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Dump Term 2, 1.01: Sleep Now in the Fire

https://www.liberalcurrents.com/a-disease-of-affluence/

The median US household income is $80,000. By most estimates, the median Trump voter’s is somewhat higher. This would be considered upper-middle class in most of Europe and upper-class in most of the world.

The country has recovered much faster than any peer nation from covid. It has pursued an aggressive full-employment, pro-labor economic policy that has seen rising wages, particularly at the bottom. The theory that growing income would overtake price increases, and inflation would be managed to a ‘soft landing’, has been clearly validated.

All this provides some context for why the poverty narrative was so easy to revert to for many. Also, I think it’s comforting: It validates people’s priors—it turns out all we needed to do was implement the exact policies they happened to favour anyway! It also lets us sidestep harder conversations (to which I will return). As much as anything though, it’s a morality play, one that emerges from our implicit frameworks and subconscious assumptions. Consider it in parallel to other explanations of the election: ‘it was a backlash to woke/cancel culture’; ‘young men are sick of feminism’, ‘the Democrats weren’t civil about Trump supporters’; and ‘Democrats shouldn’t have campaigned on trans rights.’ Notice that in all these narratives voters moving right are not granted any agency. They are just reacting to something liberals have done. As a result, liberals are implicitly assumed to bear responsibility for the outcome.

I call this ‘what did you say to make him hit you?’ politics. The implication is intentional: We tend to perceive both liberalism and the Democratic party as female-coded—the result of decades of heavily gendered use of language by conservatives. This filters into our assessment of moral responsibility (which is also gendered), in which we offer explanations for the bad behaviour of male-coded groups and shy away from direct condemnation. We are asked to ‘understand’ the perspective of those who shift to the right and cautioned against ‘dismissing’ them. Long narratives are concocted in which explanation fades into excuse.

But it isn’t true. The core of the MAGA base isn’t people who can’t afford enough $2 packs of pasta and $3 jars of tomato sauce to feed their children. I’m not saying that person doesn’t exist, but statistically they’re not representative. MAGA is someone who earns $70,000 a year and is angry that their overpriced Whole Foods costs a bit more. MAGA is someone who is angry that they might have to shift from buying their goods at a middle-class-coded supermarket to the cheaper, working-class-coded supermarket.

The American Republic has been pulled down, possibly past the point of no return, by affluent people. People who have lives their ancestors would have literally killed for. Who on average spend 10% of their pay on groceries, the lowest in the country’s history, not to mention human history. Who are lashing out at others at the slightest inconvenience, because they want to lash out at others.

Americans are prosperous, but without any deep sense of obligations to others. We are a highly commercial, individualist people, and when we let go of even a thin liberal conception of the public good, we become nasty, petty, small, vindictive and irrational. J.S. Mill, a philosopher who truly prized individual development, also warned of its dangers in isolation:

It's not that the middle-class professional family doesn’t know or care that the driver bringing them their food delivery makes what a British doctor does. I think when they are aware, they’re often quite angry about it. They like having the people who serve them be desperate. They see it as an insult that someone, in their eyes, so far beneath them is charging that much for their services. It matters little to them that they themselves earn what a British Member of Parliament does precisely because America pursued a bottom-up labor market strategy.

Abraham Lincoln prior to the Civil War argued against slavery not just on moral but economic grounds: large plantations would be displaced by free workers. A free society would be a more prosperous one. This, to slavery’s defenders, completely missed the point. John C. Calhoun, a proslavery senator, in a famous speech responded:
Can as much, on the score of equality be said of the North? With us, the two great divisions of society are not rich and poor, but White and Black; and all the former, the poor as well as the rich, belong to the upper class, and are respected... and hence have a position and pride of character which either poverty nor misfortune can deprive them.​

It wasn’t, for Calhoun, about absolute financial status, but about always having someone beneath you. This, I think, is the common impulse behind both Trump’s core support, and the marginal gains he’s made from Democrats with many groups. People use this quote to show how voters will often privilege social concerns over economic, symbolic goods over material. Clearly that is a big part of the story here: many Americans, including many non-white Americans, are deeply troubled by the prospect of a symbolically equal citizenry.
 
