 PP goals and 1 SH goal in a weekend is friggin great stuff !

I'd say 3-4 shots by Yale were quality, and overall I'm of the belief that SOG do NOT tell the story of the game, in general.

It was much more fast-paced than I expected, that's for sure. The first was close, but 5x5, I gave the edge to tUMD. I actually thought to myself "Yale is better than this, aren't they?" And yes, having PPs tend to give that team favor in play. While tUMD didn't have many clean shots, they were bringing pressure, (the clean shots thing is another thought that crossed my mind). However, I still maintain that tUMD pressured Yale more than the vice versa.

The lone tUMD goal was indeed partially luck (the setup to the shot) but mainly on Yale (how can you let that happen?!). If it was 0-0 after the first, I still envision the same result based on play.

And you are correct in one thing: you apparently should not f* with tUMD's special teams!

 

[DartmouthIndian]

Re: East Regional - 3/25 and 3/26 - UMD, Yale, Union and Air Force

You're not even describing the game correctly. There was only ONE 6x4 advantage for tUMD and it was during the major penalty. O'Neill was called for an elbow about a minute after BERGMAN's goal. tUMD did not score on that power play, and then The One Who Played Professional Hockey took the roughing the goaltender penalty, after which Jack Connolly scored, 6x5. O'Neill charged Jake Hendrickson and while he did not hit him in the head with his elbow he head-butted him with his helmet. I was surprised that they made they call they did, but tUMD scored 20 seconds into the power play, which would have happened whether it had been a 2 or a 5.

check the box - Yale had 2 boarding calls, both on short handed situations - both marginal calls as was the goaltender roughing given the situation

 

[The Rube]

Re: East Regional - 3/25 and 3/26 - UMD, Yale, Union and Air Force

check the box - Yale had 2 boarding calls, both on short handed situations - both marginal calls as was the goaltender roughing given the situation

Wow. You started off strong, and now.....man, total moran. No, I didn't spell that wrong in this case:

 

[Runninwiththedogs]

Re: East Regional - 3/25 and 3/26 - UMD, Yale, Union and Air Force

I fully believe that DartmouthIndian is a Yale fan who invented a screen name to appear "unbiased."

 

[DartmouthIndian]

Re: East Regional - 3/25 and 3/26 - UMD, Yale, Union and Air Force

Brenthoven - I agree on SOG. As for the balance of pressure, seems like the board says UMD. I give up ! And good luck in StP.

 

[The Rube]

Re: East Regional - 3/25 and 3/26 - UMD, Yale, Union and Air Force

Brenthoven - I agree on SOG. As for the balance of pressure, seems like the board says UMD. I give up ! And good luck in StP.

The only reason I "care" about tUMD is because of their fans. They are fun. Otherwise, F 'em.
Sorry that was mostly tArrogance talking. I will say tUMD is the only team (due to actual school or fanbase) that I don't either hate or don't care about.