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Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0

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5mn_Major said:
If light weight and comfort are they're only benefit...why don't other guns offer those versions? Ban high rates of fire...and gun advocates should be satisfied.



Any weapons with high rates of fire and large magazines are not required for hunting but are useful in killing large numbers of people.

It seems there are a handful of games that gun advocates play to avoid discussing the management of gun violence. Playing with definitions is just one.
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What's considered a high rate of fire? What's considered a large magazine?
 
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leswp1 said:
My inititial response was for the same reason people need a TV bigger than their neighbors but then I read this...

That is an interesting stat. I have a friend whose family member has a machine gun mounted to the back of a jeep so they can drive around their acres and shoot stuff. Not hunting. Just because they can. Do they have fun? Yup. People also want to do many other things that are fun that aren't allowed- do recreational drugs, drink and drive, etc. Somewhere (no idea where) there should be a line between wanting to have things and the 'right' to have things for a reason.
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I own a number of guns. A couple of them I've owned for more than 40 years.

I've never owned an AR-15 style rifle, for these reasons. First, I think they look stupid. Walking around with one in the woods as you hunt deer, you look like some sort of Rambo want-to-be. I've always just assumed these people are overcompensating for something.

Second, their performance sucks. Like all semi-automatic rifles, they are prone to jamming and their accuracy is questionable because the cartridge doesn't always get properly seated in the chamber. That's why in true shooting competitions you never see a semi-automatic rifle used.

But, from that standpoint, they are really no different than a semi-automatic rifle that you painted pink and tried to sell to me. I would reject it for the exact same reasons.

But other than the "scary" appearance of these rifles, they aren't any different from your run of the mill semi-automatic rifle that hunters safely use every year. It would be just as rational to ban all composite stock semi-automatic rifles but leave wood ones legal.
 
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SJHovey said:
But other than the "scary" appearance of these rifles, they aren't any different from your run of the mill semi-automatic rifle that hunters safely use every year. It would be just as rational to ban all composite stock semi-automatic rifles but leave wood ones legal.
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To be fair, the wood ones are beautiful.
 
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hockeyplayer1015 said:
With dry-run repetition, somebody could easily change out a magazine in 3-5 seconds at most.
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Part of a ND Class I concealed test involves changing out magazines during live fire shooting: hit mag release (allow empty to fall to floor), slam next one in (already in support hand), hit slide release. Maybe 2 seconds.
 
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leswp1 said:
My inititial response was for the same reason people need a TV bigger than their neighbors but then I read this...

That is an interesting stat. I have a friend whose family member has a machine gun mounted to the back of a jeep so they can drive around their acres and shoot stuff. Not hunting. Just because they can. Do they have fun? Yup. People also want to do many other things that are fun that aren't allowed- do recreational drugs, drink and drive, etc. Somewhere (no idea where) there should be a line between wanting to have things and the 'right' to have things for a reason.
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I'm sure some people would love to have explosives. It would be fun to blow stuff up. I'm sure there are many heavy weapons that people would love to have. But society has deemed them as dangerous and rightfully so. If AR 15s are the favorite of mass murders making them more successful, then it appears that it should be on the same list.
 
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5mn_Major said:
If light weight and comfort are they're only benefit...why don't other guns offer those versions? Ban high rates of fire...and gun advocates should be satisfied.



Any weapons with high rates of fire and large magazines are not required for hunting but are useful in killing large numbers of people.

It seems there are a handful of games that gun advocates play to avoid discussing the management of gun violence. Playing with definitions is just one.
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"High rates of fire"... how does an "assault weapon" that is semi-automatic (again, 1 shot fired for each individual trigger pull) have a higher rate of fire as a hunting rifle that is also semi-automatic?

What you want banned (fully automatic "machine guns") are already virtually banned.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
What's considered a high rate of fire? What's considered a large magazine?
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What's really necessary for hunting. Necessary.

If you want to shoot someone, nobody can stop you. If you want to shoot up a night club, you shouldn't be have access to weapons that make it exceptionally easy to do so.
 
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5mn_Major said:
What's really necessary for hunting. Necessary.

If you want to shoot someone, nobody can stop you. If you want to shoot up a night club, you shouldn't be have access to weapons that make it exceptionally easy to do so.
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A bolt action rifle will shoot up a night club
 
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Here is a number that gives you some food for thought. Between 1998 and 2012 there were over 156 million applications for gun purchases in the U.S. How many of those sales went through? Hard to say, but I'd be willing to bet at least half.

Personally I own more than 10 guns, and haven't bought one since 1998, so I wasn't even one of those applications. I have family members who own probably another 20-25 guns, and I doubt more than one or two of those have been purchased since 1998. If our family is anything close to typical, how many guns are out there?

I only point these numbers out because like the idea that we're just going to round up 8 million Mexicans and bus them back to Mexico, the idea of getting guns off the streets and keeping them out of the hands of bad guys is a lot closer to impossible than it ever will be to realistic.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
WHat's necessary to defend a home?
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The gun folks at my work are adamant that you don't want to use a long gun for home defense. At such close quarters you're just going to blow a hole through the bedroom wall and kill Little Emma Belle yourself.
 
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5mn_Major said:
What's really necessary for hunting. Necessary.

If you want to shoot someone, nobody can stop you. If you want to shoot up a night club, you shouldn't be have access to weapons that make it exceptionally easy to do so.
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WHat's necessary to defend a home? We've already had Heller which indicates semiautomatic handguns are legal to own and don't need to be locked up. What's the difference between a guy walking into a night club with two handguns or a single semiautomatic rifle and a sidearm?
 
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