Does Brown care about women's hockey?

[Skate79]

Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

Skate79: Your suggestion is worthy of a follow up. I did learn that during the alumni game last year, hardly any alums showed up. I'm not sure if geography or apathy played a part in that but it'd be nice to see if this thing can be turned around. Women who make it this far in hockey have made huge sacrifices to get where they are. It'd be a shame for any of them to be forced into an unceremonious exit this late in their careers.

It's too bad that the alums didn't show up for the game. At Harvard, we have many of our alums who stay in touch, come to regular season and post season games and reunions. It's always great to see them and their families.

I agree that these women deserve a chance to play D-1 hockey. They have worked hard and their parents have made untold sacrifices. They shouldn't have to abandon the game they love because of a program that has spun out of control.

 

[EdSasha]

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...I did learn that during the alumni game last year, hardly any alums showed up. I'm not sure if geography or apathy played a part in that...

Neither geography nor apathy played a part in that. Because I'm not prepared to say anything more, I'm not sure if I should be posting anything at all; doing so leaves me open to the charge of pot-stirring, I know. I wish all current team members the best - stick together, ladies - and the same to absent teammates, no longer playing for whatever reason.

 

[hcky85]

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I waited until the half-way point of the season to voice any more of my thoughts about this new and improved team, now that the coaches got rid of all those no good garbage players. And my point is not to drag this subject on, but rather attempt to add an informative conclusion. I don’t think they made the right choices with cutting the players they did, and so far their record shows that. If Digit coached at Brown for another twenty years, there is no doubt in my mind that she would break at least one more record and set another national milestone for collegiate coaches. However, becoming the coach with the most loses, at the rate she’s going, might not take that long. The fact is, people can’t go to the AD to express concerns about Digit or else there will be repercussions. That’s what has happened in the past, and to my understandings, that’s what has happened this past year to a certain extent. The AD will never fire Digit, and Digit’s ego will not let her leave Brown unless she is offered a D1 coaching job elsewhere. But despite the enormous efforts from a few people on this board, most noticeably Trilium and notfromaroundhere, Digit is recognized through out the hockey community more for her ludicrous antics than for her ability to coach. So realistically, players at Brown have a better chance of getting a new coach by adding it to the top of their Christmas list than any other option available to them.

And as for people who post anonymously being labeled as cowards, if Digit or the AD would like to know who I am, I would gladly let them know. But, since this forum is basically made for anonymous postings, your desire to know who people are is not only irrelevant to me but makes it seem like you have some level of personal involvement with Digit.

 

[notfromaroundhere]

Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

I waited until the half-way point of the season to voice any more of my thoughts about this new and improved team, now that the coaches got rid of all those no good garbage players. And my point is not to drag this subject on, but rather attempt to add an informative conclusion. I don’t think they made the right choices with cutting the players they did, and so far their record shows that. If Digit coached at Brown for another twenty years, there is no doubt in my mind that she would break at least one more record and set another national milestone for collegiate coaches. However, becoming the coach with the most loses, at the rate she’s going, might not take that long. The fact is, people can’t go to the AD to express concerns about Digit or else there will be repercussions. That’s what has happened in the past, and to my understandings, that’s what has happened this past year to a certain extent. The AD will never fire Digit, and Digit’s ego will not let her leave Brown unless she is offered a D1 coaching job elsewhere. But despite the enormous efforts from a few people on this board, most noticeably Trilium and notfromaroundhere, Digit is recognized through out the hockey community more for her ludicrous antics than for her ability to coach. So realistically, players at Brown have a better chance of getting a new coach by adding it to the top of their Christmas list than any other option available to them.

And as for people who post anonymously being labeled as cowards, if Digit or the AD would like to know who I am, I would gladly let them no. But, since this forum is basically made for anonymous postings, your desire to know who people are is not only irrelevant to me but makes it seem like you have some level of personal involvement with Digit.

I'm not sure why people think I am out here to promote Digit. And I have no axes to grind here - no relationship to any Ivy League team, no relationship to any Brown player. I've met Digit twice and have talked to her for a combined 5 minutes. I don't claim to know her coaching style. My daughter has attended her camp/tournament in the past and had no complaints about her. Of course, that is just a camp experience, and I wouldn't read anything into that except that I don't think she is an axe murderer.

No, my issue here is the cancer that seems to be spreading on storied program and the sources therof. As you all know, cancer on a team is an attitude problem that only spreads if people continue to expose themselves to the source of the disease.

