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Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

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Kepler said:
They don't? That's really weird -- they ought to, particularly as they would be easier to index and status.
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I can't find them online for either the Grand Forks Herald or the Fargo Forum (both Forum Communications Companies).

Kepler said:
Though maybe the whole idea is to obscure them so people can't properly respond.
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< ding > Tell 'im what he's won, Johnny.

Now, back to that prior question:
I was reading the legal notices in the paper today*. A woman is petitioning the court to sever parental rights of the birthfather of her child ... a child expected to be born July 16, 2016 (no typo). Now I'm confused. Could she have brought such legal action say seven or eight months ago when it was "... the cluster of cells ..." Kepler posits?
 
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It is telling, though, that the discussion of reproductive rights transitions so neatly into arguments about the morality of sexuality. Pro-life is often just a cover for blue nose hatred of sexuality -- particularly female sexuality not under the control of a man (father, husband, pastor). The argument about life quickly drops away in a deluge of frustration and terror that women have equal sexual agency.

That ship has sailed. Get used to disappointment.

Sic semper tyrannis.
 
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Biologically you can't separate sex from reproduction.

I know someone who firmly believes abortion is the ultimate male control over female reproductive rights. They make a pretty decent argument, namely (and they are far more eloquent making it) --> Abortion only really became a great issue when the sexual revolution happened and males convinced females it's fine to < bleep > whatever strikes your fancy that minute. The minute females were convinced that would be empowering, the males didn't want the consequences and the females potentially were left with the toughest situation. Males said here is your option, see-ya.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Biologically you can't separate sex from reproduction.
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I wish you well when someday you experience a blow job.

The argument re: sexual freedom is slavery is patently absurd. It's predicated on the ancient notion of women using sex to trap men into marrying and supporting them. By giving their milk for free the sluts have debased the currency of women's sexual blackmail and thus brought all the sisters low.

I am honestly at a loss to explain how insanely sexist that is because it is elemental. I don't mean that as a jab -- it's an indicator that we part so early in our premises that there can be no common ground and no mutual understanding. I honestly can't imagine what it's like inside your head without resorting to unfair tropes, and suspect the converse is true.
 
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Les: no matter the prevention measures, there is always a possibility of a baby. That's on the people to know better. It's ALWAYS a possibility. Believe me, I know (and you do too). You want NO BABY PERIOD? Well, there is one option, otherwise, there is always that chance. Always.
 
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That's not an argument that's going to resonate with people as a reason for overturning Roe vs. Wade.
 
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We've gone from people shooting guns to men who would like to be shooting blanks yet aren't.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Well, duh... http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/09/european-police-admit-banning-has-not-worked/
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What is it about conservatives in general and gun advocates in particular that are so bad with facts. A) no place do European police 'admit gun control has not worked' B) there are no across the board facts to back up that assertion.

In fact, 1) The US has a much higher gun rate of ownership than any country in the world...over 200 of countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country 2) There is a much, much higher rate of gun violence (not suicide) in the US than in any other developed country...and by a long shot http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/

And in case you weren't sure:

Americans are seven times more likely to die from violence and six times more likely to be accidentally killed with a gun.

Even though it has half the population of the other 22 nations combined, the United States accounted for 82 percent of all gun deaths. The United States also accounted for 90 percent of all women killed by guns. Ninety-one percent of children under 14 who died by gun violence were in the United States (and call me crazy, but I don't buy the death rate among those under 14 was due to suicide).
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Biologically you can't separate sex from reproduction.

I know someone who firmly believes abortion is the ultimate male control over female reproductive rights. They make a pretty decent argument, namely (and they are far more eloquent making it) --> Abortion only really became a great issue when the sexual revolution happened and males convinced females it's fine to < bleep > whatever strikes your fancy that minute. The minute females were convinced that would be empowering, the males didn't want the consequences and the females potentially were left with the toughest situation. Males said here is your option, see-ya.
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Wow. As a woman, I can't even begin to tell you how offensive that is. It assumes that women didn't ever want to have sex until the males convinced them it was OK. Until men decided to tell women it was OK to have sexuality without being labeled as a slut women didn't want any. Are you kidding? That is the ultimate in male arrogance. Our culture is way f up.

Brenthoven said:
Les: no matter the prevention measures, there is always a possibility of a baby. That's on the people to know better. It's ALWAYS a possibility. Believe me, I know (and you do too). You want NO BABY PERIOD? Well, there is one option, otherwise, there is always that chance. Always.
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No kidding. There really are people who do not know birth control could fail. We have a brilliant idea that parents, who many times are more ignorant than their kids, should be teaching sexuality in the home vs the school teaching it. When I would write a prescription for a birth control pill to control nasty periods in a young teen (not for BC) I would do the teaching with the parent in the room so they knew what I was doing and why. I always talked about how periods worked and the risks/benefits of med INCLUDING the birth control part because even if they weren't having sex I wanted them informed. If they didn't have sex for 5 yrs people would assume they knew stuff because they were on the pill. Every time, every single time, the parent would say "Really? I didn't know that" at least once. And it wasn't something little that was news to them.
 
