Days Since Last Shooting II

[alfablue]

Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

I have, a few times. But apparently it's not the answer you want to hear.

I would like 2 independent doctors to give a full mental health clearance. Basics would include no depression, anger, bi-polar, etc issues. Add to that, no domestic violence/violent crime history (doesn't even have to be a felony).

Ok. So how do you want to address an issue of people falling through the cracks? Such as the shooter this past weekend. He was deemed by the military to not be allowed to get a gun, and that message was not passed on?

Also- are you suggesting that the two doctor background check happen prior to getting a gun? That's interesting.

As a follow up- if someone has to get documentation that they are allowed to have a gun, how is that different from a register licence?

Those are three real questions, not arguments.

As an "argument"- had the AR-15 not been allowed to be sold, regardless of how is deemed ok or not, the ability to get a gun would be much more difficult. And that kind of ban was on the books and was effective.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Ok. So how do you want to address an issue of people falling through the cracks? Such as the shooter this past weekend. He was deemed by the military to not be allowed to get a gun, and that message was not passed on?

Also- are you suggesting that the two doctor background check happen prior to getting a gun? That's interesting.

As a follow up- if someone has to get documentation that they are allowed to have a gun, how is that different from a register licence?

Those are three real questions, not arguments.

As an "argument"- had the AR-15 not been allowed to be sold, regardless of how is deemed ok or not, the ability to get a gun would be much more difficult. And that kind of ban was on the books and was effective.

If anything, it shows your idiotics aren't going to work. Your gun ban will work about as well as prohibition and the war on drugs.

 

[The Rube]

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Ok. So how do you want to address an issue of people falling through the cracks? Such as the shooter this past weekend. He was deemed by the military to not be allowed to get a gun, and that message was not passed on?

Also- are you suggesting that the two doctor background check happen prior to getting a gun? That's interesting.

As a follow up- if someone has to get documentation that they are allowed to have a gun, how is that different from a register licence?

Those are three real questions, not arguments.

As an "argument"- had the AR-15 not been allowed to be sold, regardless of how is deemed ok or not, the ability to get a gun would be much more difficult. And that kind of ban was on the books and was effective.

The armed forces failed to notify the proper channels about his domestic abuse. So, the law was there already. People will fall through the cracks, no matter how many laws and regulations there are.

And Handy: NYC was done for religious reasons. TX was done because the guy was mentally off. Completely different. LV is finally sorta coming out that the guy lost a ton of money, so the assumption is depression of some sort. Other white folk have gone the racist route, which is not a mental thing, IMO.

Each case has to be looked at separately, because each case CAN be different.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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The armed forces failed to notify the proper channels about his domestic abuse. So, the law was there already. People will fall through the cracks, no matter how many laws and regulations there are.

And Handy: NYC was done for religious reasons. TX was done because the guy was mentally off. Completely different. LV is finally sorta coming out that the guy lost a ton of money, so the assumption is depression of some sort. Other white folk have gone the racist route, which is not a mental thing, IMO.

Each case has to be looked at separately, because each case CAN be different.

Thank you Dr. Brenthoven. I had no clue clue you had already diagnosed the guy from NYC and Texas. Good work.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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The armed forces failed to notify the proper channels about his domestic abuse. So, the law was there already. People will fall through the cracks, no matter how many laws and regulations there are.

And Handy: NYC was done for religious reasons. TX was done because the guy was mentally off. Completely different. LV is finally sorta coming out that the guy lost a ton of money, so the assumption is depression of some sort. Other white folk have gone the racist route, which is not a mental thing, IMO.

Each case has to be looked at separately, because each case CAN be different.

Both Vegas and Texas look to be Antifa related. Vegas confirmed by FBI sources that actually gunned him down, and Texas based on the dude's social media account. And people wonder why some people try to avoid crowds...

Regardless of the motive for attack, what triggers them to attack is certainly of concern. And unfortunately, big pharma covers it up because the money coming in from Prozac and all those is just too good.

 

[The Rube]

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Thank you Dr. Brenthoven. I had no clue clue you had already diagnosed the guy from NYC and Texas. Good work.

When every article is confirming NYC guy yells out "God is great," and he said he was proud of the attack b/c of radicalization...

And the TX guy had domestic issues, violent tendencies, etc, those point to mental issues.

So, might want to read some more articles about the incident.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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When every article is confirming NYC guy yells out "God is great," and he said he was proud of the attack b/c of radicalization...

And the TX guy had domestic issues, violent tendencies, etc, those point to mental issues.

So, might want to read some more articles about the incident.

None of that means the guy from NYC wasn't mentally ill, or the guy from Texas and Vegas were. Stop playing doctor like the President.

 

[BassAle]

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None of that means the guy from NYC wasn't mentally ill, or the guy from Texas and Vegas were. Stop playing doctor like the President.

maybe not in the legal sense, but something is wrong with you mentally if you kill another human and it is not in self defense

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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maybe not in the legal sense, but something is wrong with you mentally if you kill another human and it is not in self defense

Exactly my point. They're treating the 3 mass killings differently to serve a political agenda. I'm asking them to stop it.

