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DEAD!! All right, who died now?

Re: DEAD!! All right, who died now?

2016 hasn't just taken the famous - it's taken absolute titans or larger than life members from their respective milieu. Bowie, Prince, John Glenn Frey, George Martin, Safer, Ali, Arnie, Gordie, Summitt, Buddy, Cruyff (if you're a Euro football fan), Bud Collins with no disrespect meant to anyone I missed.

At this rate we're not going to have any more living legends around anymore.
 
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Have we had a national hero since the end of the Apollo program and its predecessors?

I realized listening to Unger & Steele that I grew up without a true national hero.
 
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Well, then what will happen is simple. Unless a really big start drops, eventually a lot of these "famous" deaths will start to be reacted to with increasingly higher levels of "meh". When Willie Mays goes, that's a big one. Same with Mick Jagger. Clint Eastwood and Robert Redford will get the same treatment. But when a B-level singer/movie star/ball player drops off, you're going to get more of a "meh" as time goes on.

Perhaps some of that is related to what people are famous for. The people you mention have a body of high-quality work that spans decades, they all were prominently at the top of their field for a long time.

Some of it also might have to do with the field in which they gained fame. Some people revolutionized our lives in ways where the impact has been so profound yet now has become so commonplace that it fades into the background.

To some people, Andy Groves' death back in March of this year was a pretty big deal; to others, it was more "huh? who's he?" Yet most of us are using Intel chips to post here.

Michael Milken might be another of those "big deal / huh?" dichotomies. He revolutionized modern finance and his innovation created billions of incremental wealth for millions of people (and he's only 70, by the way, and reputedly in good health, so he's not on any watch list), but how many people under the age of 45 have even heard of him?
 
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Have we had a national hero since the end of the Apollo program and its predecessors?

I realized listening to Unger & Steele that I grew up without a true national hero.

This is a long reach, but General Schwarzkopf might be the closest thing to a national hero from my childhood. He was largely celebrated for his execution of Operation: Desert Storm. His planning led to far fewer casualties than anyone ever expected. He came onto the news and you understood the gravity of those things he said during his press briefings, but at the same time he had a friendly uncle sort of manner to how he handled himself.
 
Re: DEAD!! All right, who died now?

This is a long reach, but General Schwarzkopf might be the closest thing to a national hero from my childhood. He was largely celebrated for his execution of Operation: Desert Storm. His planning led to far fewer casualties than anyone ever expected. He came onto the news and you understood the gravity of those things he said during his press briefings, but at the same time he had a friendly uncle sort of manner to how he handled himself.

There was a time when Colin Powell was a near universal hero. An opera could be written about how he was betrayed by the Rumsfeld-Cheney crowd.

Obama will probably live another 40 years (you get good health care as an ex-president). When he dies he will probably be celebrated as a universal American hero in the mold of Lincoln or MLK. Not only because the racist turds of today will be dead, and the political battles that look so IMPORTANT today will be laughed about like bi-metallism, but because memories are sepia toned and presidents tend to glow in retirement. Hell, people even dredged up a few goods things to say about Dick.

And maybe one of the billionaire a-holes running around Silicon Valley will pull a new Carnegie and sink all his (or her) cash into a cancer space shot (or an FTL actual space shot) and make the nut. Maybe some lone doctor will cure schizophrenia or clinical depression, or some Edison will make a breakthrough that reduces the cost of renewable energy to practically zero.
 
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What about Sully?

He's far too humble, and not really seeking out the limelight. He completed his task, and as he put it, used his military training during an emergency situation. I know there was a book released, which he either co-authored or provided interview material, and he did a turn on the news talk shows to discuss his landing in the Hudson River, but his life won't receive the acclaim due to the fast paced media cycle these days, and the short attention spans of Joe Public. Had his even occurred some 15 years prior, he would have a much stronger case for such status.
 
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I gotta think if the US wins a World Cup there will be a few "heroes" out of it.

In that respect, Mia Hamm might count.
 
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Carl Palmer has to at least be just a little bit relieved that in a calendar year where we've lost (Keith) Emerson, (Greg) Lake & (Arnold) Palmer ... somehow he's still standing (so far).
 
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