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Dead Thread 2017-18: Fare Thee Well!!

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joecct said:
Great story of the 2000 campaign

https://www.weeklystandard.com/andrew-ferguson/reagan-mccain-and-sam-mcgee
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Awesome

As mookie often laments the failure of bubba and hilly to enact universal healthcare when they had the chance, mookie also wonders if things would be different if McCain had publicly brought W and crew to the carpet for calling his daughter a ni&&er. If he vocally screamed "what the hell is wrong with you?", would that have pushed the US to a different course today?
 
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Thought of something that has been thought of many times before, but IMO underappreciated, on all levels:

JMC said, "Hey, it's my time. Stop treatment. Gotta go." That takes BALLS. There was no "Is there anything else you can do for me? Any experimental sh*?" Nope. He accepted it. That takes balls. Think about it. Tell yourself "it's my time." and then accept that. JeffC. I don't have the words.
 
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Jesus Christ

“Arizona GOP Senate candidate Kelli Ward suggested that Sen. John McCain announced he was ending medical treatment for his brain cancer specifically to hurt her campaign, hours before McCain died.”
http://hill.cm/KRbLqrV
 
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joecct said:
Great story of the 2000 campaign

https://www.weeklystandard.com/andrew-ferguson/reagan-mccain-and-sam-mcgee
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They were apparently ignorant of one of the ironclad rules of modern poetry: Anyone who likes Robert Service can recite Robert Service. By the yard.
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Thankfully I didn't have to memorize "The Cremation of Sam McGee" the same way McCain did. Wow. Just WOW! One has to admit he was an impressive man regardless of one's political viewpoint.

Brenthoven said:
Thought of something that has been thought of many times before, but IMO underappreciated, on all levels:

JMC said, "Hey, it's my time. Stop treatment. Gotta go." That takes BALLS. There was no "Is there anything else you can do for me? Any experimental sh*?" Nope. He accepted it. That takes balls. Think about it. Tell yourself "it's my time." and then accept that. JeffC. I don't have the words.
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Anecdotally, I found a lot of cancer Pts go through palliative chemoTx/XRT for their families rather than themselves. Regardless, it DOES take some major yarbles to say stop.
 
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My maternal grandmother made the same choice. As she put it, "I'm alive because of the treatments, and I'm alive to get to the next treatment." She had had enough. She was very worried that stopping would be considered suicide and that she would be judged harshly for it by her Lord. The doctor was awesome and told her "This decision won't offend God. You've been kept alive through treatments all other creatures don't have access to. If anything, God is angry with me."
 
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joecct said:
@DanaBashCNN: John McCain dies 9 years to the day as his close friend Ted Kennedy
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Thats pretty odd, same disease, same day.
He had quite the life.

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John McSame was a great statesman and served us well when we had to deal with the national emergencies that were the Dumbya and Trumpf regimes, but I will never forgive him for 2008. His campaign of racism and misogyny showed that he was no maverick, but rather, a true Republican.
 
TimP said:
John McSame was a great statesman and served us well when we had to deal with the national emergencies that were the Dumbya and Trumpf regimes, but I will never forgive him for 2008. His campaign of racism and misogyny showed that he was no maverick, but rather, a true Republican.
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He doesn’t care what you forgive
 
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Senator McCain was a man and a politician. He had his faults and flaws, the biggest of which was arguably a level of self-importance, entitlement, and quest for power that made him a flip-flopper who pandered to popular positions depending on whether or not it was an election year, just to seem "maverick-y". The Palin running mate choice was the last straw, a hasty decision obviously made to play identity politics against Obama being black. So in those respects, I can't quite forgive him for being this generation's Aaron Burr.

That said, I'd prefer to remember him as one of our better elder statesmen who never quite achieved the Presidency, and leave it at that. Maybe more like this generation's Henry Clay. RIP, Senator.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Senator McCain was a man and a politician. He had his faults and flaws, the biggest of which was arguably a level of self-importance, entitlement, and quest for power that made him a flip-flopper who pandered to popular positions depending on whether or not it was an election year, just to seem "maverick-y". The Palin running mate choice was the last straw, a hasty decision obviously made to play identity politics against Obama being black. So in those respects, I can't quite forgive him for being this generation's Aaron Burr.

That said, I'd prefer to remember him as one of our better elder statesmen who never quite achieved the Presidency, and leave it at that. Maybe more like this generation's Henry Clay. RIP, Senator.
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I posted it in another thread, but that clip when he shut down that woman who said Obama was an Arab. JMC squashed that, and COMPLIMENTED Obama, and simply said they had their differences. Didn't rip Obama's views, just said he disagreed with them. it was friggin' awesome. Respectful disagreement is a lost art nowadays, ESPECIALLY in today's political world.
 
Brenthoven said:
I posted it in another thread, but that clip when he shut down that woman who said Obama was an Arab. JMC squashed that, and COMPLIMENTED Obama, and simply said they had their differences. Didn't rip Obama's views, just said he disagreed with them. it was friggin' awesome. Respectful disagreement is a lost art nowadays, ESPECIALLY in today's political world.
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Yes, probably McCain's best moment in the past 20 years. Shame he couldn't stick up for himself as fiercely when Dubya and Karl Rove smeared his family.
 
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state of hockey said:
My maternal grandmother made the same choice. As she put it, "I'm alive because of the treatments, and I'm alive to get to the next treatment." She had had enough. She was very worried that stopping would be considered suicide and that she would be judged harshly for it by her Lord. The doctor was awesome and told her "This decision won't offend God. You've been kept alive through treatments all other creatures don't have access to. If anything, God is angry with me."
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That doc is an amazing person. Kudos!

FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Senator McCain was a man and a politician. He had his faults and flaws, the biggest of which was arguably a level of self-importance, entitlement, and quest for power that made him a flip-flopper who pandered to popular positions depending on whether or not it was an election year, just to seem "maverick-y". The Palin running mate choice was the last straw, a hasty decision obviously made to play identity politics against Obama being black. So in those respects, I can't quite forgive him for being this generation's Aaron Burr.

That said, I'd prefer to remember him as one of our better elder statesmen who never quite achieved the Presidency, and leave it at that. Maybe more like this generation's Henry Clay. RIP, Senator.
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great post. There were parts of him that I was disappointed in and parts I deeply respected. When l look back it seems as if he was trying very hard to remain a statesman and every once in awhile he fatigued out ant tried it the 'party way'. Those times are the times I didn't like what he was doing. Looking at him thru the lens of today the guy is wonderful. THe current passle of infants on the hill could take lessons in how to be civil, try to work with each other and accomplish things.
 
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