 

[Kepler]

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maybe not in the legal sense, but something is wrong with you mentally if you kill another human and it is not in self defense

Ideologies enable mentally normal people to do horrific things. No insanity required. Just gullibility.

 

[SJHovey]

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It is so cute that, once again, mental illness is being bandied about like as the pivot point. Why is it when white dude shoots up a church or a concert in Vegas there always has to be something mentally wrong with him? No one was asking these questions about the Uzbek Muslim who killed people in NY? What he doesnt have a mental illness because he believed in Allah? Why do we look for excuses?

And the problem with guns in this country isnt mental illness, it is the fact that people cant be trusted. People are stupid, violent, irrational and emotional and you give them the ability to inflict bodily harm and the right set of circumstances and they are going to do it. Not all of them are messed up emotionally or mentally and it is flipping disingenuous on both sides to pretend that is where the issue lies. Millions of people have mental illness and dont mass murder people. Lots of people murder people and are sound in mind and body. The problem with gun culture is the guns and the fact that too many men have too small of dicks (and never had the sack to join the military in many cases) and have to shoot off big guns to try and pretend they arent pathetic small dicked losers. Well you know what, save up, get a toupee and a sports car and have a mid life crisis that way because then maybe the only person you will harm is yourself.

I am sorry I am not going to play nice about this crap anymore. Every other day people are being shot en mass and yet we blame everything but the weapon. It is the biggest load of crap I have seen since liquor and beer commercials started telling us to drink responsibly.

You don't want to take it anymore, then do something about it. In your words, "sack up." And I'm not talking about doing the standard lefty response to these events of passing a law, posing in front of the cameras as you congratulate yourself, only to realize that you haven't even come close to addressing the problem. In other words, don't pass another law that says the mentally ill can't buy guns. Don't pass another law that says that if you're convicted of domestic violence you can't own a gun. Don't pass another law that says that if you are a convicted felon you can't own a gun. Don't pass a law that says that you can't buy a gun that looks menacing but shoots in the exact same way as your grandpappy's deer rifle. Don't pass a law that says you can only have 7 bullets in your gun, not 17. Because anyone who is honest will acknowledge that none of those laws would have prevented Texas or Vegas or Sandy Hook or Columbine or any of the others.

You want to do something about it, pass a law that bans private gun ownership. That will solve your problem. It's the only thing that will stop these tragedies. And if you don't think you can get that done with the Second Amendment in place, then get that Amendment repealed. Hell, if we can repeal an amendment relating to liquor we can surely repeal an amendment dealing with something as evil as guns.

Sack up. Let's do this. Or quit whining about it.

And by the way, I find it slightly creepy the amount of time that some of our more leftward leaning posters spend thinking about the genitalia of people on the political right, publicly commenting on it and it's relative size.

 

[Handyman]

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And Handy: NYC was done for religious reasons. TX was done because the guy was mentally off. Completely different. LV is finally sorta coming out that the guy lost a ton of money, so the assumption is depression of some sort. Other white folk have gone the racist route, which is not a mental thing, IMO.

How do you know he was "mentally off"? Because he has depression? So does my mom she never shot a bunch of people in a church. And last I checked the only person who confirmed the Vegas shooter might have mental issues was his pedo brother. And again, my gf's late brother had Schizophrenia and amazingly never killed anyone.

You people keep demonizing the mentally ill and blame them...even if you stop them from having guns none of this stops. This isnt about the mentally ill it is about the culture of guns. (and in the case of other types of killers bombs) People dont need to be mentally ill to want to harm dozens of people.

 

[Handyman]

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When every article is confirming NYC guy yells out "God is great," and he said he was proud of the attack b/c of radicalization...

And the TX guy had domestic issues, violent tendencies, etc, those point to mental issues.

So, might want to read some more articles about the incident.

How do you know the Uzbek Muslim wasnt mentally ill? Do mentally ill people not believe in God?

You dont even see that you are doing it...

Now the mentally ill are the ones with domestic issues and violent tendencies? Amazing...

 

[alfablue]

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You don't want to take it anymore, then do something about it. In your words, "sack up." And I'm not talking about doing the standard lefty response to these events of passing a law, posing in front of the cameras as you congratulate yourself, only to realize that you haven't even come close to addressing the problem. In other words, don't pass another law that says the mentally ill can't buy guns. Don't pass another law that says that if you're convicted of domestic violence you can't own a gun. Don't pass another law that says that if you are a convicted felon you can't own a gun. Don't pass a law that says that you can't buy a gun that looks menacing but shoots in the exact same way as your grandpappy's deer rifle. Don't pass a law that says you can only have 7 bullets in your gun, not 17. Because anyone who is honest will acknowledge that none of those laws would have prevented Texas or Vegas or Sandy Hook or Columbine or any of the others.

You want to do something about it, pass a law that bans private gun ownership. That will solve your problem. It's the only thing that will stop these tragedies. And if you don't think you can get that done with the Second Amendment in place, then get that Amendment repealed. Hell, if we can repeal an amendment relating to liquor we can surely repeal an amendment dealing with something as evil as guns.

