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DI - D3 Exhibitions this Sunday

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shooter27 said:
Don't take this the wrong way, but have you seen the Clearinghouse requirements? I know that there are certain situations with extenuating circumstances (multiple transfers, international schooling, learning disabilities, etc.) that create Clearinghouse issues, but in general, if you can't meet the Clearinghouse requirements, hockey should be the least of your concerns.
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Maybe, but the fact is some D1 caliber players go to D3 schools because they can't pass the Clearing House.
 
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shooter27 said:
Don't take this the wrong way, but have you seen the Clearinghouse requirements? I know that there are certain situations with extenuating circumstances (multiple transfers, international schooling, learning disabilities, etc.) that create Clearinghouse issues, but in general, if you can't meet the Clearinghouse requirements, hockey should be the least of your concerns.
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I had to wonder about that comment, too...Many D-3 schools have (ostensibly) higher academic hurdles to jump than do the big State schools.

Anyhoo, it's gotta be hard to be a D-3 recruiter.Does one wait for the commitments to be made at D-1 before even attempting to land a borderline talent?

I'd prefer to have carte blanche to go after anyone I want, as a Minnesota has.I don't know how an Oswego loads up every year, for instance.Must feel like Calculus Two.
 
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Fishman'81 said:
I had to wonder about that comment, too...Many D-3 schools have (ostensibly) higher academic hurdles to jump than do the big State schools.
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I kind of wonder about that comment, too. Some of the big time FB/BB players appear to have gained admission to their schools via the "mirror" admissions test (put a mirror under their nostrils - if it fogs they are eligible). Supposedly the clearing house process was supposed to prevent those abuses, but some interviews with some of those players are downright sad.
 
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NUProf said:
I kind of wonder about that comment, too. Some of the big time FB/BB players appear to have gained admission to their schools via the "mirror" admissions test (put a mirror under their nostrils - if it fogs they are eligible). Supposedly the clearing house process was supposed to prevent those abuses, but some interviews with some of those players are downright sad.
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Regardless, the fact of the matter is, there is a Clearing House in D1 and there is not one on D3. Thus, there are cases where athletes cannot get by the Clearing House, and thus end up in a D3 school.

This fact has nothing to do with whether schools are academically better or worse between D1 and D3.

And the Clearing House does stop those athletes who do not have the proper high school classes from getting into a D1 school and playing a sport. There was a local football player who was all set to go to Syracuse on a full scholarship, but he didn't have the HS transcript to get through the Clearing House. He's now going to prep school to get those classes in order to be allowed to play at Syracuse.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
Regardless, the fact of the matter is, there is a Clearing House in D1 and there is not one on D3. Thus, there are cases where athletes cannot get by the Clearing House, and thus end up in a D3 school.

This fact has nothing to do with whether schools are academically better or worse between D1 and D3.

And the Clearing House does stop those athletes who do not have the proper high school classes from getting into a D1 school and playing a sport. There was a local football player who was all set to go to Syracuse on a full scholarship, but he didn't have the HS transcript to get through the Clearing House. He's now going to prep school to get those classes in order to be allowed to play at Syracuse.
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I'm not arguing about that. In fact, my question was more of what in the heck are they looking at in that process. If the idea is to keep the those who are not academically qualified away from DI sports, you have to wonder how come so many thugs, goons, and functionally illiterate behemoths get through it. There also seem to be lots of cases when legitimate students can't get through it. The process is flawed.
 
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NUProf said:
I'm not arguing about that. In fact, my question was more of what in the heck are they looking at in that process. If the idea is to keep the those who are not academically qualified away from DI sports, you have to wonder how come so many thugs, goons, and functionally illiterate behemoths get through it. There also seem to be lots of cases when legitimate students can't get through it. The process is flawed.
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I'd be willing to speculate that in a lot of those cases, the flaw isn't with the Clearinghouse. They take transcripts and evaluate them. There's a lot of room for abuse by the institutions providing those transcripts...
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
Regardless, the fact of the matter is, there is a Clearing House in D1 and there is not one on D3. Thus, there are cases where athletes cannot get by the Clearing House, and thus end up in a D3 school.

This fact has nothing to do with whether schools are academically better or worse between D1 and D3.

And the Clearing House does stop those athletes who do not have the proper high school classes from getting into a D1 school and playing a sport. There was a local football player who was all set to go to Syracuse on a full scholarship, but he didn't have the HS transcript to get through the Clearing House. He's now going to prep school to get those classes in order to be allowed to play at Syracuse.
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Is that the Rush-Henrietta QB from last year?
 
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Well...just for the record...

As one might have predicted, Dartmouth beat Norwich 3-1 and Princeton beat Neumann 5-1. Not too embarrassing...

Anybody have game reports? I noticed from the box scores that Norwich held Dartmouth to a 1-1 tie going into the third and that Neumann played three goalies, while Princeton went with one.
 
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Eph72 said:
Well...just for the record...

As one might have predicted, Dartmouth beat Norwich 3-1 and Princeton beat Neumann 5-1. Not too embarrassing...

Anybody have game reports? I noticed from the box scores that Norwich held Dartmouth to a 1-1 tie going into the third and that Neumann played three goalies, while Princeton went with one.
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I know that Prez posted a report on the NU-Dartmouth game on the official NU website. It was a good game, it actually turned on diving call in the third period against Norwich when Cotnoir was pulled down circling behind the Dartmouth net, and the ref thought it was an act - it wasn't. When the whistle blew the DC guy headed for the box, only to be told it wasn't against him. The resulting PP gave Dartmouth the go ahead goal. Norwich gave Dartmouth all they could handle.
 
