It seems like a wonderful place, but there is something seriously wrong with Colorado. Why do they keep having these things happen?
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Days Since Last Shooting II
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It seems like a wonderful place, but there is something seriously wrong with Colorado. Why do they keep having these things happen?
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Yes, the problem is unique to Colorado
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
Your finger will get tired scrolling through the list for the 21st century.
Maybe the problem is the uniquely American attitude that guns are farking awesome, everyone is entitled to have however many they please, and that shooting is fun.
Yes, the problem is unique to Colorado
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
Your finger will get tired scrolling through the list for the 21st century.
Maybe the problem is the uniquely American attitude that guns are farking awesome, everyone is entitled to have however many they please, and that shooting is fun.
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Say it again.
Yes, the problem is unique to Colorado
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
Your finger will get tired scrolling through the list for the 21st century.
Maybe the problem is the uniquely American attitude that guns are farking awesome, everyone is entitled to have however many they please, and that shooting is fun.
Say it again.
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@nbcboston: RIGHT NOW: Texas Tech on lockdown after campus police officer shot and killed; authorities hunting for gunman. https://trib.al/L0DcCKj
@nbcboston: RIGHT NOW: Texas Tech on lockdown after campus police officer shot and killed; authorities hunting for gunman. https://trib.al/L0DcCKj
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So, you're saying that maybe more laws won't matter a whole lot? Huh. Many of us have said that for a while now.
So, you're saying that maybe more laws won't matter a whole lot? Huh. Many of us have said that for a while now.
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Uh no, I'm saying that laws are needed to overcome that incredibly stupid attitude
So, you're saying that maybe more laws won't matter a whole lot? Huh. Many of us have said that for a while now.
Uh no, I'm saying that laws are needed to overcome that incredibly stupid attitude
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No laws will do that. It will take many years of shifting of views of the guns themselves.
Used to be, if you had an issue, you either talked it out, or maybe duked it out. Now? It's "Gonna get my gun and solve this." (Yes, mental health is now more recognizable, also, along with other things that contribute to the "gun = solution" mentality)
Uh no, I'm saying that laws are needed to overcome that incredibly stupid attitude
No laws will do that. It will take many years of shifting of views of the guns themselves.
Used to be, if you had an issue, you either talked it out, or maybe duked it out. Now? It's "Gonna get my gun and solve this." (Yes, mental health is now more recognizable, also, along with other things that contribute to the "gun = solution" mentality)
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No, it didn't. How do you balance that with violent crime including shootings being significantly down from "the good old days"? The difference is easily accessible 24 hour national news coverage vs seeing the whole countries news covered in 30 minutes and 30 minutes of local news. It FEELS worse. There is 24/7 competition to broadcast the most sensational crap available.
Gun owners seem to pride themselves on being "law abiding ', let's put that to the test.
No, it didn't. How do you balance that with violent crime including shootings being significantly down from "the good old days"? The difference is easily accessible 24 hour national news coverage vs seeing the whole countries news covered in 30 minutes and 30 minutes of local news. It FEELS worse. There is 24/7 competition to broadcast the most sensational crap available.
Gun owners seem to pride themselves on being "law abiding ', let's put that to the test.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
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If one has the attitude that the only way to solve the issue is with a gun, no law will stop that. No laws might even CURB that attitude. That person will find a gun to use to satisfy whatever reasons they have to use one.
And no, I'm not saying "do nothing." I am all for making sure whoever is capable and sensible enough to own a gun, can own a gun. There are holes in the laws we have. I have issues with folks who want to ban semi-automatics (not even CLOSE to practical) or basically ban guns overall. They are not addressing the main issue that is causing all this in the first place.
The LV shooter was law-abiding, until he broke the law. And the carelessness of many a gun owner (legal and illegal) also contributes to harm caused by guns. This isn't even addressing the gang violence/domestics/etc where disputes are taken care of with a gun.
If one has the attitude that the only way to solve the issue is with a gun, no law will stop that. No laws might even CURB that attitude. That person will find a gun to use to satisfy whatever reasons they have to use one.
And no, I'm not saying "do nothing." I am all for making sure whoever is capable and sensible enough to own a gun, can own a gun. There are holes in the laws we have. I have issues with folks who want to ban semi-automatics (not even CLOSE to practical) or basically ban guns overall. They are not addressing the main issue that is causing all this in the first place.
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College student taken into custody by campus police, shoots officer in the head, flees, taken safely back into custody.
Good thing he's white or he'd be dead.
Is it time to talk about guns yet or still too soon?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/us/texas-tech-shooting.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur
College student taken into custody by campus police, shoots officer in the head, flees, taken safely back into custody.
Good thing he's white or he'd be dead.
Is it time to talk about guns yet or still too soon?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/us/texas-tech-shooting.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur
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Like the gun has a mind of its own, and the person had nothing to do with it...
Like the gun has a mind of its own, and the person had nothing to do with it...
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Our enemies find their biggest obstacle to conquering us to be the second amendment. There is a defender with a gun behind every blade of grass. If they can make the majority defenseless, they will conquer. And they will use whatever means possible to turn the people away from that fact and voluntarily make themselves defenseless.
