Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

[solovsfett]

So you think there's this grand conspiracy, too? There's some kind of voter suppression issue with Bernie? At this point, that's all you can say there's a conspiracy about, since Bernie is behind in numbers. The fact that people like to bring that up just makes me NOT want to support him even more.

Thanks to posts like this, it just means I have even more of a reason to not vote for Bernie next Tuesday. We don't need 4 more years of paranoia from the leader of the country.

BTW, you do know that Joe has a stutter, right? It's more likely that vs. dimensia. Kind of crappy that someone who supports Bernie, who is supposed to be so accepting of people, you would accuse your opponent of having a mental issue- which is also making fun of someone's stutter. I don't think I want to follow a group of people who are willing to be that way- again, we've already had 3 years of dumpy for that.

Good job in trying to convince people to vote for your guy. Works out really well.

Don’t know what you’re talking about. I was telling the gopher fan that if he wants to use Richard Helm’s term on me he should know when, where and who behind it.

I said 0 about a conspiracy against Bernie. I merely said Biden will get crushed and his voters should in essence acknowledge their error in voting for a guy who will get crushed by a man with the orating skill of a kindergartner.

Now, if Biden gets the nom and wins, i’ll Gladly apologize to his voters here but will caveat the pro-war pro-Wall Street sentiment must go

 

[solovsfett]

Re: Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

I should iterate, my anti-war stance is non-negotiable, that’s where I compare candidates, then anti-Wall Street a close 2nd.

If/when it comes down to it, i’ll vote against trump based on his providing war criminals like John Bolton and Elliott Abrams jobs.

 

[Deleted member 3166]

Don’t know what you’re talking about. I was telling the gopher fan that if he wants to use Richard Helm’s term on me he should know when, where and who behind it.

I said 0 about a conspiracy against Bernie. I merely said Biden will get crushed and his voters should in essence acknowledge their error in voting for a guy who will get crushed by a man with the orating skill of a kindergartner.

Now, if Biden gets the nom and wins, i’ll Gladly apologize to his voters here but will caveat the pro-war pro-Wall Street sentiment must go

A. Not a gopher.
B. You know Biden gets crushed how?
C. You know Bernie doesn't get crushed how?
D. Still don't care about your conspiracy crap regardless of where the term originated...
E. Again...maybe read more.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

I agree with all of this and it’s true i’m ****ed at the attacks on Bernie but to be honest i’m Even more upset at an electorate who continually choose pro-war and pro-wall Street candidates. Biden said nothing when Citicorp chose the cabinet for he and Obama.

Grrrrrrtt

Oh yeah the scarlet letter thing. That was so polite.

 

[BassAle]

I should iterate, my anti-war stance is non-negotiable, that’s where I compare candidates, then anti-Wall Street a close 2nd.

If/when it comes down to it, i’ll vote against trump based on his providing war criminals like John Bolton and Elliott Abrams jobs.

There are things that affect me besides lingering wars and wall street and Trump has been much worse. EPA regulation roll backs will kill people. Opening up more public lands for resource extraction. Forcing out career non-partisan public employees and replacing vast amounts of institutional knowledge with incompetent Trump worshipers. Gutting the CDC and leaving us vulnerable. Locking kids up in cages. Calling white supremacists “fine people”. Funneling public money into his golf resorts and hotels. The list goes on forever.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

Biden won’t get crushed if the left comes out and votes for him...

If you’re having trouble coming up with the motivation...there are kids in cages who may never see their parents again. Vote against that.

This is exactly right

 

[The Rube]

Re: Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

There are things that affect me besides lingering wars and wall street and Trump has been much worse. EPA regulation roll backs will kill people. Opening up more public lands for resource extraction. Forcing out career non-partisan public employees and replacing vast amounts of institutional knowledge with incompetent Trump worshipers. Gutting the CDC and leaving us vulnerable. Locking kids up in cages. Calling white supremacists “fine people”. Funneling public money into his golf resorts and hotels. The list goes on forever.

Building up the Dictatorship brick by brick by brick. Slowly but surely.

 

[MissThundercat]

Trying to erase trans people from existence. Religious liberty laws that give doctors a license to discriminate. Betsy.

 

[alfablue]

Re: Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

I should iterate, my anti-war stance is non-negotiable, that’s where I compare candidates, then anti-Wall Street a close 2nd.

If/when it comes down to it, i’ll vote against trump based on his providing war criminals like John Bolton and Elliott Abrams jobs.

Can you remind us what war Obama started? And what consumer protection items that Obama didn't pass and get undone by dumpy?

I'm not going to bother to look them up, but I'd bet that Bernie voted for stuff in his past that were not so good, too.... So stop the idea that he's never made a mistake, and never owned up to it.

Given where I work, Biden was part of the group of people who saved my industry in the US. Many in this area very much appreciate that.

