Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

[alfablue]

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That is one big broad brush. Holy schnikeys.

Here's the core question who feels the need to carry. Why?

do you think society is so crazy and scary that you NEED to have some deadly weapon on your hip at all costs?

Really?

Here's an example of an answer I got, when congress wanted to let visitors into national parks with guns- "what if someone comes up to my tent a night to do something bad?"

Not- I need protection from bears, or other wild animals. But protection from other people. In spite of the actuality that there's very little crime in national parks. They are afraid of something that isn't true.

And do you really think people stocked up during Obama because they were afraid of losing the ability to get guns an ammo? Or where they paranoid of the upcoming end of the world because they were afraid of what Obama would do to them? Given so many "preppers" I've seen, I'd suggest that the latter was a lot more than people think.

And do you also think that you are not able to de-escalate any situation where you don't even have to get into a fight?

It's almost as if people think they are constantly in a situation similar to where cops make the excuse that they feared for their life.

The more I go on, the more I think people who openly carry are just scaredy cats. And all I do is look down on them, as they are so scared in life.

 

[FreshFish]

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I often wonder what the Founding Fathers would say about this stuff. They were for the most part very pragmatic and realistic.

I believe that they would have included gun safety education as part of the elementary school curriculum, and every child would learn how to load, shoot, and store a gun safely before they entered secondary school.

Notice that it is the 2nd amendment; that places it as a very high priority. An armed, educated, and moral citizenry is the best protection against tyranny and the best guarantor of personal freedom and societal welfare.

 

[FreshFish]

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Here's the core question who feels the need to carry. Why?

do you think society is so crazy and scary that you NEED to have some deadly weapon on your hip at all costs?

Really?

Respectfully, doesn't that depend greatly upon where you live? While you might live in a safe neighborhood, not everyone does.

and for many people, it is not nearly so much the "right to carry: as it is the right to protect your home and family. There are plenty of stories about home invasions even in suburban neighborhoods. Even if your home is broken into and they leave without hurting you, that in itself is a very disturbing experience, believe me.

 

[alfablue]

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What do you propose we do? From everything I have read the guns were purchased legally by the shooter and the he wasn't prohibited from owning guns even though he was arrested multiple times.

One thing that I think this case will highlight is that quite a few crimes people are arrested for aren't prosecuted to the full extent of the law. There would be significantly more people in jail if there were.

I agree with you on the guy from Best Buy. I've never been a fan of open carry and think it just creates problems for decent gun owners.

First of all, stop condoning the implication of using violence to solve problems.

R's made a LOT of excuses when some of their party running for office basically put the opposition in a scope of a gun to target them. And everyone brushed that off as something else. Come on, are you so dense that someone didn't think they should go out and shoot people? Remember, that's EXACTLY what happened after it was done- Gabby Gifford was shot.

Recently, we had don suggesting that people use their 2nd Amendment rights to get their way. Seriously? Well, you got that yesterday. Just that it happened from the liberal side should demonstrate that the message of using violence is being heard by more than just your side.

Historically- violence has always been a way to scare people into what you want- lynchings, bombing of churches, bombing of abortion sites, shootings in churches, etc. So far, that's only really lead to the suggestion that more people be armed, as opposed to sitting down and fixing the core problem.

And I'm here most remember the armed take over of a national refuge out west. And it accomplished what? Other than pointing out that many of these ranchers are mooching off of land that we all own (which brings up an ironic welfare tangent).

Violence solves nothing. It just costs a lot of money to clean up after. So stop accepting it when you side even remotely implies that it's a viable option.

 

[BassAle]

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I think almost all of us could agree on a few things:
-- mentally ill and mentally unstable people should not be allowed to use guns
-- violent criminals should not be allowed to use guns
-- terrorists should not be allowed to use guns.

The thing is we DON'T all agree on these few things. Plenty of Republicans fight any attempt to make it more difficult for mentally ill/mentally unstable people to obtain firearms.

 

[The Rube]

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You're making his case then, Brent.

On the contrary. I don't carry. I haven't touched a gun in years.

