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Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0
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Seems like the gun lobby consistently suggests some work on mental health issues.
But I've never seen that suggestion followed by any hard ideas to do something.
Curious.
Yes, it's a person who is pulling the trigger- so what should be done??? What concrete thing can be done to prevent people from even attempting mass murders?
Or should we just deal with this as a part of life?
Seems like the gun lobby consistently suggests some work on mental health issues.
But I've never seen that suggestion followed by any hard ideas to do something.
Curious.
Yes, it's a person who is pulling the trigger- so what should be done??? What concrete thing can be done to prevent people from even attempting mass murders?
Or should we just deal with this as a part of life?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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4 and 8: I share the civil liberties concerns and they should be reflected in the rules.
5. Hey, it may be the weather. But let's find out. Banning the research was a truly cynical maneuver, and it kinda cries out "let's burn down the observatory."
4 and 8: I share the civil liberties concerns and they should be reflected in the rules.
5. Hey, it may be the weather. But let's find out. Banning the research was a truly cynical maneuver, and it kinda cries out "let's burn down the observatory."
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I'd do the following:
1) Ban all guns that can fire more than 10 rounds before reloading. Simply put people have no chance to run/overwhelm the shooter if he can keep blasting away uninterrupted.
2) Anybody with documented mental health issues or is under criminal or terrorism investigation is put on hold from owning a gun. If you ARE under investigation, gun must be stored off your premise (like at a gun club, etc).
3) Every gun sales private or public goes through check. Anybody who goes around this law and sells a gun used in a crime can be held partially liable.
But, lets call it like we see it. Either the American people 1) elect a Congress that will enact gun control legislation, or 2) elects a Congress that blocks it and these massacres will keep happening. Simply put its a choice voters are making this election on this issue. Divided govt = nothing gets done so you're happy with status quo.
I'd do the following:
1) Ban all guns that can fire more than 10 rounds before reloading. Simply put people have no chance to run/overwhelm the shooter if he can keep blasting away uninterrupted.
2) Anybody with documented mental health issues or is under criminal or terrorism investigation is put on hold from owning a gun. If you ARE under investigation, gun must be stored off your premise (like at a gun club, etc).
3) Every gun sales private or public goes through check. Anybody who goes around this law and sells a gun used in a crime can be held partially liable.
But, lets call it like we see it. Either the American people 1) elect a Congress that will enact gun control legislation, or 2) elects a Congress that blocks it and these massacres will keep happening. Simply put its a choice voters are making this election on this issue. Divided govt = nothing gets done so you're happy with status quo.
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The 10 round proposal is fine for handguns.
Maybe one can limit the magazine size to the energy (weight + charge) of a magazine. 10 rounds of 45 cal would a reasonable start.
The 10 round proposal is fine for handguns.
Maybe one can limit the magazine size to the energy (weight + charge) of a magazine. 10 rounds of 45 cal would a reasonable start.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
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Rifle rounds tend to be smaller caliber (diameter) than handgun rounds. Most rifles are 5.56 mm (.223 caliber) or 7.62 mm (.30 caliber). Most handguns are above .30 caliber. (Note the words "most" and "tend" as I'm speaking in gereralizations.)
Rifles do generally have higher muzzle velocities and better accuracy (because of the longer barrel).
The average hunting rifle has a small magazine ("clips" are for paper). My (.40 caliber) handgun has 11 or 16 round magazines. The 9 mm version has 13 or 19 round magazines. Those are illegal in CA (yet San Bernadino happened).
And a drunk can get behind the wheel of a car or a semi.
Rifle rounds tend to be smaller caliber (diameter) than handgun rounds. Most rifles are 5.56 mm (.223 caliber) or 7.62 mm (.30 caliber). Most handguns are above .30 caliber. (Note the words "most" and "tend" as I'm speaking in gereralizations.)
Rifles do generally have higher muzzle velocities and better accuracy (because of the longer barrel).
The average hunting rifle has a small magazine ("clips" are for paper). My (.40 caliber) handgun has 11 or 16 round magazines. The 9 mm version has 13 or 19 round magazines. Those are illegal in CA (yet San Bernadino happened).
And a drunk can get behind the wheel of a car or a semi.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
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What about the other factors in this mess?
The perpetrator.
The ideology.
The goal.
Coincidence?
https://pjmedia.com/homeland-securi...olf-terrorist-previously-investigated-by-fbi/
What about the other factors in this mess?
The perpetrator.
The ideology.
The goal.
Coincidence?
https://pjmedia.com/homeland-securi...olf-terrorist-previously-investigated-by-fbi/
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Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
In the State of Alaska, and I'm sure many others, it is perfectly legal to buy or sell a firearm to/from anyone in a private sale with absolutely no background check performed.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
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I'll probably get called a whatever, but I won't sell (or give) a firearm to someone I don't know and trust. I wish everyone had that mindset.
I'll probably get called a whatever, but I won't sell (or give) a firearm to someone I don't know and trust. I wish everyone had that mindset.