Sack up. Let's do this. Or quit whining about it.

And by the way, I find it slightly creepy the amount of time that some of our more leftward leaning posters spend thinking about the genitalia of people on the political right, publicly commenting on it and it's relative size.

Instead of going that far, how about we understand WHY the laws are not effective? Why do we always need to bail out and pretend that we have to go whole hog in banning or releasing things.

The Time article I read clearly showed a low point in mass murders during the assault weapons ban. That actually worked and was effective. We can do that again. I just don't understand WHY that approach can be used again. It was not a total repeal of the 2nd Amendment- it was a restriction on weapons that have no real useful reason to be out in the public. Granted, it was worded badly, but it's pretty easy to word it correctly.

If we have laws on the books that *should* have prevented the mass shootings as you point out - why is it so hard to find the weakness in the law and fix it? Nothing is every going to be 100% perfect, we are humans after all. But that also means we can improve on things that are flawed.

There's a reason why this guy got a gun when he was not supposed to be able to. Lets fix that.

 

[alfablue]

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The armed forces failed to notify the proper channels about his domestic abuse. So, the law was there already. People will fall through the cracks, no matter how many laws and regulations there are.

So how do you figure to address that?

And what about the other questions- is the idea to mentally screen everyone getting a gun? Or just people getting specific guns?

And how does that differ from a licence that so many people are against?

(ironic that one requires a document to vote, legally. But that same kind of document isn't required to have a gun- both are constitutionally protected things. What's up with that?)

 

[Handyman]

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You don't want to take it anymore, then do something about it. In your words, "sack up." And I'm not talking about doing the standard lefty response to these events of passing a law, posing in front of the cameras as you congratulate yourself, only to realize that you haven't even come close to addressing the problem. In other words, don't pass another law that says the mentally ill can't buy guns. Don't pass another law that says that if you're convicted of domestic violence you can't own a gun. Don't pass another law that says that if you are a convicted felon you can't own a gun. Don't pass a law that says that you can't buy a gun that looks menacing but shoots in the exact same way as your grandpappy's deer rifle. Don't pass a law that says you can only have 7 bullets in your gun, not 17. Because anyone who is honest will acknowledge that none of those laws would have prevented Texas or Vegas or Sandy Hook or Columbine or any of the others.

You want to do something about it, pass a law that bans private gun ownership. That will solve your problem. It's the only thing that will stop these tragedies. And if you don't think you can get that done with the Second Amendment in place, then get that Amendment repealed. Hell, if we can repeal an amendment relating to liquor we can surely repeal an amendment dealing with something as evil as guns.

Sack up. Let's do this. Or quit whining about it.

And by the way, I find it slightly creepy the amount of time that some of our more leftward leaning posters spend thinking about the genitalia of people on the political right, publicly commenting on it and it's relative size.

If I was in a position to pass a law I would. I am not but I will vote for those that do and will speak out against the clowns that dont. You wanna try again?

(and yes that means if a liberal comes out against reform I wont vote for them)

I dont want guns gone, but this wild west mentality we have now is a joke and needs to change.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Saying we don't do anything about it is disingenuous. We all vote. That's all any of us can do sometimes.

 

[Kepler]

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Do mentally ill people not believe in God?

Must... not... make... joke...

 

[SJHovey]

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The Time article I read clearly showed a low point in mass murders during the assault weapons ban. That actually worked and was effective. We can do that again. I just don't understand WHY that approach can be used again. It was not a total repeal of the 2nd Amendment- it was a restriction on weapons that have no real useful reason to be out in the public. Granted, it was worded badly, but it's pretty easy to word it correctly.

But here's the thing, the assault weapons ban really didn't work. That's the sad thing. It didn't. Every credible independent study that looked at it was unable to find any statistical support to suggest it had any impact at all.

I think the reason for that is that while from a public newsworthiness standpoint events like Texas and Vegas are huge, they are statistically insignificant. My guess, and it's purely a guess, is that way more people died from gunshot wounds in the time period between the Las Vegas shooting and Texas shooting than died in those two shootings combined. I think we average something like 30-35 gun homicides a day in this country. I suspect the huge majority of them have nothing to do with assault weapons or high capacity magazines in weapons.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. We give way, way too much coverage to these people who commit these crimes and to the events themselves. If you are a sick, depressed or depraved individual and you want to go out with a big bang, gaining yourself worldwide infamy, a mass shooting is the way to go, and these guys know it.

 

[5mn_Major]

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And Handy: NYC was done for religious reasons. TX was done because the guy was mentally off. Completely different.

Uh no. Kelley was always talking about how people who believe in God were stupid and trying to preach his atheism. In the end, he ended up with a specific goal of killing church goers. Including a violent track record, he shows all the militant extremist characteristics of the NYC culprits.

But neither atheism or Islam is to blame or we'd be living in war zones. They were militant extremists who used a platform (it doesn't even matter what it was) to justify their anger and translating it into killing. No they were not insane. And yes, access to weapons of mass destruction and killing enabled them to cause as much carnage as possible.