Why? No need. If I had a townhome or home instead of an apartment, I might consider purchasing a gun. If I had a family, same thing. That little rant of hers was quite over the top, and very judgmental.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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You're not taking my second amendment remedy away. I don't care how mentally ill I am.

 

[BassAle]

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Why? No need. If I had a townhome or home instead of an apartment, I might consider purchasing a gun. If I had a family, same thing.

Statistically, if you had a family then purchasing a gun would make them less safe.

 

[SJHovey]

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Here's the core question who feels the need to carry. Why?

do you think society is so crazy and scary that you NEED to have some deadly weapon on your hip at all costs?

The more I go on, the more I think people who openly carry are just scaredy cats. And all I do is look down on them, as they are so scared in life.

Although I know countless numbers of people who have conceal/carry permits, I know only one person who actually carries a handgun at all times. This person is not a man, so as far as I know she is not compensating for the size of her sexual organs. She is 29 years old. She is a college graduate with a post-graduate degree. She makes well over $100,000/year in her profession and she was an ardent and vocal Hillary supporter.

Personally, you could have knocked me off my chair when I saw her handgun. I asked why, and her response was basically, "it makes me feel safer."

I always think it's a mistake to assume that the way you view the world, and threats in it, is exactly how everyone else views it. I don't know what past experiences in her life have caused her to make this decision, but she's a smart young woman and I doubt very much it was just because she wanted to walk around showing how tough she is.

We all have to make our own decisions in life, but I support the right of people like my friend to make those decisions. I support the right of people, if they choose, to carry a handgun assuming they've obtained the permit now required.

Personally, I've never wanted to. Why, even though I'm a pretty avid supporter of the right to carry? A variety of reasons. I don't really want one more object to carry around with me, and possibly lose. I think showing that you have a handgun potentially escalates a situation that may not have escalated on its own, because the other guy is now more frightened. And frankly, there might come a time when I'm just too tempted to use it, and I really have no desire to shoot someone.

But that's just me. I think posters here need to stop projecting their fears, thoughts and world views onto everyone else.

 

[SJHovey]

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The thing is we DON'T all agree on these few things. Plenty of Republicans fight any attempt to make it more difficult for mentally ill/mentally unstable people to obtain firearms.

You do realize that the law right now is that if you've been confined in a mental institution, or if you've been adjudicated as a mental defective or incompetent, it is illegal to possess a firearm? That position is actually supported by the NRA.

 

[BassAle]

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You do realize that the law right now is that if you've been confined in a mental institution, or if you've been adjudicated as a mental defective or incompetent, it is illegal to possess a firearm? That position is actually supported by the NRA.

and DrewS had a fit because "Obama wanted to take guns away from poor people" but really we were talking about people that had been deemed incapable of managing their affairs by the social security administration

besides, mental health services have been gutted, most mentally ill people never get confined to a mental institution or are adjudicated as mentally defective

I'm not comfortable with many of the people that own firearms. I wish there were a mandatory licensing process that included safety training, liability insurance, a gun registry, a criminal background check, and a psychiatric evaluation. All paid for by a tax on gun and ammo sales. I'd be completely fine with repealing/replacing the second amendment. Too bad we've allowed our society to become a bunch of gun obsessed nut jobs that are 1) too scared to get the mail out of their mailbox without a gun, and 2) obsessed with building their own personal stockpile of weapons. The toothpaste is out of the tube. I'm guessing I may have to flee the country at some point, because the rednecks are so plentiful, armed, and insane.

True story -- my friend and his husband bought a gun for home protection (despite the fact that we live in a very low crime area - I often leave one or more of my doors unlocked while I'm at work, no idea why he thought they needed it). They took a gun safety class from a licensed instructor. This instructor bragged that he was never more than 10 feet from a loaded gun in his house, his wife carried a loaded pistol in her purse (safety off of course), and he wouldn't even go to the end of his driveway to get his mail without a gun (safety off, because it might take too long to turn the safety off). I don't even want this guy owning a gun, but apparently he has dozens AND he's teaching other people about guns.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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You do realize that the law right now is that if you've been confined in a mental institution, or if you've been adjudicated as a mental defective or incompetent, it is illegal to possess a firearm? That position is actually supported by the NRA.