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The reason it seems like there hasn't been legislation passed since the Brady bill is that almost all gun regulation is local, from state legislative bills on down. Things that are happening in Ohio don't make their way out to where we live until something gets appealed to the SCOTUS.
As I recall the results of the study, they found there is a substantial increase in the amount of legislation authored following mass shootings. Obviously, they don't pass a majority of the laws, but a significant number do get passed.
The only reason that I remember the study is that one of their other findings is that there is an uptick in legislation introduced both for and against tighter controls. In other words, it may be equally likely that the "gotta pass a law" crowd seeks to make it easier to get a permit or buy a weapon.
Again, another side effect of our reaction to always pass a law in response to every event that occurs.
I don't recall that the study provided any sort of list of state or local laws passed in response to mass shootings, but if I can find the report again and it has such a list, I'll link to it.
I just saw a report on a study about this. I can't be positive, but I think it came out of Harvard. They studied the impact of mass shootings on follow up legislation pertaining to gun control.
The reason it seems like there hasn't been legislation passed since the Brady bill is that almost all gun regulation is local, from state legislative bills on down. Things that are happening in Ohio don't make their way out to where we live until something gets appealed to the SCOTUS.
As I recall the results of the study, they found there is a substantial increase in the amount of legislation authored following mass shootings. Obviously, they don't pass a majority of the laws, but a significant number do get passed.
The only reason that I remember the study is that one of their other findings is that there is an uptick in legislation introduced both for and against tighter controls. In other words, it may be equally likely that the "gotta pass a law" crowd seeks to make it easier to get a permit or buy a weapon.
Again, another side effect of our reaction to always pass a law in response to every event that occurs.
I don't recall that the study provided any sort of list of state or local laws passed in response to mass shootings, but if I can find the report again and it has such a list, I'll link to it.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
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Didnt stop Florida from using similar list to purge their voter rolls...
Didnt stop Florida from using similar list to purge their voter rolls...
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
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The FBI had this guano loco jamoke on the radar since 2013.
The FBI knew about Mohammed Atta and his band of box cutters.
Is the FBI incompetent or impotent.
The FBI had this guano loco jamoke on the radar since 2013.
The FBI knew about Mohammed Atta and his band of box cutters.
Is the FBI incompetent or impotent.
Or prisoners of politically correct. Don't ask, don't offend.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
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This facility in Orlando: I've heard from a bunch of witnesses and folks there (interviewed on TV) that there was only one way in and out. (Uh, fire code anyone?)
Knowing that, the terrorist could've easily chosen an incendiary device as his weapon of choice and caused as much or more harm. (See: Seattle, 2013)
But the problem is ... guns?
This facility in Orlando: I've heard from a bunch of witnesses and folks there (interviewed on TV) that there was only one way in and out. (Uh, fire code anyone?)
Knowing that, the terrorist could've easily chosen an incendiary device as his weapon of choice and caused as much or more harm. (See: Seattle, 2013)
But the problem is ... guns?
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Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
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What were they supposed to do exactly? Being on the radar doesnt mean they can just charge him with something...pesky Bill of Rights and all.
Why was he allowed to purchase a gun when he was on the FBIs radar? I will give you a clue it isnt because of the FBIs incompetence...I am sure you have a cool talking point for that though.
What were they supposed to do exactly? Being on the radar doesnt mean they can just charge him with something...pesky Bill of Rights and all.
Why was he allowed to purchase a gun when he was on the FBIs radar? I will give you a clue it isnt because of the FBIs incompetence...I am sure you have a cool talking point for that though.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
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You are right guns arent the problem in mass shootings.
Riddle me this, if a dog attacks someone...what happens to the dog?
You are right guns arent the problem in mass shootings.
Riddle me this, if a dog attacks someone...what happens to the dog?
Well, it would appear that guns are the more reliable method of attack, wouldn't it?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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Not to mention that he may have been tagged because of Dear Old Dad.
The fact that he passed two different FBI investigations suggests that he was crazier than he was anything else, and there was nothing to suggest he was going to go all family values on the gays.
If believing wildly hateful, ignorant, and crazy things about LGBTers was actionable, half the South would be in a holding cell.
Not to mention that he may have been tagged because of Dear Old Dad.
The fact that he passed two different FBI investigations suggests that he was crazier than he was anything else, and there was nothing to suggest he was going to go all family values on the gays.
If believing wildly hateful, ignorant, and crazy things about LGBTers was actionable, half the South would be in a holding cell.
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Guns is one problem.
But where do you start with this one? Religious extremism, hatred of gays, easily accessible assault weapons and high capacity magazines? All are components of the problem, but only one is off limits thanks to the NRA.
Guns is one problem.
But where do you start with this one? Religious extremism, hatred of gays, easily accessible assault weapons and high capacity magazines? All are components of the problem, but only one is off limits thanks to the NRA.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
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So your lesson from that is to repeat our past mistakes because they'll never come back to bite us in the arse for a third time after the first and second?
So your lesson from that is to repeat our past mistakes because they'll never come back to bite us in the arse for a third time after the first and second?
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