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[BassAle]

You want to take those guns away, correct? Whats makes them gullible?

The fact that many are living paycheck to paycheck yet feel the need to spend thousands of dollars on guns and ammo because they are stupid enough to believe what the NRA and their idiot friends on Facebook tell them... When NO politician has even hinted at confiscating said guns.

I own one rifle. I know plenty of people that hunt. I also know people that really scare me the way they obsess over their guns and talk about how they need them to defend their constitutional rights from a tyrannical government. People that seem on the verge of going full Timothy McVeigh. And Donald trump is proving 1) there is a scary number of insane people on the right and 2) a lot of those people would feel right at home at a white supremacist rally. These nut jobs are scary and they are building an army.

 

[Jimjamesak]

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The cost of a fence vs. the cost of a gun, the gun wins. A simple fence around a ten-acre plot of land will run $10K or more because you'll have to electrify it, similar to what the MN DNR told my brother about the fence he was looking into building around his hobby farm where he's going to keep sheep. There is a difference in that he's dealing with wolves, but the same principles are in place only the dogs are a different size in the Sicatoka's situation.

And there in lies part of the problem. A fence would likely offer more protection than a gun but most people will take the cheaper option.

 

[Jimjamesak]

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The fact that many are living paycheck to paycheck yet feel the need to spend thousands of dollars on guns and ammo because they are stupid enough to believe what the NRA and their idiot friends on Facebook tell them... When NO politician has even hinted at confiscating said guns.

I own one rifle. I know plenty of people that hunt. I also know people that really scare me the way they obsess over their guns and talk about how they need them to defend their constitutional rights from a tyrannical government. People that seem on the verge of going full Timothy McVeigh. And Donald trump is proving 1) there is a scary number of insane people on the right and 2) a lot of those people would feel right at home at a white supremacist rally. These nut jobs are scary and they are building an army.

Ugh, I have a few of those at my work. One who believes his most cherished possession is his AK-47 and laments a prior DWI that prevents him from obtaining a permit to make it a full-auto.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2015/12/10/why-banning-gun-sales-to-terror-suspects-is-controversial/

So, let me start with, I don't think this is a bad idea on its face. However, I do think we need to figure out a way to allow people to appeal if they believe they have been included incorrectly. And the appeals process shouldn't take months or years to complete. It should take "weeks" at most.

I think this is a legitimate gripe about the idea of outright banning those the watch lists. There needs to be recourse since clerical errors do happen.

Anyone? I'm curious what the left-leaning crowd thinks about this.

 

[The Rube]

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Anyone? I'm curious what the left-leaning crowd thinks about this.

While I like the idea in principle, if you are only suspected, but never even charged.....(the list is "suspected") I kind of have a problem with it. I have even more of a problem with the lists.

 

[Foxton]

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Anyone? I'm curious what the left-leaning crowd thinks about this.

It's a non issue being bloated out of proportion for the small amount of citizens it actually affects. There is also a way to appeal if they have been included incorrectly that doesn't take months/years to complete.

http://www.dhs.gov/dhs-trip
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...rubio-says-700000-americans-could-be-affecte/
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/no-fly-list-inverted-politics/419172/

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Thanks.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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You keep spending yours on the subscription to "Mother Jones".

OK, that's pretty unfair to unofan. He's made it rather clear that he hates "bumper sticker" type sites and blogs, and Mother Jones is definitely a left-wing slogan site.

A gun is not scary. 300,000,000 guns in the hands of people so gullible that they need to stock up before the gubmit comes and takes them away is what's scary.

People who can barely chew their own food are allowed to buy as many guns as they want because why the hell not. That's what bothers me.

While I agree it's concerning, I think you've got some hyperbole going on there.

So what do people think about this? Any compelling reason not to let the kid make a fool of himself?

I see nothing more than a family of inbreds, in desperate need of an adult to show them reason.

The school yearbook is not the place to glorify and politicize your love for assault rifles. I'd bet these same "parents" would be 100% in favor of the school barring yearbook photos of a black kid brandishing a handgun.

Any time you hear a parent complaining on social media about how their little darling was wronged, go with the other side.

Accurate a majority of the time

Anyone? I'm curious what the left-leaning crowd thinks about this.

It's a non issue being bloated out of proportion for the small amount of citizens it actually affects. There is also a way to appeal if they have been included incorrectly that doesn't take months/years to complete.

http://www.dhs.gov/dhs-trip
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...rubio-says-700000-americans-could-be-affecte/
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/no-fly-list-inverted-politics/419172/

I was just about to say, there's no reason why this couldn't be dealt with by a redress number, just like the "No Fly List".

 

[5mn_Major]

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Anyone? I'm curious what the left-leaning crowd thinks about this.