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Eph72 said:
Well...just for the record...

As one might have predicted, Dartmouth beat Norwich 3-1 and Princeton beat Neumann 5-1. Not too embarrassing...

Anybody have game reports? I noticed from the box scores that Norwich held Dartmouth to a 1-1 tie going into the third and that Neumann played three goalies, while Princeton went with one.
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Norwich more than held their own. My recap is posted to the norwich athletics website.

The Cadets outshot Dartmouth 17-13.

They held Dartmouth 0-for-5 on their first five power plays and only surrendered four shots total on eight PP chances.
 
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Here's the Norwich game report:

Men’s Hockey: Dartmouth pulls away late to down Cadets 3-1

HANOVER, N.H. – Dartmouth's Brandon McNally tallied two power play goals in the third period to break a 1-1 tie and help lead the Big Green to a 3-1win over the Norwich men's ice hockey team in a rare Division I/Division III cross-over exhibition matchup on Sunday at Thompson Arena.

The Cadets held their own for a majority of the contest and even won the shot battle 17-13 over the Big Green. However, penalties finally proved to be NU's undoing as Dartmouth finally converted on the power play after going 0-for-5 prior to McNally's back-to-back tallies. McNally broke the tie 3:52 into the third period when he slipped home a rebound past a sprawled out Parker Carroll after the Norwich sophomore goaltender made an initial save on a shot from Tyler Sikura.

The Dartmouth freshman forward from Saugus, Mass. struck again just past the midway point of the third period when he scored five seconds into a power play after Norwich's Chris Paquet was whistled for a tripping penalty. Dartmouth drew first blood with a goal from freshman Eric Neiley at the 14:31 mark of the first period. Neiley put home a loose puck in the crease after Carroll made an initial save on Charlie Mosey's shot from the blue line. However, Carroll couldn't find the puck in time before Neiley swooped in and lit the lamp.

Norwich rallied to tie the game up late in the second period when junior forward Tory Allan beat Dartmouth goalie Jody O'Neill with a wrist shot through traffic from the top of the left face-off circle with an assist from senior captain Shawn Baker. Allan's goal came on the power play after junior Kyle Thomas was slashed while racing toward the net by Dartmouth's Mike Keenan.

Carroll made 10 saves for Norwich while Dartmouth split the three periods evenly between James Mello, Jody O'Neill and Cab Morris. Morris picked up the win after stopping six shots in the third stanza for the Big Green. Norwich was 1-for-4 on the power play and Dartmouth was 2-for-8.

The Cadets return to action next Sunday when they host Trois-Rivieres in another exhibition matchup. Face off is slated for 3 p.m. at Kreitzberg Arena.
 
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NUProf said:
I'm not arguing about that. In fact, my question was more of what in the heck are they looking at in that process. If the idea is to keep the those who are not academically qualified away from DI sports, you have to wonder how come so many thugs, goons, and functionally illiterate behemoths get through it. There also seem to be lots of cases when legitimate students can't get through it. The process is flawed.
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Interestingly, I just read that a Maine recruit who didn't survive the clearinghouse is now looking at Oswego and Plattsburgh...No details were available as to what exactly kept him out of D-1, but it certainly would be fascinating to know.
 
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Eph72 said:
Of course, if you go way back, to the 60s and before, the Middleburys, Bowdoins and Colbys played up regularly.
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They weren't exactly "playing up." They were in the same league with those teams in those days. Colby had two first team All Americans in the '61-'62 season. Jack Kelly was the coach and they were close to undefeated. They intimidated teams like BU and BC.
 
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OhioMule said:
They weren't exactly "playing up." They were in the same league with those teams in those days. Colby had two first team All Americans in the '61-'62 season. Jack Kelly was the coach and they were close to undefeated. They intimidated teams like BU and BC.
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Most of the eastern teams were in the same league then, current NESCAC, ECAC-East, SUNYAC and ECAC-WEST teams regularly played current HEA, ECAC and Ivy teams.
 
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OhioMule said:
They weren't exactly "playing up." They were in the same league with those teams in those days. Colby had two first team All Americans in the '61-'62 season. Jack Kelly was the coach and they were close to undefeated. They intimidated teams like BU and BC.
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Well, yeah, of course you're right. They very definitely regularly scheduled these teams back in the day and competed successfully. But there was no formal league, was there? The D-1/D-3 classification didn't come in until around 1973, I think... But, I think Colby, etc have always (then and now) been perceived as "small" colleges and when they play "large" colleges it can be said they are playing up. That's all I meant. I think we are agreeing...
 
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Eph72 said:
Well, yeah, of course you're right. They very definitely regularly scheduled these teams back in the day and competed successfully. But there was no formal league, was there? The D-1/D-3 classification didn't come in until around 1973, I think... But, I think Colby, etc have always (then and now) been perceived as "small" colleges and when they play "large" colleges it can be said they are playing up. That's all I meant. I think we are agreeing...
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I don't think there is any disagreement here, either. There was a league. It was the ECAC. And there was a tournament. That year Colby lost in the semi-finals to Clarkson and lost the consolation game to Harvard in the old Boston Arena. It was a sad end to what was probably their greatest season ever. Kelly soon left for BU. When the divisions first came up, they were a force in Division II. Then the decision to go Div. III and NESCAC. When all is said and done, I can't say I disagree with the decision to downgrade the program. I find Div. III to be very competitive. Sorry to lose the interlock, though.
 
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