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Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0

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jerphisch said:
Why would the discussion be limited to mass shootings rather than all shootings? I'll admit I'm on the extreme side where I'd have no problem with the correct steps being taken to go full Australia and pretty much make owning all guns illegal (with sensible exceptions) and buy back everything. Recognizing there is less chance of that happening than being killed in a home invasion, 6 rounds per magazine seems reasonable to me in any type of gun.
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I'd say 10-12 is more reasonable.
 
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jerphisch said:
Reducing the availability of guns would make the biggest impact on the suicide rate, and I can't see how that is so easily ignored.
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It wouldn't. It's probably the one thing that wouldn't go down. Suicide by gun would go down, but for most people, they find another way. Be it poison, hanging, exsanguination, or car in the garage. Suicidal depression is a horrible mental disease. As someone who's seen multiple friends of friends (thankfully, no immediate friends) make multiple attempts before they finally ended it, they will find a way if we don't address the mental health situation.
 
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Brenthoven said:
And right now, USA has SO many guns, legal and illegal, that that kind of action would be fruitless, unless you went full-on police state, and absolutely concretely secured CA/MX borders (every inch), etc.
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You realize you sound like you are saying "we cant stop it so screw it" crowd right? I know you arent saying that but that is what it sounds like.

Even if you can stop 20% of the ridiculousness that is better than the current 0%.
 
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Handyman said:
You realize you sound like you are saying "we cant stop it so screw it" crowd right? I know you arent saying that but that is what it sounds like.

Even if you can stop 20% of the ridiculousness that is better than the current 0%.
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And at what cost, as in the terms for the freedoms of this country? Yes, I know that sounds just as bad, and am glad you know what I am really saying. I want deeper background checks/mental health checks before one can obtain a gun. Yes, some will still slip through (probably this Orlando extremist), but stopping a few is better than stopping none. I'd LIKE to say that him being on the FBI Watch List would prevent him from that, but that opens another can of worms (discrimination on color, religion, whatever).
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
It wouldn't. It's probably the one thing that wouldn't go down. Suicide by gun would go down, but for most people, they find another way. Be it poison, hanging, exsanguination, or car in the garage. Suicidal depression is a horrible mental disease. As someone who's seen multiple friends of friends (thankfully, no immediate friends) make multiple attempts before they finally ended it, they will find a way if we don't address the mental health situation.
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All that is true, but there are also people that attempt suicide and DO address their mental health situation after. Since gun is the most effective method of suicide, reducing the attempts with a gun to another method improves their odds of survival and having a chance to seek help.
 
Handyman said:
You realize you sound like you are saying "we cant stop it so screw it" crowd right? I know you arent saying that but that is what it sounds like.

Even if you can stop 20% of the ridiculousness that is better than the current 0%.
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There might be 300 or 400 million guns in this country already. The "limiting access" argument is a horse that's left the barn.
 
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jerphisch said:
All that is true, but there are also people that attempt suicide and DO address their mental health situation after. Since gun is the most effective method of suicide, reducing the attempts with a gun to another method improves their odds of survival and having a chance to seek help.
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Fair enough. Guns are a permanent "fix" to a mental health problem.
 
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I've had two friends that committed suicide. One by the classic shotgun to the head, the other by hanging.

A gun is a "quicker" way, but only if you do it correctly. So many ways that it could go (for lack of a better word) wrong. The most effective way is just starting up the car in a closed garage and falling asleep. You're gonna die, it's just a matter of when.

It's a very terrible thing to talk about, but so far, nothing else has worked, it's time to start spit-balling, and yet not try and find the quick-fix.
 
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Do it right? What are you talking about? A gun has no margin for second chances.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Do it right? What are you talking about? A gun has no margin for second chances.
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Um, yeah, it does. Missed the mark, lodged somewhere in the (part of body), basically you're still alive, but with a LOT of mental damage, that sort of thing. It can, and has, happened.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
I disagree with that characterization. When multiple families within a couple mile radius are getting their doors kicked in and beaten to within an inch of their lives, I think having some form of reliable protection comes from an innately human sense of self-preservation.
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Nothing like that happens around here yet you have people afraid to be without a gun.
 
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SJHovey said:
There might be 300 or 400 million guns in this country already. The "limiting access" argument is a horse that's left the barn.
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Well then there are plenty of guns for everyone so we can stop making them and reply on the secondary market.
 
BassAle said:
The second amendment was one of our founding fathers biggest mistakes.
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By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
Their flag to April’s breeze unfurled,
Here once the embattled farmers stood,
And fired the shot heard round the world.

Take away the farmers' guns and their is no rebellion, no Declaration of Independence and no Constitution. The Founding Fathers knew exactly what they were doing.
 
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joecct said:
By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
Their flag to April’s breeze unfurled,
Here once the embattled farmers stood,
And fired the shot heard round the world.

Take away the farmers' guns and their is no rebellion, no Declaration of Independence and no Constitution. The Founding Fathers knew exactly what they were doing.
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BassAle wants oppressive rule. I suggest BassAle move to Europe where BassAle can have what BassAle wants.
 
joecct said:
By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
Their flag to April’s breeze unfurled,
Here once the embattled farmers stood,
And fired the shot heard round the world.

Take away the farmers' guns and their is no rebellion, no Declaration of Independence and no Constitution. The Founding Fathers knew exactly what they were doing.
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The Canadians turned out just fine (and more civilized).

The problem with the second amendment is it is poorly worded (every gun humper ignores the well regulated militia part), and sure the founding fathers never shined private citizens would build huge personal arsenals of rapid fire weapons designed only to kill other humans.
 
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Boy you guys have quite the fantasy about the second amendment. I'll bet if we didn't have it we'd all be driving nice cars, a swell gal, and a cushy job!

Eta: I should probably add a :D just to make sure my tone comes across correctly. :D
 
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