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Rfk jr lawyer asks judge to revoke approval for the polio vaccine

Fake News from Retardville

Aaron Siri -

The hit piece begins (and ends) with defending a certain polio vaccine, IPOL, which is not the polio vaccine of old, while playing on fear to distract from the clear safety gaps in licensing this particular product. The hit piece starts with the false claim that I “petitioned the government to revoke its approval of the polio vaccine.” Putting aside that it was actually
@ICANdecide's petition, the hit piece never once substantively addresses the reasons for the petition, which, upon reading, is plainly eminently reasonable:
https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Petition-IPOL-2022-08-23.pdf

ICAN’s petition to the FDA seeks to revoke a particular polio vaccine, IPOL, and only for infants and children and only until a proper trial is conducted, because IPOL was licensed in 1990 by Sanofi based on pediatric trials that, according to FDA, reviewed safety for only three days after injection.
https://www.fda.gov/media/75695/download

This is not “the polio vaccine” developed by Jonas Salk or Albert Sabin that most people think of. It is instead a product based on an entirely new technology, including growing the polio virus on monkey kidney cells whose chromones were modified to cause them to multiply forever, like cancer, and which ends up in the vial of each dose.

As the FDA petition itself explained, with citations: “Moreover, unlike Salk’s vaccine, the virus used in IPOL is ‘grown in vero cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells cultivated on microcarriers.’ Vero cells have modified chromosomes which cause them to multiple forever, like cancer cells. These cells are susceptible to infection by dozens of viruses, including HPV, measles, rubella, reovirus, SV40 virus, and SV-5.”
https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Petition-IPOL-2022-08-23.pdf

And as the FDA approved package insert for IPOL explains: “culture technique and improvements in purification, concentration, and standardization of poliovirus antigen produce a more potent and consistent immunogenic vaccine than the inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV) available in the US prior to 1988.”
https://www.fda.gov/media/75695/download

ICAN’s petition, filed in 2022, makes the reasonable request that the FDA, as required by federal law, require a proper clinical trial for IPOL prior to licensure. This was an eminently reasonable request and one the NYT should support and hail. After all, it claims to care about consumer rights and product safety when writing about other consumer products. But clearly not when it comes to the safety of products now injected into babies 29 times in the first year of life, up from 3 injections in 1986.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/images/schedule1983s.jpg
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/imz-schedules/child-adolescent-age.html

Assuring the safety of these injections is critical. Childhood chronic disease has exploded from less than 13% of children in the 1980s to well over 50% of children today, with most of the explosive rise occurring among immune and immune mediated diseases.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20159870/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21570014/
It is therefore reasonable to ask for proper clinical trials for childhood vaccines, almost all of which, including IPOL, were licensed between 1986 and today, and which are intended to systemically modify the immune system.

Instead of focusing on the legitimate request in the petition, the hit piece stokes fear by ironically writing that “In 2022, an unvaccinated man New York became paralyzed after contracting polio,” while failing to mention that this person was infected with the vaccine strain of polio, not the wild polio virus. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7133e2.htm
The last wild case of polio in the United States was in 1979. This hit piece also fails to mention that, as explained by the CDC, “Inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) [such as IPOL] is the only polio vaccine that has been given in the United States since 2000” and “IPV… protects people from polio disease but does not stop transmission of the virus.”

https://www.cdc.gov/poliovirus-containment/diseaseandvirus/

ICAN has also given HHS, and its agencies, including FDA, every opportunity to support the claim IPOL was properly trialed before filing its petition. It had an extensive letter exchange with HHS in 2017-2018 in which HHS could not support the safety of the childhood schedule. https://icandecide.org/article/vaccine-safety-debate/…. ICAN filed FOIA requests with FDA for the trial reports to support the safety of IPOL and the reports provided were plainly deficient to support safety. https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Petition-IPOL-2022-08-23.pdf…. ICAN also separately carefully evaluated and published regarding the available safety data. https://icandecide.org/get-informed/.