Still, insulting people who would rather vote for Biden than Bernie isn't exactly a good way to convince people. Perhaps you should point out his superior positions on things. Alas, Bernie did suggest that there's a conspiracy against him- I heard it from his voice. Screw that. While not perfect, the ACA is a good first step to get back on path to. As are the Obama administration green initiatives- which are very numerous.

 

[J.D.]

Oh wow, i’m Really hurt. I may need therapy, some ******* on the web calls me an idiot.

You know what I said is true, Trump will destroy Biden and the people who voted for Biden are ****ing colossal idiots.

Are you implying Bernie would have a better chance against Trump? Totally disagree. You might be a Bernie bro, but stuttering Joe still has a better shot. Your overall point could be that there should be a stronger candidate than Joe Biden and I would agree. There should be. But it ain't Bernie Sanders.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

but he at least hasn’t initiated more wars.

While true...it’s surely not for lack of effort...

 

[solovsfett]

A. Not a gopher.
B. You know Biden gets crushed how?
C. You know Bernie doesn't get crushed how?
D. Still don't care about your conspiracy crap regardless of where the term originated...
E. Again...maybe read more.

Oh sorry, thought we sparred in gopher badger threads in the past.
Biden gets crushed because he’s just not a strong candidate and trump will absolutely seize mercilessly a n his constant gaffes. Now maybe, MAYBE the msm can turn the tables on slumlord and say he’s attacking joe re dementia etc, but that doesn’t Alleviate the problem of Joe’s condition.

To your points D and E, if you read Inspector General reports you wouldn’t be so cavalierly dismissive of facts the government has already admitted to in said reports.

Wrong thread for that though

 

[solovsfett]

Trying to erase trans people from existence. Religious liberty laws that give doctors a license to discriminate. Betsy.

Yes, to all of this and more. I start with wars because, outside of the obvious of killing innocent civilians based on lies, the $ spent on wars could and should be used for universal health care, education, and on and on

 

[solovsfett]

Can you remind us what war Obama started? And what consumer protection items that Obama didn't pass and get undone by dumpy?

I'm not going to bother to look them up, but I'd bet that Bernie voted for stuff in his past that were not so good, too.... So stop the idea that he's never made a mistake, and never owned up to it.

Given where I work, Biden was part of the group of people who saved my industry in the US. Many in this area very much appreciate that.

Still, insulting people who would rather vote for Biden than Bernie isn't exactly a good way to convince people. Perhaps you should point out his superior positions on things. Alas, Bernie did suggest that there's a conspiracy against him- I heard it from his voice. Screw that. While not perfect, the ACA is a good first step to get back on path to. As are the Obama administration green initiatives- which are very numerous.

Uhm, Libya, Yemen, ratcheting up on Syria (oh hey look let’s help AQ) for starters. President drone strike expanded on the Bush Doctrine.

 

[solovsfett]

While true...it’s surely not for lack of effort...

Yes of course, he hired then fired Bolton. Anyone dumb enough to hire bolts needs to go, i’m Just saying for a brief 3 year period (out of luck or design) we haven’t expanded into another shooting war

 

[solovsfett]

Are you implying Bernie would have a better chance against Trump? Totally disagree. You might be a Bernie bro, but stuttering Joe still has a better shot. Your overall point could be that there should be a stronger candidate than Joe Biden and I would agree. There should be. But it ain't Bernie Sanders.

IF the youth vote materializes yes, AND I think Sanders can gain all those Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania voters that Trump got last time that pushed him over the edge.

They used to be called Reagan Democrats (and seriously where are these voters morals?).

 

[J.D.]

I agree with all of this and it’s true i’m ****ed at the attacks on Bernie but to be honest i’m Even more upset at an electorate who continually choose pro-war and pro-wall Street candidates. Biden said nothing when Citicorp chose the cabinet for he and Obama.

Grrrrrrtt

Calling any of these candidates pro-war is beyond dumb. Nobody runs under the platform of being pro-war but sometimes using military force can be beneficial. Go hug a tree.

 

[solovsfett]

Calling any of these candidates pro-war is beyond dumb. Nobody runs under the platform of being pro-war but sometimes using military force can be beneficial. Go hug a tree.

WHat do you call authorizing drone strikes on yemen, destabilizing Libya and defending AQ in Syria but pro-war, proxy war positions?

 

[J.D.]

While true...it’s surely not for lack of effort...

I don't think this is a fair assessment at all despite Trump's many faults

 

[Deleted member 3166]

Oh sorry, thought we sparred in gopher badger threads in the past.
Biden gets crushed because he’s just not a strong candidate and trump will absolutely seize mercilessly a n his constant gaffes. Now maybe, MAYBE the msm can turn the tables on slumlord and say he’s attacking joe re dementia etc, but that doesn’t Alleviate the problem of Joe’s condition.

To your points D and E, if you read Inspector General reports you wouldn’t be so cavalierly dismissive of facts the government has already admitted to in said reports.

Wrong thread for that though

Joe stutters...no proof he has dementia...just another conspiracy for you I guess.