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He can beat Pete too. Your point?
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Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.
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He can beat Pete too. Your point?
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Yup.
Handyman
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I like Bernie and agree with all of this.
trixR4kids
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Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.
Independents just want a milquetoast centrist
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Winning independent voters is crucial& Bernie is dominating.<br><br>National GE poll,<a href="https://twitter.com/Reuters?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Reuters</a>/<a href="https://twitter.com/Ipsos?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Ipsos</a> Among Independents:<br><br>Sanders 46% (+18)<br>Trump 28%<br><br>Biden 43% (+14)<br>Trump 29%<br><br>Bloomberg 39% (+14)<br>Trump 25% <br><br>Buttigieg 35% (+8)<br>Trump 27%<br><br>Warren 34% (+5)<br>Trump 29%<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BernieBeatsTrump?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BernieBeatsTrump</a></p>— Burhan 🏝 (@_brohan_) <a href="https://twitter.com/_brohan_/status/1230240160345919491?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Independents just want a milquetoast centrist
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Winning independent voters is crucial& Bernie is dominating.<br><br>National GE poll,<a href="https://twitter.com/Reuters?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Reuters</a>/<a href="https://twitter.com/Ipsos?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Ipsos</a> Among Independents:<br><br>Sanders 46% (+18)<br>Trump 28%<br><br>Biden 43% (+14)<br>Trump 29%<br><br>Bloomberg 39% (+14)<br>Trump 25% <br><br>Buttigieg 35% (+8)<br>Trump 27%<br><br>Warren 34% (+5)<br>Trump 29%<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BernieBeatsTrump?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BernieBeatsTrump</a></p>— Burhan 🏝 (@_brohan_) <a href="https://twitter.com/_brohan_/status/1230240160345919491?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.
So Bernie is in trouble in NC, FL, and AZ since he lost those in the primaries, in some cases by significant margins?
The bottom line is we don't know if Sanders will drive higher turnout. Saying something enough times doesn't make it true. Right now the evidence is mixed with an admittedly small sample.
So Bernie is in trouble in NC, FL, and AZ since he lost those in the primaries, in some cases by significant margins?
The bottom line is we don't know if Sanders will drive higher turnout. Saying something enough times doesn't make it true. Right now the evidence is mixed with an admittedly small sample.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.
I predict Buttigieg is going to be the first of the remaining group to suspend his campaign. His war chest is just about empty, and the demographics of the races coming up in the next week are not good for him. Minnesota? "Elena" has the moderates sewn up, you betcha. New England? Warren/Sanders territory. The South? Not voting for a gay dude anytime soon. California? All but a lock for Bernie.
He's pretty much painted into a corner. Only thing left for him to decide is when he will announce, "South Bend will always be home. But after rest, reflection, and time with our dogs, Chasten and I have decided our next chapter is in (*insert purple state here*)..."
I predict Buttigieg is going to be the first of the remaining group to suspend his campaign. His war chest is just about empty, and the demographics of the races coming up in the next week are not good for him. Minnesota? "Elena" has the moderates sewn up, you betcha. New England? Warren/Sanders territory. The South? Not voting for a gay dude anytime soon. California? All but a lock for Bernie.
He's pretty much painted into a corner. Only thing left for him to decide is when he will announce, "South Bend will always be home. But after rest, reflection, and time with our dogs, Chasten and I have decided our next chapter is in (*insert purple state here*)..."
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.
Questioning if Bernie is the best candidate to beat Trump (crying not required) doesn't have to be mutually exclusive with actually pulling the lever for him. I begrudgingly voted for Hillary last time, will do the same for Bernie and even smile and argue on his behalf in the meantime. But it's not bizarre, crazy nor illogical to at this point in time question whether or not Bernie is the best chance to vote that a-hole out of the White House.
Questioning if Bernie is the best candidate to beat Trump (crying not required) doesn't have to be mutually exclusive with actually pulling the lever for him. I begrudgingly voted for Hillary last time, will do the same for Bernie and even smile and argue on his behalf in the meantime. But it's not bizarre, crazy nor illogical to at this point in time question whether or not Bernie is the best chance to vote that a-hole out of the White House.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.
Sure. And you realize you're in the minority, right? That's why Hillary lost. Democrats wouldn't come out and vote for her. So, it's entirely logical to start nipping that **** in the bud right now.
Sure. And you realize you're in the minority, right? That's why Hillary lost. Democrats wouldn't come out and vote for her. So, it's entirely logical to start nipping that **** in the bud right now.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.