In contrast, the NYT hit piece does not cite any actual data or studies, just anecdotes and unsupported assertions. The hit piece's only response regarding the plainly deficient trial to license IPOL (which again was a novel product, using effectively cancerous cells to grow the virus), does not come from FDA, but rather from a Sanofi representative, the company that makes and profits from selling this product. He claims that there supposedly was more data that the FDA relied upon to license this product. But if that’s true, the FDA licensure documents would have been updated to reflect more than three days of safety review after injection and the FDA would have surely produced it in response to ICAN’s polio petition filed in 2022. Neither has happened. In fact, ICAN already demanded via FOIA that the FDA produce “A copy of the report for each clinical trial relied upon by the FDA when approving IPOL in 1990” and the documents provided in response by FDA make plain ICAN’s petition and safety concern are more than valid, as laid out in ICAN’s petition for the world to read. https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Petition-IPOL-2022-08-23.pdf…. But the NYT reporters writing the hit piece plainly do not care about truth and accuracy. If the NYT cared about at all about accuracy, the minimum it should do is update its headline from “Kennedy’s Lawyer Has Asked the F.D.A. to Revoke Approval of the Polio Vaccine”, to “ICAN Has Asked the F.D.A. to Revoke Approval for Children of a New Polio Vaccine, Using New Technology, Licensed in 1990, Until it is Properly Trialed for Safety.”
 
Where are you seeing that? I see some of his sycophants are worried it might get watered down but all signs point to it still happening and fast.

Though he will flip on it for the companies that bribe him. They will have tons of carve outs for the right price just like last time.

MSNBC was talking this morning about it being criminal records only and that not including "just being illegal".

If he is going to follow through he needs to bust up families in the worst way and round them all up.
 
MSNBC was talking this morning about it being criminal records only and that not including "just being illegal".

If he is going to follow through he needs to bust up families in the worst way and round them all up.

Looks like par for the course in the shit hole of Minneapolis. Your Marxists making you proud.

A massive Somali autism welfare scam just exploded in Minnesota. The number of Autism providers went up 700% from 41 to 328 in the past five years Autism spending shot up from $6M to $192M Somalis are 7X more likely to get autism services FBI raids happening now

This follows the $250M 'Feeding Our Future' scam in which Somalis claimed to be feeding hundreds of thousands of kids who didn't exist The autism scam looks like it might be almost as big and it crosses over from the 'Feeding Our Future' Somali scam "Authorities say at least a dozen defendants charged in the Feeding Our Future child nutrition fraud case also owned or received money from autism clinics."
 
MSNBC was talking this morning about it being criminal records only and that not including "just being illegal".

If he is going to follow through he needs to bust up families in the worst way and round them all up.

First off...why are you watching MSNBC? More people watch Gopher Hockey than watch that POS.

Second...what makes you think they know anything about what Trump plans to do? they couldn't even figure out what Harris was going to do and she literally told them to their faces.
 
First off...why are you watching MSNBC? More people watch Gopher Hockey than watch that POS.

Second...what makes you think they know anything about what Trump plans to do? they couldn't even figure out what Harris was going to do and she literally told them to their faces.

Well, fair enough. But I don't find any other outlets know anymore either. And I have history on my side. He said he was going to build the wall and Mexico was going to pay for it. He lied. He said he was going to replace Obamacare with something better and cheaper. He lied. He said I was going to get a massive tax cut AND the deficit and debt was going to disappear. He lied.

The only thing he is going to do is destabilize the World, keep eggs at 7 plus bucks a dozen or higher, and destroy America.

Interesting article in the NY Times the last couple of days. They had a profile on an illegal immigrant who has lived here his entire life. His Father-In-Law voted for Trump and told him that Trump wasn't talking about deporting him. Well, he's illegal so Trump sure was.

We'll see.

Since he's in the Times now he should be one of the first ones on the list to go.
 
Tell me you don't understand herd immunity without telling me you don't understand herd immunity...

