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Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

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Drew S. said:
Are mass shootings the problem you and others want to make them out to be? They get a lot of press, but things like car crashes, cancer, and heart attacks kill thousand times more people.
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I'm not making it out to be a big problem -- individually, you're very unlikely to be killed during a mass shooting. The odds are very very slim that you'll be directly affected by a mass shooting. I'm just disappointed that this seems to be part of American culture now; it's not going away.

You're also very unlikely to be killed by a terrorist, but we also spend billions of dollars trying to prevent 'terrorist attacks' (excluding mass shootings -- we don't seem to do much to prevent those).
 
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Drew S. said:
Are mass shootings the problem you and others want to make them out to be? They get a lot of press, but things like car crashes, cancer, and heart attacks kill thousand times more people.
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This is what I've been wondering for years now. I think the media and the social sites amplify these and make them a lot more than they are. Certainly this is terrible, but the media just makes people think that the whole world is going down the crapper, when that may not be the case. To put it another way, the media will certainly report on a murder, but as US population increases, even if the murder rate goes down, there still could be daily murders, so the news reporting wouldn't change.

From what I can recall, violent crime was significantly down in the last few years, down to even 1980s levels.
 
BassAle said:
I'm not making it out to be a big problem -- individually, you're very unlikely to be killed during a mass shooting. The odds are very very slim that you'll be directly affected by a mass shooting. I'm just disappointed that this seems to be part of American culture now; it's not going away.

You're also very unlikely to be killed by a terrorist, but we also spend billions of dollars trying to prevent 'terrorist attacks' (excluding mass shootings -- we don't seem to do much to prevent those).
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The paranoia needs to end. It's embarrassing how awful we have handled things post 9/11. We have gone trillions of dollars in debt too.
 
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USAFA Bulldog said:
This is what I've been wondering for years now. I think the media and the social sites amplify these and make them a lot more than they are. Certainly this is terrible, but the media just makes people think that the whole world is going down the crapper, when that may not be the case. To put it another way, the media will certainly report on a murder, but as US population increases, even if the murder rate goes down, there still could be daily murders, so the news reporting wouldn't change.

From what I can recall, violent crime was significantly down in the last few years, down to even 1980s levels.
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While this is all true this shooting is the largest of it's kind in US History. And the ones that are right behind it were from the last few years (Florida, Sand Hook, etc.). So, something has changed.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Guns restrictions are working very well for Europe.

22 European countries have less than 20% of the murder rate in the US (<.98 vs. 4.88 murders per 100,000).



They do in Europe.
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Then why are there a bunch of lorry killings and other terrorist attacks? Or do those not count because they aren't with the evil gun? Or because your media didn't actually report it?
 
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Here ya go. Report this or not without a double check??

@AP: BREAKING: Without providing evidence, Islamic State claims Las Vegas attack, says shooter converted to Islam months ago.
 
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joecct said:
Here ya go. Report this or not without a double check??

@AP: BREAKING: Without providing evidence, Islamic State claims Las Vegas attack, says shooter converted to Islam months ago.
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Of course they're going to take credit. It increases their profile.
 
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BassAle said:
I'm not making it out to be a big problem -- individually, you're very unlikely to be killed during a mass shooting. The odds are very very slim that you'll be directly affected by a mass shooting. I'm just disappointed that this seems to be part of American culture now; it's not going away.

You're also very unlikely to be killed by a terrorist, but we also spend billions of dollars trying to prevent 'terrorist attacks' (excluding mass shootings -- we don't seem to do much to prevent those).
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Yes. I really don't what would be best course of action, but it seems we (the US) are doing entirely the wrong things. Our foreign policy seem to create more terrorists (killing innocent foreign citizens, etc), the rich people/corporations keeping middle and lower classes down certainly isn't good, having education and medical stuff be really expensive isn't good.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
While this is all true this shooting is the largest of it's kind in US History. And the ones that are right behind it were from the last few years (Florida, Sand Hook, etc.). So, something has changed.
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global warming??
 
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USAFA Bulldog said:
This is what I've been wondering for years now. I think the media and the social sites amplify these and make them a lot more than they are. Certainly this is terrible, but the media just makes people think that the whole world is going down the crapper, when that may not be the case. To put it another way, the media will certainly report on a murder, but as US population increases, even if the murder rate goes down, there still could be daily murders, so the news reporting wouldn't change.

From what I can recall, violent crime was significantly down in the last few years, down to even 1980s levels.
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Oh, they certainly do, unfortunately. And with the advent of the 24-hour news sites, they just hammer and hammer the narrative, especially when it fits a cause.

And with the increase in crimes, it may be due to either the aforementioned "distractions", they don't want people to be bothered by it, or they want people desensitized. Violent crime is on the upswing in Chicago, Baltimore, and a number of other inner cities, but down in other places. It's down in DC, and really started happening when they lifted the weapon ban. Those who want to do these unfortunate attacks want the biggest bang for the smallest buck. That's why they don't happen in "defended" areas, nor without some form of motivation.
 
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Drew S. said:
The paranoia needs to end. It's embarrassing how awful we have handled things post 9/11. We have gone trillions of dollars in debt too.
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Get people feeling helpless, and they'll give up everything for a temporary sense of security.
 
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Round and round we go.

To Drew's (asinine) point...

Mass murderers elect to kill the masses.

Heart attacks, Cancer and car accidents are chance.

So yes, there is quite a difference and no, making a big deal out of 50 people gunned down (and hundreds more injured) in public with a weapon that no private citizen should have a right to own is not even a slight overreaction.
 
FlagDUDE08 said:
Drunk driver kills someone, we blame the driver, not the car. So why are we going after the implement instead of the person here?
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Okay. You know what, good point here.

So, let's treat them equal. Every gun owner will be required to get a license for the privilege of operating a firearm. Just like a driver's license. In fact, the State of Illinois has that already (Firearms Owner ID card (FOID Card)), so let's roll it to every state.

Next, each firearm has a unique serial number, just like a VIN, so each weapon will need to be registered with the state you reside in (AND currently have a FOID card in). Each guns registration is good for one year, and must be displayed on the firearm. (Just like a license plate renewal sticker).

DUI rules apply to firearm use. You will be arrested for using your firearm with a BAC >0.08.

Also, you can have your FOID card revoked for medical reasons, just like a driver's license. (This one will help get Drew on board my proposal.)

Still with me Flaggy? This is a great idea! Glad you helped co-author this.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Round and round we go.

To Drew's (asinine) point...

Mass murderers elect to kill the masses.

Heart attacks, Cancer and car accidents are chance.

So yes, there is quite a difference and no, making a big deal out of 50 people gunned down (and hundreds more injured) in public with a weapon that no private citizen should have a right to own is not even a slight overreaction.
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I think we need to start worrying that these are getting bigger and bigger. This was a total massacre.
 
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