Clearly, the parents here who have never been in the locker room and never skated a shift for Digit know far more about coaching than Digit ever knew. They know that the only way to fix a struggling program is to publically spread rumors about previous players motives (we haven't seen a previous player confirm any of this), ciriticize the coach's actions, and call for her ouster annonymously on a fan forum.

These actions in NO way make a team better, in NO way help the morale of your daughters, and in NO way advance the sport of womens hockey. In fact, this talk during the season will hurt the morale of any player reading the posts and in the case of your own daugters, the negative energy you express here can only hurt your own daughters' experience through your negative feedback to them (unless you are completely two-faced about your team talk). You can't possibly expect them to give their best effort when you keep telling them that it is hopeless with Digit at the helm. You are sabotaging your daughters' team. And that makes your activities here cancerous.

There is a time and place for evaluating your experience with a team. Now is not the time and here is not the place for the type of message you are sending.

No, I am not here to praise Digit at all. I am here to defend the honor of parents whose kids play on struggling teams and support their kids efforts not by tearing down the coach, but by encouraging my daughter to find the opportunities that she can and enjoy the experience. We are what makes athletics a positive development experience in a young person's life. Those who whine about the program they put their daughters into give the rest of us a black eye, as you make us look like a bunch of self-absorbed, petty, jerks.

 

[videohockey]

Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

I'm not sure why people think I am out here to promote Digit. And I have no axes to grind here - no relationship to any Ivy League team, no relationship to any Brown player. I've met Digit twice and have talked to her for a combined 5 minutes. I don't claim to know her coaching style. My daughter has attended her camp/tournament in the past and had no complaints about her. Of course, that is just a camp experience, and I wouldn't read anything into that except that I don't think she is an axe murderer.

No, my issue here is the cancer that seems to be spreading on storied program and the sources therof. As you all know, cancer on a team is an attitude problem that only spreads if people continue to expose themselves to the source of the disease.

Clearly, the parents here who have never been in the locker room and never skated a shift for Digit know far more about coaching than Digit ever knew. They know that the only way to fix a struggling program is to publically spread rumors about previous players motives (we haven't seen a previous player confirm any of this), ciriticize the coach's actions, and call for her ouster annonymously on a fan forum.

These actions in NO way make a team better, in NO way help the morale of your daughters, and in NO way advance the sport of womens hockey. In fact, this talk during the season will hurt the morale of any player reading the posts and in the case of your own daugters, the negative energy you express here can only hurt your own daughters' experience through your negative feedback to them (unless you are completely two-faced about your team talk). You can't possibly expect them to give their best effort when you keep telling them that it is hopeless with Digit at the helm. You are sabotaging your daughters' team. And that makes your activities here cancerous.

There is a time and place for evaluating your experience with a team. Now is not the time and here is not the place for the type of message you are sending.

No, I am not here to praise Digit at all. I am here to defend the honor of parents whose kids play on struggling teams and support their kids efforts not by tearing down the coach, but by encouraging my daughter to find the opportunities that she can and enjoy the experience. We are what makes athletics a positive development experience in a young person's life. Those who whine about the program they put their daughters into give the rest of us a black eye, as you make us look like a bunch of self-absorbed, petty, jerks.

What he said.

 

[gotice]

Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

I'm not sure why people think I am out here to promote Digit. And I have no axes to grind here - no relationship to any Ivy League team, no relationship to any Brown player. I've met Digit twice and have talked to her for a combined 5 minutes. I don't claim to know her coaching style. My daughter has attended her camp/tournament in the past and had no complaints about her. Of course, that is just a camp experience, and I wouldn't read anything into that except that I don't think she is an axe murderer.

No, my issue here is the cancer that seems to be spreading on storied program and the sources therof. As you all know, cancer on a team is an attitude problem that only spreads if people continue to expose themselves to the source of the disease.

Clearly, the parents here who have never been in the locker room and never skated a shift for Digit know far more about coaching than Digit ever knew. They know that the only way to fix a struggling program is to publically spread rumors about previous players motives (we haven't seen a previous player confirm any of this), ciriticize the coach's actions, and call for her ouster annonymously on a fan forum.

These actions in NO way make a team better, in NO way help the morale of your daughters, and in NO way advance the sport of womens hockey. In fact, this talk during the season will hurt the morale of any player reading the posts and in the case of your own daugters, the negative energy you express here can only hurt your own daughters' experience through your negative feedback to them (unless you are completely two-faced about your team talk). You can't possibly expect them to give their best effort when you keep telling them that it is hopeless with Digit at the helm. You are sabotaging your daughters' team. And that makes your activities here cancerous.

There is a time and place for evaluating your experience with a team. Now is not the time and here is not the place for the type of message you are sending.

