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Taurus PT7xx series: P709 (9mm) or P740 (.40 cal). Decent, functional, lowest price points.

But you say "plinking" and that's normally a .22 caliber round. Ruger has a couple nice options.

Know what the < bleep > you're doing before you do anything. And secure it when it's not with you.

I have a .22, but it's more useful for squirrels and coyote trapping than for actual self defense. And some long guns, but they're not useful in a lot of situations. I want to be clinging to a larger arsenal.
 
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I've long said there should be a ten question quiz about firearms you have to take and pass before you can make silly statements about guns.

Agreed.

Now let's do the same thing with evolution, climate science, and women's reproductive health.
 
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Mr. Obama created his own mess and environment with his "cling to guns and religion" comments.

In honor of this thread I went out and bought another of the make and model I already carry ... right after church last Sunday. :D

So he created the mess because what he said was right? Sure thing...
 
Mr. Obama created his own mess and environment with his "cling to guns and religion" comments.

In honor of this thread I went out and bought another of the make and model I already carry ... right after church last Sunday. :D

Well, a fool and his money are soon parted...
 
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I have a .22, but it's more useful for squirrels and coyote trapping than for actual self defense. And some long guns, but they're not useful in a lot of situations. I want to be clinging to a larger arsenal.

Guys I know have gone to .17 HMR for coyote hunting. It's double the muzzle velocity (2500 fps vs. 1200 fps) of a .22 long rifle so it's flat out to about 200 yards. (I consider "flat" as four inch or less drop.)

Handgun? Pick as much as you can comfortably handle and keep on target.
 
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What's funny is you guys are as much to blame for the problem as anyone else.

It's funny how many of the same people who recognize that Donald Trump's statements demonizing Muslims actually makes it more dangerous for us can't see their same conduct regarding gun owners does the same.

There is a mass shooting in CA. The immediate response from the left is to advocate gun control, even though none of the proposed methods would have stopped these particular shooters! Some on the left even called people who offered prayers for the victims "hypocrites" for offering sympathetic responses to those who were injured and killed!

How well does that go over if you are not already a cult member???
 
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Meanwhile, back to actual news....

ZURICH—Authorities in Geneva increased the number of police on the Swiss city’s streets on Thursday and said they had raised their “level of alertness” as they tracked suspects sought in the wake of the recent terror attacks in Paris.

The move comes as Switzerland’s Attorney General has launched a terrorism-related investigation and underscores the scope of the threat now felt across Europe after the deadly events in Paris.

The Canton of Geneva’s Department of Security and Economy said it had been notified by Swiss federal officials of “suspicious individuals” likely to be in the Geneva area
 
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and this kind of response to San Bernardino and ISIS is very encouraging....

After San Bernardino, American Muslims have to come to terms with an ever more apparent truth: that we, and our mainstream Muslim brethren, are the only ones who can lead a winning fight against the radicalism crippling our faith.

Attacks like last week’s underscore the importance of countering extremist propaganda. While sophisticated attacks by terrorist groups can be effectively prevented by law enforcement and national-security measures, the truth is there isn’t much that can be done—not even stricter gun-control laws—to completely eliminate the possibility of a radicalized lone wolf wreaking havoc. Only defeating the ideology that inspires these attacks can do that. A propaganda war must be waged on radical Islam, and American Muslims have to be on the front lines for it to be credible.

It isn’t enough to condemn radicalism—we must actively engage in counter-extremism messaging. We must build an intellectual and theological case against radicalism. Our religious leaders must educate and warn our youth about the dangers of searching for spiritual guidance on the Internet. And we have to be vigilant. When someone stops coming to mosque and disappears from a community, abruptly after marrying a Pakistani woman in Saudi Arabia whom he met online, it shouldn’t take two years and 35 Americans getting shot (including one from that very congregation) before we notice.

There is a war going on that extends beyond Syria, and American Muslims are under siege. Not by a fringe group of bigoted Americans, but by a fringe group of Muslims abroad who seek to tear our Western communities apart. They are trying to target the disaffected among us, hijack the mosque pulpit, and convince us that we’re unwelcome in our own country.

But in order to lead this fight with unified support, certain things will have to change. We can’t call out prejudice against our faith without also calling out the gender inequality and homophobia that we find in some of our communities. We can’t be champions of our own religious freedom without also championing the rights of all traditions across the globe that wish to peacefully practice, including other Muslim sects we may disagree with doctrinally. We have to change the way we think about Islamic law and vilify the medieval judicial practices that persist in the Middle East. And we must have uncomfortable but necessary conversations about where much of the funding for this cancerous supremacist ideology is coming from—Saudi Arabia.

