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Dr. Clayton Forrester's Science Roundup

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ShirtlessBob said:
Everything I don't like about the organic movement, summed up in one article. All these claims that everyday products are "toxic," yet no links or citing of sources to prove it.

I have a vinyl shower curtain, I use Clorox, I eat conventional produce (with pesticides), and I use non-stick cookware. If all these things are "toxic," then why are most of us not in the hospital or dead because of using these things?
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Common sense is called for. Most of these things are not going to "hurt" anyone in normal use exposures. At the same time, you wouldn't drink garden pesticides straight from the bottle. Somewhere in between is a line where long-term, unnecessarily high exposure levels will be damaging in the form of cancer or chronic illness (which could be as subtle as feeling tired frequently), but it's unique by case, and undefinable by exact symptoms, and very noisy. No study can be cited because no study could possibly be done to isolate that one thing from a person's life and say "HERE is where the cancer happened: the 782nd time that they licked bacon grease off this teflon!" I see it as common sense. Use the stuff, sure, but it's certainly healthier in the long run to eat clean, fresh, unprocessed food, and to avoid huffing spray paint and gasoline or regularly washing your hands in bleach. You know what I mean? A million kids were poisoned by lead paint before anyone realized how nasty it was. It was just paint.
 
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geezer said:
A million kids were poisoned by lead paint before anyone realized how nasty it was. It was just paint.
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Popcorn lung (it was just "butter" flavoring)
Mesothelioma (it was just asbestos)
etc.

That said, the 'organic' movement is a joke because there are no standards behind the label.
 
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joecct said:
Where does baby poop fall in the pantheon of hazardous substances?
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Fecal matter transplants, baby poop is far from hazardous if you suffer from C-Diff or other intestinal illnesses
 
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walrus said:
It is? What if I know the farm my food is coming from?
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If you're getting meats and produce from a farmer's market or local organic farm, I suppose that's different from buying processed foods labeled "Organic!" at the supermarket. That is more what I was referring to, so I guess I should've been more clear.
 
walrus said:
It is? What if I know the farm my food is coming from?
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How well do you know them? There were dairy science professors at Cornell who knew for a fact that lots of farms were fraudulently selling milk labeled as "rBST" free, since they (the professors) had personally helped set up the dosing programs.

Regular Yields x Organic Price Premium = Maximum Profit
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
If you're getting meats and produce from a farmer's market or local organic farm, I suppose that's different from buying processed foods labeled "Organic!" at the supermarket. That is more what I was referring to, so I guess I should've been more clear.
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There are natl standards for organic labeling. In Maine they follow those standards. At a certain amount of sales you have to be 3rd party certified.
 
LynahFan said:
How well do you know them? There were dairy science professors at Cornell who knew for a fact that lots of farms were fraudulently selling milk labeled as "rBST" free, since they (the professors) had personally helped set up the dosing programs.

Regular Yields x Organic Price Premium = Maximum Profit
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There always going to be people scamming the system. Just because those guys did it doesn't mean every organic farm does it.
 
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FreshFish said:
That's what I said at the very outset, no? That it was correlation and not causation in the first place!
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Dude, you said this.
FreshFish said:
How high a correlation would you need to grudgingly admit that something is going on that cannot be explained as mere chance?
if "chance" has a 50% chance of being right, would consistent 80% accuracy indicate that there is something else going on?
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Odd that out of all the things I said, you would pick that to comment on.
 
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Ww is right. Not even 100% correlation tells us anything about causation.
 
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Freedom is certainly the first criterion I'd apply to a matter of public health.

But why stop there? We should vote on the causes of disease. You're not against democracy, are you?!
 
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Kepler said:
Freedom is certainly the first criterion I'd apply to a matter of public health.

But why stop there? We should vote on the causes of disease. You're not against democracy, are you?!
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I thought we were supposed to listen to what doctors and nurses, the pros, had to say about this stuff.
 
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