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Drinking Thread: Three Sheets To The Wind

dxmnkd316 said:
9/1: Surly Brewhall employees notified management of their intent to unuonize

9/2: Surly shutting down brewhall 11/2

This guy won’t be buying surly anymore.
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It has been very popular on social media to list these two as "cause and effect," but I think that's an extreme over-simplification of what occurred.

First, all the employees did is provide notice of their intent to unionize. This is notification to the employer that they have obtained signatures from at least 50% of the employees (I think it's still 50%) stating they have an interest in unionizing.

No union has been formed yet. The next step, after the NLRB looks into certain issues, is for the union and the employer to engage in a "campaign" during which time the union tries to persuade employees to vote for a union and the employer tries to persuade employees to not vote for the union.

Just because you got 50% of the employees to sign a card doesn't mean there is going to be a union. Many campaigns fail. I don't know the exact percentage but the last time that I looked something like close to 35-40% of union campaigns fail once a vote is taken. It's a lot easier for a union organizer to get someone to just sign a card (it's only a card saying we should have a vote, is usually the argument), than it is to actually vote in the union. Plus, the employer will put incredible pressure on the employees to keep the union out.

So yeah, there might have ended up being a union at Surly, but they were a long way away from it.

In the meantime, they have this giant beer hall that used to be jammed with customers and events that sits there empty due to Covid. They probably got a PPP loan which carried them for awhile, but in the end they are like pretty much every other bar and restaurant in the state, which is to say, they are probably very close to closing (maybe for good). It seems like every day I read about a bar or restaurant that is shuttering its doors. I'm just surprised the toll hasn't been larger, although it's been my assumption that once summer is over and outdoor dining and socializing becomes impossible here in Minnesota, they're going to start dropping like flies. That's why Surly picked November. Their outdoor area will be useless after that.
 
I'll agree with Hovey's take on this... These are two independent events that happened to come to light at the same time...

This is just coincidental bad timing...
 
Saw this kerfuffle via MN Twitter friends yesterday, and I'd have to agree with Hovey's take, despite the rosebots losing their sh*t and declaring them cancelled.

Of course, I don't even drink anymore so this is a moot debate for me.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
It could be coincidence. I'll give you that. Either way, not a great look. Unless you have a very compelling reason to announce the closure 24 hours after your employees announce intent to unionize, it seems pretty stupid.

https://twitter.com/mattdelong/statu...35600134205441
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As Surly's owners were weighing the decision to keep the beer hall open or not, certainly the union announcement didn't help tip the scales in favor of remaining open. Undoubtedly the cost of a union campaign and the additional hassles associated with shutting down a plant and laying off union employees if/when a union gets voted in was something on the minds of the owners. I don't know how those economic issues couldn't be, along with all of the other economic issues to consider. It would sort of be like learning the cost of other inputs (say, kegs) are about to go up. In all likelihood it was a factor. I just don't know that it was the factor.
 
SJHovey said:
As Surly's owners were weighing the decision to keep the beer hall open or not, certainly the union announcement didn't help tip the scales in favor of remaining open. Undoubtedly the cost of a union campaign and the additional hassles associated with shutting down a plant and laying off union employees if/when a union gets voted in was something on the minds of the owners. I don't know how those economic issues couldn't be, along with all of the other economic issues to consider. It would sort of be like learning the cost of other inputs (say, kegs) are about to go up. In all likelihood it was a factor. I just don't know that it was the factor.
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Don't disagree.
 
When I was drinking, I told my supervisor at my internship what I was drinking when I was drinking. I was drinking Rose, Moscato, and whipped cream vodka. She told me she was judging me under her mask and called me a Basic White B-tch. All done with love.
 
Some of my employees ponied up for the birthday this year. 1 bottle each of Bulleit, Buffalo Trace, Woodford Reserve Double Oaked and Balvenie DoubleWood 12!
 
I have to laugh at being called a "basic white b-tch" for what I was drinking when I was drinking. Lots of Rose, Prosecco, and whipped cream vodka.
 
Part of my job is picking up booze for others as part of their Meijer order, and I've been judging people under my mask. Someone wanted 75 cans of Natty. Another one wanted 750 ml of Black Velvet. Seriously, do you have better taste in booze?
 
MissThundercat said:
Part of my job is picking up booze for others as part of their Meijer order, and I've been judging people under my mask. Someone wanted 75 cans of Natty. Another one wanted 750 ml of Black Velvet. Seriously, do you have better taste in booze?
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I am convinced you could figure out everything about them by what they drink.

75 cans of Natty is either a Republican or a college student who doesn't vote.

Black Velvet is either a middle class person with surprisingly bad taste for his class or a poor person with surprisingly good taste for his class.
 
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Good for you.

Just remember the progress. It's not worth giving that up. Call your sponsor (if you've chosen that route). I know You don't need this advice from me, just trying to be of any help.
 
I will give credit to the customers who buy 30s of Busch Light. They know they're drinking to get drunk and they don't really care WHAT they taste.
 
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