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[eg1351]

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Way to completely discredit the rise in the talent level of goaltenders throughout the league.

 

[shelfit]

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Way to completely discredit the rise in the talent level of goaltenders throughout the league.

Nonsense, and uneducated. It's all relative; as the sport develops at the D3 level in particular, there should be a similar rise in talent across the board at all positions, not just at one position. The problem is there is not enough time spent and emphasis on shooting skills as these players are growing up through the ranks. Players also need to work on their own skills on their own time but most don't. Those that do rise above the rest very quickly and the difference is blatantly obvious when comparing them to their teammates and opponents. I won't even get into the comparison of the ratio of goals to shots on net in men's/boys' hockey compared to women's/girls' hockey, nor how that statistic would discredit your statement regarding goaltending talent levels.

 

[Call It]

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"so either a great goaltending performance at the other end of the ice"......so you're confirming the first of the three options I listed was spot on. Not too hard to figure out...stats don't lie.

Nobody's telling you about games you attend from 5 feet away (congratulations on scoring such great seats...you must be so proud of yourself). Merely pointing out that one of the biggest problems definitely at the D3 level of women's hockey and somewhat at the D1 level too is the lack of overall quality shooting skills throughout each team's roster (lack of true offensive depth). The problem starts with the coaches of the programs these kids come from as they grow up because those coaches spend far too much time on systems as the kids get older and not enough time on continuing to develop individual skills, mostly because too many of those coaches are focused on how many wins they can achieve because their egos are so out of wack. It's too much about them and their coaching "success" (only defined by the number of wins...very narrow minded) and too little about developing the overall player so they will be better when they move on to the college level no matter if that's going to be D1 or D3.

Amen Brother! I have been talking about this for awhile now. The goalies are better than the shooters at D 1 & 3. Even at the Olympic level, most of them couldn't shot it by the goalie on net. Sure they can deke and tip but to actually shot it, nope

 

[eg1351]

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Nonsense, and uneducated. It's all relative; as the sport develops at the D3 level in particular, there should be a similar rise in talent across the board at all positions, not just at one position. The problem is there is not enough time spent and emphasis on shooting skills as these players are growing up through the ranks. Players also need to work on their own skills on their own time but most don't. Those that do rise above the rest very quickly and the difference is blatantly obvious when comparing them to their teammates and opponents. I won't even get into the comparison of the ratio of goals to shots on net in men's/boys' hockey compared to women's/girls' hockey, nor how that statistic would discredit your statement regarding goaltending talent levels.

This must be why the NHL has to keep making the goalie equipment smaller -- because everything is developing at the same rate.... oh wait.

 

[shelfit]

This must be why the NHL has to keep making the goalie equipment smaller -- because everything is developing at the same rate.... oh wait.

My bad for not being specific. Was referring to hockey up to the college level. The NHL is a different animal altogether as we all know. To include the NHL in a youth hockey and college hockey comparison would be ridiculous.

 

[eg1351]

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My bad for not being specific. Was referring to hockey up to the college level. The NHL is a different animal altogether as we all know. To include the NHL in a youth hockey and college hockey comparison would be ridiculous.

I just believe that across the sport at the youth & college level, there is more specific training being offered for goalies, allowing them to accelerate their skill level. Probably at a faster rate than the skaters around them. This isn't a bad thing. It just demonstrates the ebb & flow of the sport -- as has been demonstrated in the NHL.

Obviously there is a large disconnect in the skill level of women's college hockey & the NHL, but the natural patterns of the sport are destined to mirror themselves across the two leagues.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

I just believe that across the sport at the youth & college level, there is more specific training being offered for goalies, allowing them to accelerate their skill level. Probably at a faster rate than the skaters around them. This isn't a bad thing. It just demonstrates the ebb & flow of the sport -- as has been demonstrated in the NHL.

Obviously there is a large disconnect in the skill level of women's college hockey & the NHL, but the natural patterns of the sport are destined to mirror themselves across the two leagues.

Indeed there are more goalie specific training (speaking from a youth goalie dad) compared to 20-25 years ago.

Having said that, the average size of goaltenders (not including pads) seems to have increased as well. The amountof net shooters have to shoot at is so small these days.

I will also say too that the emphasis on the ADM model is somewhat hurting the basic skating/positioning/shooting of players. I do believe some of the model is good for learning, but coaches really need to focus on the basics of hockey more at the younger level. And don't even get me started on hitting. You might as well take it out of the game these days.

 

[Call It]

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Indeed there are more goalie specific training (speaking from a youth goalie dad) compared to 20-25 years ago.

Having said that, the average size of goaltenders (not including pads) seems to have increased as well. The amountof net shooters have to shoot at is so small these days.

I will also say too that the emphasis on the ADM model is somewhat hurting the basic skating/positioning/shooting of players. I do believe some of the model is good for learning, but coaches really need to focus on the basics of hockey more at the younger level. And don't even get me started on hitting. You might as well take it out of the game these days.

Another thought is that many top female goalies are able to play on Boys' team after peewees and bantams. Not uncommon to see a girl playing Midgets or HS on the boys' team.

 

[shelfit]

All of your comments support the fact that not enough time and energy is spent on shooting and overall puck skills as girls grow up through the age groups before they head off to college, if they are lucky enough to play in college. Seems like we're basically all on the same page here with this topic. Also sounds like we have all the answers. Maybe we should form the Hockey Forum Hockey School and fix the problem ourselves!

 

[Hammer]

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Back to the games:

Adrian 3
SNC 1

End 2.

EDIT: That's now a final. SOG: 51-12 Adrian.

 

[icehawk]

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Crazy game between St Benedicts and Concordia of Moorhead yesterday. 7-6 overtime win for the Cobbers who scored 3 goals within 41 seconds in the third to go up 5-4. School record for quickest 3 goals scored.

 

[Hammer]

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Adrian 2
LFC 0

Kristin Lewicki has broken Adrian's school record with her 63rd career goal. She broke the school's career scoring record on Friday night. Now she's got the goal record as well.

 

[Hammer]

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Adrian defeats LFC 3-0.

 

[bobbunnell]

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#6 Norwich at #1 Plattsburgh tonight, 7pm! Both undefeated! Should be a good one.... video: http://www.nsnsports.net/colleges/plattsburgh-state/