That's probably a good bet.
I wonder how he'd do in MN. Seems like a good place to hunker down for an "aw shucks" Midwestern moderate political career. Run for governor to get executive experience. Give the presidency another try around 2040. Nobody's gonna give a sh-t about being gay then outside of the true toilet districts that are lost forever anyway.
<img src="https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/5QOCZDIHJQ3RXOXVHLMQNVGX3E.png&w=767" height=300>
Think of it, in 20 years:
98% of 8x-year old males
85% of 7x-year old males
55% of 6x-year old males
33% of 5x-year old males
will be dead.
Pretty much all the Phobes who aren't hardcore Thumpers will join the Happy Hunting Grounds where people who hated Catholics, Jews and, Blacks on principle went in the last 50 years. And good riddance.
I predict Buttigieg is going to be the first of the remaining group to suspend his campaign. His war chest is just about empty, and the demographics of the races coming up in the next week are not good for him. Minnesota? "Elena" has the moderates sewn up, you betcha. New England? Warren/Sanders territory. The South? Not voting for a gay dude anytime soon. California? All but a lock for Bernie.
He's pretty much painted into a corner. Only thing left for him to decide is when he will announce, "South Bend will always be home. But after rest, reflection, and time with our dogs, Chasten and I have decided our next chapter is in (*insert purple state here*)..."
That's probably a good bet.
I wonder how he'd do in MN. Seems like a good place to hunker down for an "aw shucks" Midwestern moderate political career. Run for governor to get executive experience. Give the presidency another try around 2040. Nobody's gonna give a sh-t about being gay then outside of the true toilet districts that are lost forever anyway.
<img src="https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/5QOCZDIHJQ3RXOXVHLMQNVGX3E.png&w=767" height=300>
Think of it, in 20 years:
98% of 8x-year old males
85% of 7x-year old males
55% of 6x-year old males
33% of 5x-year old males
will be dead.
Pretty much all the Phobes who aren't hardcore Thumpers will join the Happy Hunting Grounds where people who hated Catholics, Jews and, Blacks on principle went in the last 50 years. And good riddance.
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Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.
That data is nice but wouldn't you need to know who those independents voted for last election?
That data is nice but wouldn't you need to know who those independents voted for last election?
Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.
Where's the evidence that they'll come out and vote for Sanders? This is all speculation on everybody's part. The nuances of the electoral college could also end up doing the same thing to him as an influx of college age voters in California won't offset a loss of old timey Dems in PA for example.
Where's the evidence that they'll come out and vote for Sanders? This is all speculation on everybody's part. The nuances of the electoral college could also end up doing the same thing to him as an influx of college age voters in California won't offset a loss of old timey Dems in PA for example.
trixR4kids
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Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.
No because this data is more current.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.
Who's talking about Sanders? The rule is simple. No matter who the ****ing nominee is that's who you vote for. Are a lot of people going to be disappointed? Sure as **** they are. Doesn't matter.
Who's talking about Sanders? The rule is simple. No matter who the ****ing nominee is that's who you vote for. Are a lot of people going to be disappointed? Sure as **** they are. Doesn't matter.
Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.
Works for me. Wasn't sure where you were going with all that.
Works for me. Wasn't sure where you were going with all that.
Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.
Huh? What I'm saying is what if that data is the exact same breakdown as it was for independent voters between Clinton and Trump. What were the numbers on that?
Huh? What I'm saying is what if that data is the exact same breakdown as it was for independent voters between Clinton and Trump. What were the numbers on that?
Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.
I'll ask this again. Is this your rule all the time or only in this case because Trump is involved?
I'll ask this again. Is this your rule all the time or only in this case because Trump is involved?
French Rage
NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.
It's a rule all of the time when the other party's candidate is so awful and inappropriate for the job and all of the Dem candidates, while not perfect, have at least shown themselves to be reasonable and competent human beings.
It's a rule all of the time when the other party's candidate is so awful and inappropriate for the job and all of the Dem candidates, while not perfect, have at least shown themselves to be reasonable and competent human beings.
trixR4kids
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Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.
The first article I can find (Sept 2016) shows that her lead narrowed among independents 38 to 36. She didn't poll particularly well amongst them.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Democratic Challengers 10: If we stop fighting Nazis, the world will die.
I came to this conclusion somewhere around the 2000 timeframe. Much too late for my liking but I finally woke up. I should have figured it out in High School.
I came to this conclusion somewhere around the 2000 timeframe. Much too late for my liking but I finally woke up. I should have figured it out in High School.
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