Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

Okay. You know what, good point here.

So, let's treat them equal. Every gun owner will be required to get a license for the privilege of operating a firearm. Just like a driver's license. In fact, the State of Illinois has that already (Firearms Owner ID card (FOID Card)), so let's roll it to every state.

Next, each firearm has a unique serial number, just like a VIN, so each weapon will need to be registered with the state you reside in (AND currently have a FOID card in). Each guns registration is good for one year, and must be displayed on the firearm. (Just like a license plate renewal sticker).

DUI rules apply to firearm use. You will be arrested for using your firearm with a BAC >0.08.

Also, you can have your FOID card revoked for medical reasons, just like a driver's license. (This one will help get Drew on board my proposal.)

Still with me Flaggy? This is a great idea! Glad you helped co-author this.

So it's no longer a right but a privilege? Fuggetaboutit. National gun registries happen in every single oppressive regime. They get taken out. Then when they come after you, there's no one left to defend you.

Take your registry to Venezuela or North Korea where it belongs.

 

[Drew S.]

Round and round we go.

To Drew's (asinine) point...

Mass murderers elect to kill the masses.

Heart attacks, Cancer and car accidents are chance.

So yes, there is quite a difference and no, making a big deal out of 50 people gunned down (and hundreds more injured) in public with a weapon that no private citizen should have a right to own is not even a slight overreaction.

As we've seen in Europe, there is only so much we can do. Life has to go on. The three things I mentioned carry significantly greater risk for the average person than terrorism.

To humor you, what exactly do you propose we do to prevent something like this from happening again?

 

[Scarlet]

Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

lots of hotel rooms have balconies

Not in Vegas.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

I think we need to start worrying that these are getting bigger and bigger. This was a total massacre.

if this doesn't get rid of these, nothing will.

 

[Drew S.]

Okay. You know what, good point here.

So, let's treat them equal. Every gun owner will be required to get a license for the privilege of operating a firearm. Just like a driver's license. In fact, the State of Illinois has that already (Firearms Owner ID card (FOID Card)), so let's roll it to every state.

Next, each firearm has a unique serial number, just like a VIN, so each weapon will need to be registered with the state you reside in (AND currently have a FOID card in). Each guns registration is good for one year, and must be displayed on the firearm. (Just like a license plate renewal sticker).

DUI rules apply to firearm use. You will be arrested for using your firearm with a BAC >0.08.

Also, you can have your FOID card revoked for medical reasons, just like a driver's license. (This one will help get Drew on board my proposal.)

Still with me Flaggy? This is a great idea! Glad you helped co-author this.

Those are the laws in Mass, still a lot of people getting shot. If states want to do it, have at it. I don't think that legislation is appropriate at the federal level though. And what do you do when people run afoul of those laws? Do you want a lot more people in jail?

 

[aparch]

So it's no longer a right but a privilege? Fuggetaboutit. National gun registries happen in every single oppressive regime. They get taken out. Then when they come after you, there's no one left to defend you.

Take your registry to Venezuela or North Korea where it belongs.

Now hold up. I never said that you couldn't own one without going through the loops, just *using* one. Lots of people own classic cars that they never register or drive. Obviously people buy and sell classic cars that never get registered. Same could still take place with guns.

I'm not changing anything other than treating guns and cars alike.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

As we've seen in Europe, there is only so much we can do. Life has to go on. The three things I mentioned carry significantly greater risk for the average person than terrorism.

To humor you, what exactly do you propose we do to prevent something like this from happening again?

Anything beyond a hunting rifle or shotgun should be illegal for citizens to possess.

Yes, this ****ball could have killed some people with a rifle, but not 50.

 

[bronconick]

Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

I think we need to start worrying that these are getting bigger and bigger. This was a total massacre.

None of this matters. If it didn't matter when a class full of kindergarteners got their heads ventilated by a ****** with a gun, it won't matter now. You literally cannot mass murder enough people to overcome the folks who get massive boners from their guns.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

... Do you want a lot more people in jail?

execution works. no reason to waste time, money, effort or resources on jail.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

Did I hear right this morning that he had a fully automatic rifle? Or was that just misinformation, or premature speculation?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

Did I hear right this morning that he had a fully automatic rifle? Or was that just misinformation, or premature speculation?

That's what I heard and based on how many round he got off it had to be.

 

[Drew S.]

Did I hear right this morning that he had a fully automatic rifle? Or was that just misinformation, or premature speculation?

I've read this to. I'd be very surprised if it was true. It takes a lot of effort and money to get one.

Edit: there are accessories you can buy that will make semi-autos close to full auto, might be something like that.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

Did I hear right this morning that he had a fully automatic rifle? Or was that just misinformation, or premature speculation?

He almost had to have, don't you think?

That many rounds, that quickly.

Of course misinformation is the norm with these things early on.

 

[aparch]

Did I hear right this morning that he had a fully automatic rifle? Or was that just misinformation, or premature speculation?

That's what they said this early AM, and I don't know too many people who could continually repeatedly pull a trigger as fast as the video clips that were being shown on NBC this AM.

 

[joecct]

Did I hear right this morning that he had a fully automatic rifle? Or was that just misinformation, or premature speculation?

I heard the sound from a video. Whatever was used was on full automatic, be it a machine gun or an automatic rifle.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

And as always... if our government wants us dead, and knows where we are, there's nothing your AR-15 is gonna do to protect you from the drone strike.

You won't even hear it coming.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

Did I hear right this morning that he had a fully automatic rifle? Or was that just misinformation, or premature speculation?

There are clips online of the shooting as it happened. It is very clearly automatic from the audio.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

And as always... if our government wants us dead, and knows where we are, there's nothing your AR-15 is gonna do to protect you from the drone strike.

You won't even hear it coming.

I will never understand why this is so difficult for certain people to grasp.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

As we've seen in Europe, there is only so much we can do. Life has to go on.

Please stop with the bad information. The US swamps Europe in mass murders in addition to general gun deaths. The US has 1/3 of the entire world's mass murders - and that includes lawless countries.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/27/health/u-s-most-mass-shootings/index.html

- In the United States, people have a greater chance of dying in mass shootings if they're at work or at school. Overseas, these incidents typically happen near military installations.

- In more than half the American cases, the shooter had more than one firearm. In global incidents, the shooter typically had only one gun.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

And as always... if our government wants us dead, and knows where we are, there's nothing your AR-15 is gonna do to protect you from the drone strike.

You won't even hear it coming.

Assuming you're not looking for it. Not all that different from computer hacks.