No, I am not here to praise Digit at all. I am here to defend the honor of parents whose kids play on struggling teams and support their kids efforts not by tearing down the coach, but by encouraging my daughter to find the opportunities that she can and enjoy the experience. We are what makes athletics a positive development experience in a young person's life. Those who whine about the program they put their daughters into give the rest of us a black eye, as you make us look like a bunch of self-absorbed, petty, jerks.

Absolutely, 100%, best post with regards to this whole, three separate thread, bit*hfest.

 

[IceIsNice]

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Notfromaroundhere, I would add positively to your rep, but alas... "you must spread......."

I had a very good 5 minute conversation with a Brown insider this weekend, which confirmed my initial reaction. There should not be any such thing as "entitlement" at division 1. You work hard, you earn it. You don't, you get the consequences. Apparently, in the eyes of the coaching staff, some of the players who were recently shown the door had fallen short in terms of overall effort.

Look, Digit's coaching style might not be for everybody, if it translates to pushing yourself, constantly working harder, fully respecting your coaches and your teammates, and most importantly respecting yourself, then I'm all for it! Sign me up! I have great respect for any program that counts "citizenship" and self respect first and foremost regardless of a player's apparent and relative skill level.

Oh, and by the way I was in favor of cutting Manny Ramirez too!

Bottom line......fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through Ivy D-1 hockey.

One last thing...Kudos to the young women who are still on the roster, for they have obviously shown the work ethic that is and should be expected from a D-1 athlete.

 

[RStarr]

Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

Notfromaroundhere, I would add positively to your rep, but alas... "you must spread......."

Done.

 

[Watson Rink]

Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

To second another poster's constructive thought, would it be possible for the players to submit written evaluations of the situation anonymously to a respected person (perhaps a former player?) who is independent from the AD, to advise the AD and others (there must be a dean or an overseers' committee or a visiting committee or something?)?

Putting an extra filter between the written evaluations and the AD and others would encourage candor and make it less likely that the coaches or others could see specific comments that they could then "back engineer" and attribute to individual players.

As a Harvard fan I have no dog in this hunt except that I sympathize with the kids. One of our Ds in another sport at another college was on a team that unanimously found their coach to be both nasty and ineffectual, and as part of a routine protocol at contract extension time the players were proffered a questionnaire about the coach. As she said, "our eyes became as big as saucers and we all stayed for an hour writing...."

 

[irishbridie49]

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Notfromaroundhere, I would add positively to your rep, but alas... "you must spread......."

I had a very good 5 minute conversation with a Brown insider this weekend, which confirmed my initial reaction. There should not be any such thing as "entitlement" at division 1. You work hard, you earn it. You don't, you get the consequences. Apparently, in the eyes of the coaching staff, some of the players who were recently shown the door had fallen short in terms of overall effort.

Look, Digit's coaching style might not be for everybody, if it translates to pushing yourself, constantly working harder, fully respecting your coaches and your teammates, and most importantly respecting yourself, then I'm all for it! Sign me up! I have great respect for any program that counts "citizenship" and self respect first and foremost regardless of a player's apparent and relative skill level.

Oh, and by the way I was in favor of cutting Manny Ramirez too!

Bottom line......fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through Ivy D-1 hockey.

One last thing...Kudos to the young women who are still on the roster, for they have obviously shown the work ethic that is and should be expected from a D-1 athlete.

IceisNice, Being from Ireland, maybe I'm being a bit sensitive, but what has citizenship got to do with Brown's problems? If the coaches are recruiting girls from Canada, then you can't throw citizenship in their faces when the team doesn't measure up. Why wouldn't you blame the recruiters for that? If the girls are being dumped from the team because they're not US citizens then I think those girls might have good cause to go to the Athletic Director and complain about the disparate treatment.

Also, regarding the statement "fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through Ivy D-1 hockey", I thought think that's the way to go through ANY program but if these Canadian girls are drinking too then that's another story. IceisNice, you might be onto something because you have to wonder what's really going on with the girls when they can't buy a win. Are you suggesting the team members are drinking? Or the coaches? Either way, that's just wrong and it explains a lot. Thank you.

 

[IceIsNice]

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Oops, hence my having citizenship in quotes.... I meant it only as "being a good citizen! If I meant it as literal US Citizenship, I wouldn't have put it in quotes. Sorry to all my international friends for any confusion!

 

[Hux]

Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

Oops, hence my having citizenship in quotes.... I meant it only as "being a good citizen! If I meant it as literal US Citizenship, I wouldn't have put it in quotes. Sorry to all my international friends for any confusion!

Well, being a good dooby, I knew exactly what you meant. And I agree.

