dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
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GOd****it. Now everyone in the room is wondering "what's so funny?"
GOd****it. Now everyone in the room is wondering "what's so funny?"
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Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0
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Notwithstanding my error, my point stands. People really don't "need" guns, by and large. They choose to buy them, as they have a right to do, for a variety of reasons. They might be sporting or recreational. Or they might be based upon a perceived need. Did I really "need" to buy the $400 authentic hockey jersey. So much of what we do is based upon what we have been very subtly brainwashed into thinking we must do or want.
You identified a legal and justifiable "need" for your guns. But I'd be really curious as to how many "need based" situations occur in this country annually where a citizen truly "needed" a gun. I'm not talking about grabbing the Glock when the neighbor's cat knocks over the trash can. You don't need a gun then.
My guess is that it's not even measured in the thousands.
My statement was intended as the "royal" you as opposed to singling your needs out individually. My bad.
Notwithstanding my error, my point stands. People really don't "need" guns, by and large. They choose to buy them, as they have a right to do, for a variety of reasons. They might be sporting or recreational. Or they might be based upon a perceived need. Did I really "need" to buy the $400 authentic hockey jersey. So much of what we do is based upon what we have been very subtly brainwashed into thinking we must do or want.
You identified a legal and justifiable "need" for your guns. But I'd be really curious as to how many "need based" situations occur in this country annually where a citizen truly "needed" a gun. I'm not talking about grabbing the Glock when the neighbor's cat knocks over the trash can. You don't need a gun then.
My guess is that it's not even measured in the thousands.
The Sicatoka
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I was going to say some of the urban, two-legged coyotes are more dangerous than the rabid, four-legged kind.
I was going to say some of the urban, two-legged coyotes are more dangerous than the rabid, four-legged kind.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
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See, that's where you're wrong. I needed that **** jersey.
(Though mine was for the Gophers and I got it at cost to The U, maybe around $150?)
See, that's where you're wrong. I needed that **** jersey.
(Though mine was for the Gophers and I got it at cost to The U, maybe around $150?)
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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They're really scrawny too. Coyotes always look like they're on the point of death.
The problem is, if you actually see one he's desperate enough to risk human contact and/or sick enough not to care, so he's that little wiry guy in the fight -- yes, he'll lose, but not before doing serious damage.
They're really scrawny too. Coyotes always look like they're on the point of death.
The problem is, if you actually see one he's desperate enough to risk human contact and/or sick enough not to care, so he's that little wiry guy in the fight -- yes, he'll lose, but not before doing serious damage.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
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Yeah, I'm far more more concerned about the exceedingly rare mountain lion attack. That's one the lion ain't gonna lose.
Yeah, I'm far more more concerned about the exceedingly rare mountain lion attack. That's one the lion ain't gonna lose.
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My issue is that the line of reasoning I was referring to gets applied to all manner of "gun control". I see your point with respect to the insurance idea. It would do nothing to deal with these planned, intentional shootings. I could see the argument that "carrying" insurance should be required because there's always the possibility of a person "losing it" and by carrying, you've chosen to make yourself much more dangerous. That being said, there would have to be evidence that that is actually problem in need of solving---which I'm sure it's not.
My issue is that the line of reasoning I was referring to gets applied to all manner of "gun control". I see your point with respect to the insurance idea. It would do nothing to deal with these planned, intentional shootings. I could see the argument that "carrying" insurance should be required because there's always the possibility of a person "losing it" and by carrying, you've chosen to make yourself much more dangerous. That being said, there would have to be evidence that that is actually problem in need of solving---which I'm sure it's not.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
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During the daytime, they're pretty much nowhere to be seen. During twilight and night, they're much more common.
We still have enough nature around here that you're liable to see coyote in a great many places. There's a line of very high-end houses on the northern part of Apple Valley, MN, overlooking I-35E. That area is heavily wooded, and coyote sightings are common. Rosemount, the city to the east, has a lot of coyote activity along its northern end too, where people have three acres or so, and plenty of trees around. Where I live, when I go for my evening run I see all over the place at this time of year. It's dark, and I have a headlamp, and the running path next to the swamp is a congregating place for deer; a few weeks ago there were six or seven sets of eyes peering back at me. Where there are deer in such quantity, there's bound to be some coyote too.
During the daytime, they're pretty much nowhere to be seen. During twilight and night, they're much more common.
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Earlier I posted that candidly the only way to effectively get rid of this problem is to correct the notion large segments of the public have reached that they need or should own/carry a gun. You can't do that by just telling them they don't need a gun, or they can't own a gun. Witness my debate with Sicatoka. How have all the efforts gone to get rid of pornography in this country? In China?
People have to reach the conclusion on their own. Telling people they can't do it, or that you want to restrict them or monitor them or whatever has the exact opposite effect. It just makes people want them more.
So how do we "help" people reach this conclusion? First, shifting demographics will take care of some it. Fewer and fewer people hunt in this country. More people live in larger urban areas.
We should also try education.
But there is a third step that I think we can take, and which I have advocated, which is to simply try to make it more expensive for people to own guns. I don't own 10 cars because that would be d@mn expensive. I own 10 guns, however.
Impose an insurance cost. Raise taxes on guns and ammunition and apply the proceeds to education programs or restitution of victims. Increase permit charges. Apply a fee for the federal firearms form you fill out when you buy a gun. Impose civil liability on gun owners whose weapons are used in a crime. Geez, the one thing the government is good at is figuring out ways to nickel and dime us to death. Attack this problem in the same way.