It actually isn't. They lobbied to remove restrictions like that just recently. It passed the CRA and was removed from the books a month or two ago.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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This instructor bragged that he was never more than 10 feet from a loaded gun in his house, his wife carried a loaded pistol in her purse (safety off of course), and he wouldn't even go to the end of his driveway to get his mail without a gun (safety off, because it might take too long to turn the safety off). I don't even want this guy owning a gun, but apparently he has dozens AND he's teaching other people about guns.

That's terrifying.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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It actually isn't. They lobbied to remove restrictions like that just recently. It passed the CRA and was removed from the books a month or two ago.

Correct.

 

[GrinCDXX]

and DrewS had a fit because "Obama wanted to take guns away from poor people" but really we were talking about people that had been deemed incapable of managing their affairs by the social security administration

besides, mental health services have been gutted, most mentally ill people never get confined to a mental institution or are adjudicated as mentally defective

I'm not comfortable with many of the people that own firearms. I wish there were a mandatory licensing process that included safety training, liability insurance, a gun registry, a criminal background check, and a psychiatric evaluation. All paid for by a tax on gun and ammo sales. I'd be completely fine with repealing/replacing the second amendment. Too bad we've allowed our society to become a bunch of gun obsessed nut jobs that are 1) too scared to get the mail out of their mailbox without a gun, and 2) obsessed with building their own personal stockpile of weapons. The toothpaste is out of the tube. I'm guessing I may have to flee the country at some point, because the rednecks are so plentiful, armed, and insane.

True story -- my friend and his husband bought a gun for home protection (despite the fact that we live in a very low crime area - I often leave one or more of my doors unlocked while I'm at work, no idea why he thought they needed it). They took a gun safety class from a licensed instructor. This instructor bragged that he was never more than 10 feet from a loaded gun in his house, his wife carried a loaded pistol in her purse (safety off of course), and he wouldn't even go to the end of his driveway to get his mail without a gun (safety off, because it might take too long to turn the safety off). I don't even want this guy owning a gun, but apparently he has dozens AND he's teaching other people about guns.

Bullying is a sign of strength and carrying a gun everywhere you go is a sign of courage, amirite?

 

[alfablue]

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But that's just me. I think posters here need to stop projecting their fears, thoughts and world views onto everyone else.

Something projected the fear on to your friend somehow.

Fear enough that she felt the need to always carry a deadly weapon around.

Was it the main stream media, entertainment, social media, or a personal event that put that kind of fear into people?

Really- is it actually rational to feel the need to have a gun at all times? Sort of like the discussion that happened at the RNC- where don said that crime is up, and Newt backed him even when challenged with data that said otherwise. Basing decisions on feeling vs. data makes it hard.

Regardless- it's still a symptom that people think that violence is a proper way of solving problems. Remember when some woman shot at someone that was supposedly shoplifting something? When did shoplifting become a capitol crime? That's a very irrational way of solving a problem.

 

[joecct]

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Violence is always a way and always will be a method of solving a problem.

As long as there is one violent person/entity out there you need at least one violent person/entity to oppose them.

The Halkans were willing to die as a race. I'm not.

 

[geezer]

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It actually isn't. They lobbied to remove restrictions like that just recently. It passed the CRA and was removed from the books a month or two ago.

That's inaccurate (it was widely misreported). The recent proposal was for anyone receiving Social Security benefits for a mental illness diagnosis to be added to the criminal database, so to be denied purchase on background checks. It did NOT pass. Nothing changed.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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That's inaccurate (it was widely misreported). The recent proposal was for anyone receiving Social Security benefits for a mental illness diagnosis to be added to the criminal database, so to be denied purchase on background checks. It did NOT pass. Nothing changed.

Incorrect. It was for anyone who was both receiving social security benefits for a mental illness AND whose mental illness was severe enough to warrant someone else to handle their affairs be denied purchase. It did pass. It was removed under the CRA.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-guns-some-deemed-mentally-impaired/97299756/

 

[Handyman]

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Violence is always a way and always will be a method of solving a problem.

As long as there is one violent person/entity out there you need at least one violent person/entity to oppose them.

The Halkans were willing to die as a race. I'm not.

How very Christian of you...