Apparently that concept was lost on a few players. We have seen posts regarding the "suicide" of speaking up regarding Miss Murphy and Co. Well, how about when an individual fails citizenship 101, repeatedly, and the coach goes to bat for her with the school's administration to keep her in the program, only to have that player turn around and "speak up" and start a mutiny. It should be no surprise when the coach kicks the player off the team.

 

[5 4 Fighting]

Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

IceisNice, Being from Ireland, maybe I'm being a bit sensitive, but what has citizenship got to do with Brown's problems? If the coaches are recruiting girls from Canada, then you can't throw citizenship in their faces when the team doesn't measure up. Why wouldn't you blame the recruiters for that? If the girls are being dumped from the team because they're not US citizens then I think those girls might have good cause to go to the Athletic Director and complain about the disparate treatment.

Also, regarding the statement "fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through Ivy D-1 hockey", I thought think that's the way to go through ANY program but if these Canadian girls are drinking too then that's another story. IceisNice, you might be onto something because you have to wonder what's really going on with the girls when they can't buy a win. Are you suggesting the team members are drinking? Or the coaches? Either way, that's just wrong and it explains a lot. Thank you.

Oh Great...now it's the drunken Canadian girls?

Let's start a new thread for that one....

Give me a break.

 

[OnMAA]

Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

IceisNice, Being from Ireland, maybe I'm being a bit sensitive, but what has citizenship got to do with Brown's problems? If the coaches are recruiting girls from Canada, then you can't throw citizenship in their faces when the team doesn't measure up. Why wouldn't you blame the recruiters for that? If the girls are being dumped from the team because they're not US citizens then I think those girls might have good cause to go to the Athletic Director and complain about the disparate treatment.

Also, regarding the statement "fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through Ivy D-1 hockey", I thought think that's the way to go through ANY program but if these Canadian girls are drinking too then that's another story. IceisNice, you might be onto something because you have to wonder what's really going on with the girls when they can't buy a win. Are you suggesting the team members are drinking? Or the coaches? Either way, that's just wrong and it explains a lot. Thank you.

IMHO you are nitpicking on the words and are missing the point of the general message in the post. Both IceisNice and NotFromaround here put some good viewpoints on the table for all to consider. Remember that many, including IceisNice, Hux and several other posters have no direct association with Brown, hence have nothing to gain or lose in this matter. Viewpoints of those not directly involved are often worth more grains of salt.

 

[rinkrat890890]

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Well, being a good dooby, I knew exactly what you meant. And I agree.

Apparently that concept was lost on a few players. We have seen posts regarding the "suicide" of speaking up regarding Miss Murphy and Co. Well, how about when an individual fails citizenship 101, repeatedly, and the coach goes to bat for her with the school's administration to keep her in the program, only to have that player turn around and "speak up" and start a mutiny. It should be no surprise when the coach kicks the player off the team.

Hux, some of the people reading this aren't old enough to know what a "dooby" is. Or for that matter, do you remember the "don't bee'"? But your "dooby" should probably be spelled "doobee" since on Romper Room they were "bees".

 

[Hux]

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Hux, some of the people reading this aren't old enough to know what a "dooby" is. Or for that matter, do you remember the "don't bee'"? But your "dooby" should probably be spelled "doobee" since on Romper Room they were "bees".

Hmmmm, I did not know that.

 

[IceIsNice]

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Not to be confused with the Doobie Brothers kind of Doobie, which of course might make you less of a doobee!

So in otherwords, "do be" careful not to confuse "doobee" with "doobie" and don't mispell it as "dooby"?

 

[rinkrat890890]

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Hmmmm, I did not know that.

Hux, approximately 45-46 years ago, there was a show called "Romper Room". I remember Ms. Jean. (She couldn't sing to save her life). Anyway, she would always say "be a doobee, not a dontbee" and she would have some lesson about being nice. The doobees and dontbees had wings and antenna and were probably black and yellow, however, I didn't have color television back then.!

 

[rinkrat890890]

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Hmmmm, I did not know that.

Hux, I looked it up. They were Do Bee's!

 

[sheba]

Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

Hux, approximately 45-46 years ago, there was a show called "Romper Room". I remember Ms. Jean. (She couldn't sing to save her life). Anyway, she would always say "be a doobee, not a dontbee" and she would have some lesson about being nice. The doobees and dontbees had wings and antenna and were probably black and yellow, however, I didn't have color television back then.!

SHHHH --- no need to put the number of years - YIKES!! I remember Romper Room and the "do bees" and "dont bees" - always with the kids to be a GOOD dobee,, be Helpful, not Hurtful... I would like to give the same advice!!