We carry with us a responsibility to our country, our faith and our children. The majority of us are here because our parents or grandparents emigrated from oppressive and illiberal nations for the promise of a better life in America. But the way things are heading, our children may grow up with less opportunity and freedom than we did. I can think of no greater defeat and surrender to radicalism than that.
 
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Guys I know have gone to .17 HMR for coyote hunting. It's double the muzzle velocity (2500 fps vs. 1200 fps) of a .22 long rifle so it's flat out to about 200 yards. (I consider "flat" as four inch or less drop.)

Predator hunting would be fun, but I've only ever heartlessly executed those helpless and lovable little furbearers when they're already in a cruel and inhumane steel trap. So a range of 30 feet is sufficient.
 
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My statement stands.

You keep spending yours on the subscription to "Mother Jones". ;)

I get that you don't like guns. I don't know your life experiences so I don't know why. I do know mine.

I've been in a Kwik-E-Mart* when a fool puts a gun into Apu's* face. I know I was < bleep > glad when an off-duty security officer from a local facility (that I knew personally) was there to encourage** the lawless one to cease and desist through an equal showing of force. I do know I've looked into the eyes of rabid coyote in a farm yard.

You think gun and think scary or bad.
I think gun and think hammer or shovel, just another implement that can be used properly or improperly.


*Shameless "Simpson's" references to protect identities
**A .40 cal at the back of your skull is highly encouraging I guess
 
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You think gun and think scary or bad.
I think gun and think hammer or shovel, just another implement that can be used properly or improperly.

I think this is what it all comes down to. Where I grew up nobody had guns -- they would clash with the neighborhood. Where I live now everybody has guns.

There ought to be room for compromise here, without the gun lobby using hack lawyers to force guns down suburbanites' throats and without them durn city slickers banning guns in Pig's Knuckle, Arkansas. This is a textbook local ordinance issue that the national government (including the national courts) should just stay the heck out of.
 
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I think this is what it all comes down to. Where I grew up nobody had guns -- they would clash with the neighborhood. Where I live now everybody has guns.

There ought to be room for compromise here, without the gun lobby using hack lawyers to force guns down suburbanites' throats and without them durn city slickers banning guns in Pig's Knuckle, Arkansas. This is a textbook local ordinance issue that the national government (including the national courts) should just stay the heck out of.

You feelin' OK there Kep? For a second there you sounded like a Tenth Amendment state's rights-er there for a minute. And that wouldn't jive with your beliefs because then other social issues would fall into said category. See: gay marriage, abortion.
 
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http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2015/12/10/why-banning-gun-sales-to-terror-suspects-is-controversial/

So, let me start with, I don't think this is a bad idea on its face. However, I do think we need to figure out a way to allow people to appeal if they believe they have been included incorrectly. And the appeals process shouldn't take months or years to complete. It should take "weeks" at most.

I think this is a legitimate gripe about the idea of outright banning those the watch lists. There needs to be recourse since clerical errors do happen.
 
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You feelin' OK there Kep? For a second there you sounded like a Tenth Amendment state's rights-er there for a minute. And that wouldn't jive with your beliefs because then other social issues would fall into said category. See: gay marriage, abortion.

Why must those issues you cited fall into the same category?
 
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You feelin' OK there Kep? For a second there you sounded like a Tenth Amendment state's rights-er there for a minute. And that wouldn't jive with your beliefs because then other social issues would fall into said category. See: gay marriage, abortion.

I see each of those three things as very different things.

Abortion was argued on the privacy right that is implied by all other rights and is the cornerstone of the entire Bill of Rights. (Though if we had a do-over, I'd base it on the 14th Amendment equal protection clause.)

Gay Marriage was argued under the 14th and at this point it is settled law, and an object lesson that rights do change over time with the evolution of broad cultural trends and are not handed down by the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Deeply personal rights that relate to identity -- a woman's body or a person's sexual identity -- aren't up to a vote by Cleetus. What falls within that sphere does change very gradually over time, so if you must hang on to those Iron Age myths and Jewish folk tales use them to change the culture and maybe in a century you'll be able to stone gays in the public square again. (Only be careful, since adulterers and mixed-fabric wearers come along for the ride.)

Personal gun ownership is a different creature, despite the attempts by the NRA and Antonin Scalia to force the Second Amendment into a pretzel. But even if it is a right, like any right it is still subject to regulation under some circumstances. I think we as a country can craft a workable compromise just as we have for upteen other partial abridgments of rights.
 
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