Our enemies find their biggest obstacle to conquering us to be the second amendment. There is a defender with a gun behind every blade of grass. If they can make the majority defenseless, they will conquer. And they will use whatever means possible to turn the people away from that fact and voluntarily make themselves defenseless.
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How the he## did they not pat him down before even putting him in the patrol car?
How the he## did they not pat him down before even putting him in the patrol car?
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
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Its Texas...
How the he## did they not pat him down before even putting him in the patrol car?
Its Texas...
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So are you saying that we should do nothing because laws are not going to matter much, or what?
You pretend that you really want to do something, but then you point out that YOU have been saying that new laws would not be effective.
What's your REAL story?
Real laws can EASILY make it more difficult for someone to arm themselves like this. Easily.
But since they would not be perfect, and it would take a long time to get the crap out of the gun industry lemmings, people keep trying to say that they would be pointless.
You gun lovers are so freaking stupid to think the gun lobby was so right that you needed to pad the pockets of gun makers that it's insane. There's no reason at all to have the weapons that this moron had. But since the NRA has convinced you that you need them, and you are dumb enough to believe them, we are stuck. Now there's a run on items that should have never been available in the first place. Thanks a lot, you freaking morons.
How about start to think for yourself once, and not for the people trying to take your money?
This is turning out to be a lot like trying to take nuclear weapons from North Korea- who is convinced that we are going to invade, so that he needs the most destructive weapons to that he can make a first strike. And now that it's too late- there's hardly a realistic solution. Given that 3/4 of the republican party thinks this way, it's no shock at all that both our country is so armed with crap they don't need and that North Korea has nuclear weapons. Both are irrational desires based on false fear. Yea, America is clearly better, now.
So, you're saying that maybe more laws won't matter a whole lot? Huh. Many of us have said that for a while now.
So are you saying that we should do nothing because laws are not going to matter much, or what?
You pretend that you really want to do something, but then you point out that YOU have been saying that new laws would not be effective.
What's your REAL story?
Real laws can EASILY make it more difficult for someone to arm themselves like this. Easily.
But since they would not be perfect, and it would take a long time to get the crap out of the gun industry lemmings, people keep trying to say that they would be pointless.
You gun lovers are so freaking stupid to think the gun lobby was so right that you needed to pad the pockets of gun makers that it's insane. There's no reason at all to have the weapons that this moron had. But since the NRA has convinced you that you need them, and you are dumb enough to believe them, we are stuck. Now there's a run on items that should have never been available in the first place. Thanks a lot, you freaking morons.
How about start to think for yourself once, and not for the people trying to take your money?
This is turning out to be a lot like trying to take nuclear weapons from North Korea- who is convinced that we are going to invade, so that he needs the most destructive weapons to that he can make a first strike. And now that it's too late- there's hardly a realistic solution. Given that 3/4 of the republican party thinks this way, it's no shock at all that both our country is so armed with crap they don't need and that North Korea has nuclear weapons. Both are irrational desires based on false fear. Yea, America is clearly better, now.
Kepler
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I assume Brent is thinking. I don't agree with him at all, but he's also engaging and trying to be understood.
I supect most of this is what we grew up with. Where I grew up, owning a gun was bizarre behavior in and of itself, and the idea that we accept deaths to protect the right to have a gun is a wildly out of whack priority. This sentence:
makes me shake my head and think, "with all the other things in the world people need, from good housing to health care to a job, why pick that hill to die on?" It's like making an impassioned plea for the sanctity of eating bacon and screw what the doctor said. Who gives that much of a sh-t about a commodity?
But. Where I just lived for more than a decade owning a gun is normal, and more importantly it's a rite of passage to male working class adulthood and a keystone of a very aggressive, highly paranoid cultural identity. You may as well tell people they can't drive their own cars anymore.
Most gun owners also tend to be rabidly pro-police, pro- "law and order", so I suggest one step: if you commit a violent crime while carrying a gun you get ten years slapped onto your sentence, mandatory, no appeal.
I assume Brent is thinking. I don't agree with him at all, but he's also engaging and trying to be understood.
I supect most of this is what we grew up with. Where I grew up, owning a gun was bizarre behavior in and of itself, and the idea that we accept deaths to protect the right to have a gun is a wildly out of whack priority. This sentence:
makes me shake my head and think, "with all the other things in the world people need, from good housing to health care to a job, why pick that hill to die on?" It's like making an impassioned plea for the sanctity of eating bacon and screw what the doctor said. Who gives that much of a sh-t about a commodity?
But. Where I just lived for more than a decade owning a gun is normal, and more importantly it's a rite of passage to male working class adulthood and a keystone of a very aggressive, highly paranoid cultural identity. You may as well tell people they can't drive their own cars anymore.
Most gun owners also tend to be rabidly pro-police, pro- "law and order", so I suggest one step: if you commit a violent crime while carrying a gun you get ten years slapped onto your sentence, mandatory, no appeal.
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