I agree with you in general, but disagree with respect to one point.
Earlier I posted that candidly the only way to effectively get rid of this problem is to correct the notion large segments of the public have reached that they need or should own/carry a gun. You can't do that by just telling them they don't need a gun, or they can't own a gun. Witness my debate with Sicatoka. How have all the efforts gone to get rid of pornography in this country? In China?
People have to reach the conclusion on their own. Telling people they can't do it, or that you want to restrict them or monitor them or whatever has the exact opposite effect. It just makes people want them more.
So how do we "help" people reach this conclusion? First, shifting demographics will take care of some it. Fewer and fewer people hunt in this country. More people live in larger urban areas.
We should also try education.
But there is a third step that I think we can take, and which I have advocated, which is to simply try to make it more expensive for people to own guns. I don't own 10 cars because that would be d@mn expensive. I own 10 guns, however.
Impose an insurance cost. Raise taxes on guns and ammunition and apply the proceeds to education programs or restitution of victims. Increase permit charges. Apply a fee for the federal firearms form you fill out when you buy a gun. Impose civil liability on gun owners whose weapons are used in a crime. Geez, the one thing the government is good at is figuring out ways to nickel and dime us to death. Attack this problem in the same way.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
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Again, how are you going to deal with people who can't afford to exercise their rights because they don't make enough money to pay for insurance? A car is not a right. A gun is.
Again, how are you going to deal with people who can't afford to exercise their rights because they don't make enough money to pay for insurance? A car is not a right. A gun is.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
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A 'yote coming at you means it's rabid or lost any other options, in a word, dangerous.
A mountain lion is a 100 pound killing machine. I wouldn't want to deal with that but ...
My nightmare is momma moose defending her calf and considering you the threat.
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Tcx2PbVio or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-4p9be2sR4
A 'yote coming at you means it's rabid or lost any other options, in a word, dangerous.
A mountain lion is a 100 pound killing machine. I wouldn't want to deal with that but ...
My nightmare is momma moose defending her calf and considering you the threat.
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Tcx2PbVio or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-4p9be2sR4
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
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All true. Which is why I thank God that I live in flyover country (where that's the worst of it) and not Australia where the continent is actively trying to kill you. Every day.
All true. Which is why I thank God that I live in flyover country (where that's the worst of it) and not Australia where the continent is actively trying to kill you. Every day.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
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I think this sums up to: "How long do I think it'll take the police to arrive after I call for help."
If it's more than four minutes* (see: non-urban areas) people know they need to protect and defend themselves and favor gun ownership.
*Feel free to adjust that duration, but I think four minutes is probably a fair guess at the dividing line.
I think this sums up to: "How long do I think it'll take the police to arrive after I call for help."
If it's more than four minutes* (see: non-urban areas) people know they need to protect and defend themselves and favor gun ownership.
*Feel free to adjust that duration, but I think four minutes is probably a fair guess at the dividing line.
busterman62
I got a pocket full of kryptonite
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Ladies and Gentlemen, We have the thread winner!
Gun-bama-care.
Ladies and Gentlemen, We have the thread winner!
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We already nickel and time people on this, in the name of regulation. Last time I checked conceal and carry permit classes were running $100 or more. Just ramp it up.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
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But C&C isn't a right. It's a privilege as far as I know.
But C&C isn't a right. It's a privilege as far as I know.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
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That depends upon how each state views it. Some states have a small, nominal fee, others it's much larger. There might even be a few SW states that don't have any fees at all, simply a registration. Many states have even taken to writing the language of their respective states' laws as "shall issue" permits, in that the state shall issue the permit as though it's a right.
That depends upon how each state views it. Some states have a small, nominal fee, others it's much larger. There might even be a few SW states that don't have any fees at all, simply a registration. Many states have even taken to writing the language of their respective states' laws as "shall issue" permits, in that the state shall issue the permit as though it's a right.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
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Wait a minute ...
Are we talking gun ownership?
Are we talking concealed carry?
I know lots of folks that own long rifles and shotguns (hunters). A couple of them own a handgun to open carry when they are in the field. (A rifle isn't really useful close up if a coyote steps out at you).
I know folks that only own handguns because they target shoot for recreation. They don't carry (no CCW).
I target shoot (handgun) but also CCW because I don't believe in an unsecured weapon in a vehicle (going to/from). I want it with me and nobody needs to know about it (no open carry).
So when you say "permit classes", are you claiming every gun owner must be permitted ... i.e. put into a (Donald Trump-esque) database?
Wait a minute ...
Are we talking gun ownership?
Are we talking concealed carry?
I know lots of folks that own long rifles and shotguns (hunters). A couple of them own a handgun to open carry when they are in the field. (A rifle isn't really useful close up if a coyote steps out at you).
I know folks that only own handguns because they target shoot for recreation. They don't carry (no CCW).
I target shoot (handgun) but also CCW because I don't believe in an unsecured weapon in a vehicle (going to/from). I want it with me and nobody needs to know about it (no open carry).
So when you say "permit classes", are you claiming every gun owner must be permitted ... i.e. put into a (Donald Trump-esque) database?
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
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There are "shall issue" states and "may issue" states.
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_information.html
There are "shall issue" states and "may issue" states.
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_information.html
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