First I've seen of it. But I'd say make it so, number one. Most people are in favor of doing background checks. If these people are on no fly lists, then a background check has been done and they are deemed to be high risk. If people are not deserving of being on the list, then those people should be taken off the list as they are being treated unfairly. Ultimately if you are a criminal, you forfeit your rights and those include constitutional rights.

Rubio says there are 700,000 to be affected. Wikipedia 47,000 (2013). Sorry Marco, but I trust a wiki figure from 2013 more than a Rubio figure.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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First I've seen of it. But I'd say make it so, number one. Most people are in favor of doing background checks. If these people are on no fly lists, then a background check has been done and they are deemed to be high risk. If people are not deserving of being on the list, then those people should be taken off the list as they are being treated unfairly. Ultimately if you are a criminal, you forfeit your rights and those include constitutional rights.

Rubio says there are 700,000 to be affected. Wikipedia 47,000 (2013). Sorry Marco, but I trust a wiki figure from 2013 more than a Rubio figure.

Except people on watch lists aren't criminals. Nor are some on the no fly list.

I've read some anecdotal reports that there are explosives experts in the military (active duty) that are on watch lists because their expertise makes them higher risk.

Also, it's worth noting that there are watch lists and the no fly list. Different things. So that might be where the difference in totals comes from.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Except people on watch lists aren't criminals. Nor are some on the no fly list.

I've read some anecdotal reports that there are explosives experts in the military (active duty) that are on watch lists because their expertise makes them higher risk.

Also, it's worth noting that there are watch lists and the no fly list. Different things. So that might be where the difference in totals comes from.

This is more likely one I'd like to see rather than one that would successfully make it in the US. I am of the opinion that people who are dangerous enough not to fly...really shouldn't be armed. And if they could be armed, they may not deserve being on the no fly list. There are people who shouldn't have guns..the trick is trying to figure out who they should be and the risk of going too far. No fly list enforcement is not likely to happen due to the 2nd and the secretive nature of the listing criteria. And if the gun lobby can shut down basic gun control policy, it could squash this in a fortnight.

Suffice it to say, guns are in the bill of rights...American lives are not.

 

[unofan]

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While I agree it's concerning, I think you've got some hyperbole going on there.

Yeah, but you know what, being rational and using facts doesn't seem to work. So fark it.

 

[unofan]

A gun is designed to propel a projectile. What the operator does with it, where they aim, it is the question.

It's designed to propel a projectile with sufficient force to severely injure/destroy the organism/object it is aimed at. But good try acting like a gun is the same as a knife, a drill, or other objects which have non-lethal primary purposes.

 

[FreshFish]

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I've misplaced my scorecard.

Is The Washington Post a reliable, trustworthy news source, or one of those crazy right-wing propaganda rags?

Backers of laws that let pretty much all law-abiding people carry concealed guns in public places often argue that these laws will sometimes enable people to stop mass shootings. Opponents occasionally ask: If that’s so, what examples can one give of civilians armed with guns stopping such shootings? Sometimes, I hear people asking if even one such example can be found, or saying that they haven’t heard of even one such example.

A while back I posted about a few examples, but since then there have been some more, so I thought I’d note them.

there is no central database of such examples, many of which don’t hit the national media, especially if a gunman is stopped before he shoots many victims.

here is a list of some such incidents (which deliberately excludes killings stopped by people who were off-duty police officers,

[10 examples follow]

The shooters in the Garland, TX episode to which I referred earlier was shot by an off-duty police officer before they killed anyone other than the security guard, and so that episode was excluded from this list, which is an addendum to an earlier list.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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And there in lies part of the problem. A fence would likely offer more protection than a gun but most people will take the cheaper option.

These coyotes would borough under a fence in no time. They've done it into a milk cow yard of a friend of a friend. Heck, ND Game & Fish found a site where they'd dug out an area and had 14 fawn (deer) carcasses in it. They're ... wiley.*


*I had to say it.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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There ought to be room for compromise here, without the gun lobby using hack lawyers to force guns down suburbanites' throats and without them durn city slickers banning guns in Pig's Knuckle, Arkansas. This is a textbook local ordinance issue that the national government (including the national courts) should just stay the heck out of.

Put another way: Keep your caliphate to yourself.

 

[joecct]

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The National Review

http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...6fc&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

And the Glock RTF2

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Oh my god. The line on CBS this morning was 50 dead at a gay nightclub in Orlando. Not sure if that was a typo and it was supposed to be 20.

 

[joecct]

Oh my god. The line on CBS this morning was 50 dead at a gay nightclub in Orlando. Not sure if that was a typo and it was supposed to be 20.

tweets say 50 dead, 53 wounded.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Oh my god.