THIS forum is where I will finally gain the definition of Herd Immunity? THIS forum is the very definition of ANTI-Herd Immunity. Just go peruse your posts in 2020-2022 and let me know.
 
Well, fair enough. But I don't find any other outlets know anymore either. And I have history on my side. He said he was going to build the wall and Mexico was going to pay for it. He lied. He said he was going to replace Obamacare with something better and cheaper. He lied. He said I was going to get a massive tax cut AND the deficit and debt was going to disappear. He lied.

The only thing he is going to do is destabilize the World, keep eggs at 7 plus bucks a dozen or higher, and destroy America.

Interesting article in the NY Times the last couple of days. They had a profile on an illegal immigrant who has lived here his entire life. His Father-In-Law voted for Trump and told him that Trump wasn't talking about deporting him. Well, he's illegal so Trump sure was.

We'll see.

Since he's in the Times now he should be one of the first ones on the list to go.

He didn't lie about the evil stuff he planned to do, just the stuff he knew would gin up the base. He is going to deport anyone he can there is going to be zero effort made to protect the innocent. The Deportation Czar already said as much. They also said the families would go with them even if they are legal. (not to mention he publicly said he was going to look into ending Birthright Citizenship) If there is a guy named Jose Guzman in Amarillo, Texas who is on the list to be deported every Jose Guzman (no matter the spelling) in Texas better leave the State and fast because they are going down.

Those types of profiles have been showing up a lot...hell every day it seems someone posts on the Leopards Eat my Face subrebbit a story of an illegal who themselves support Trump. (one ladies kids voted for Trump and she applauds them) Well have fun going back to whatever country you are from...your 15 years here were wasted and here is hoping your dumbphuck kids go with you!

MSNBC is full of it. And since I know you love to watch his show Morning Joe is the worst of them all. MSNBC is a bunch of former Republicans who pretend they can stand Rachel Maddow who herself is nothing but a corporate sellout and complete fraud. They are all overpaid hucksters that want nothing more than to make you mad and inch you farther away from Progressive Policies. They have less credibility than Faux News at this point with the Left. (outside of Reid and O'Donnell)
 
I remember reading an article a few years back that said no populace or fascist government has ever gained power without the support of the middle to upper middle class population. This included Hitler and Mussolini all the way up to Trump, Duterte, Bolsonaro, etc.

Of course. Putin will be in power as long as he keeps the Oligarchs rich. They will pacify any revolution until such time as he isn't useful.

Greed always wins...ask the Jews who supported Hitler.
 
Herd Immunity is too complex for you. You still haven't understood the definition of Novel Virus. One step at a time.

Scoob, MAGAts don't care to understand facts or science. They live in an alternate universe of "alternative facts". They are willfully ignorant and they deserve every bit of what's coming. Fvck them.
 
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Trump is now admitting the Ukraine/Russia peace might be tougher than he thought!

This is exactly what I was getting at. Oh, and Morning Joe is not a love anymore. Never really loved it. Watched it quite a bit. I have my faves on the channel, and no Maddow isn't one of them. I've tried some CNN shows over and over again, can't really get into it.

I wish there was a good national news station/anchor/program I could love and get behind but I really can't think of any right now that meet my needs. For the most part my overall news consumption has dropped by over 75% since the election. Sunday shows are an afterthought at this point.
 
That isn't a lie, that is just him, once again, speaking out of his butt and the morons believing him. Hell I would bet half the people on MSNBC believe him. (Pretty much everyone on after Morning Joe outside of O'Donnell) He doesn't want peace there anyways unless the peace is Putin annexing Ukraine. Trump will let him attack Poland and Scandinavia too.

Oh hey, I hear Dr. Oz might be put in charge of Medicare! There ya go Boomers who needs vaccines and medicines when Dr. Oz can make it cheaper to buy snake-oil! Apricot Seeds for everyone!!

When the history of this country is written, I will make sure everyone remembers Oprah helped destroy everything! Just another arrogant billionaire using her influence to help people steal more from us.
 
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