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leswp1 said:
Wow. As a woman, I can't even begin to tell you how offensive that is. It assumes that women didn't ever want to have sex until the males convinced them it was OK. Until men decided to tell women it was OK to have sexuality without being labeled as a slut women didn't want any. Are you kidding? That is the ultimate in male arrogance. Our culture is way f up.
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If you didn't like that, here's better: The theory was presented to me by a female.
 
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leswp1 said:
... teaching sexuality ...
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There's the rub for many --> sexuality or reproduction. One is mechanical-factual, the other is everywhere from strictly personal to deeply emotional to religious.

(Again, the messenger would prefer to not have his Kevlar body armor tested.)
 
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The Sicatoka said:
If you didn't like that, here's better: The theory was presented to me by a female.
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So what? Why do you think that makes it any less sexist?

Sexism isn't a male disease. Plenty of people are trapped into belief systems that perpetuate their secondary status. Phyllis Schlafly has made a career flying around the world telling women to stay home.
 
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Kepler said:
So what? Why do you think that makes it any less sexist?

Sexism isn't a male disease. Plenty of people are trapped into belief systems that perpetuate their secondary status. Phyllis Schlafly has made a career flying around the world telling women to stay home.
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I just thought it was a most peculiar POV coming from a female.
 
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5mn_Major said:
What is it about conservatives in general and gun advocates in particular that are so bad with facts. A) no place do European police 'admit gun control has not worked' B) there are no across the board facts to back up that assertion.

In fact, 1) The US has a much higher gun rate of ownership than any country in the world...over 200 of countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country 2) There is a much, much higher rate of gun violence (not suicide) in the US than in any other developed country...and by a long shot http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/

And in case you weren't sure:

Americans are seven times more likely to die from violence and six times more likely to be accidentally killed with a gun.

Even though it has half the population of the other 22 nations combined, the United States accounted for 82 percent of all gun deaths. The United States also accounted for 90 percent of all women killed by guns. Ninety-one percent of children under 14 who died by gun violence were in the United States (and call me crazy, but I don't buy the death rate among those under 14 was due to suicide).
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You're arguing facts with a guy who posts tenuously-sourced rants from Counter Current Noise, Pajama Media, and DisinfoWars. :p
 
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The Sicatoka said:
If you didn't like that, here's better: The theory was presented to me by a female.
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That is sad. I hope said female is not raising any children and passing on this warped view of life

The Sicatoka said:
There's the rub for many --> sexuality or reproduction. One is mechanical-factual, the other is everywhere from strictly personal to deeply emotional to religious.

(Again, the messenger would prefer to not have his Kevlar body armor tested.)
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Sexuality is part of reproduction. Far too often they teach tab A goes in slot B but forget to tell kids it feels good and they will want more. The morality of it is something you can teach at home but reproduction includes sexuality. Way too lazy to find the links but kids who are taught wholistically are way less likely to use the knowledge if they are given enough of it. The ones who climb out the window and make babies are the ones whose parents are silly enough to refuse to discuss.
 
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leswp1 said:
Wow. As a woman, I can't even begin to tell you how offensive that is. It assumes that women didn't ever want to have sex until the males convinced them it was OK. Until men decided to tell women it was OK to have sexuality without being labeled as a slut women didn't want any. Are you kidding? That is the ultimate in male arrogance. Our culture is way f up.

No kidding. There really are people who do not know birth control could fail. We have a brilliant idea that parents, who many times are more ignorant than their kids, should be teaching sexuality in the home vs the school teaching it. When I would write a prescription for a birth control pill to control nasty periods in a young teen (not for BC) I would do the teaching with the parent in the room so they knew what I was doing and why. I always talked about how periods worked and the risks/benefits of med INCLUDING the birth control part because even if they weren't having sex I wanted them informed. If they didn't have sex for 5 yrs people would assume they knew stuff because they were on the pill. Every time, every single time, the parent would say "Really? I didn't know that" at least once. And it wasn't something little that was news to them.
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Women (per social pressures) didn't want to ADMIT they wanted sex as much as men, given the double standards, etc etc.

It's a noble attempt at a flawed argument, and it is sexist in its angle.

I just get friggin' angry when people use abortion as birth control. That's not how it's supposed to work. Yes, the responsibility relies on both parties. I had a buddy in HS who actually broke up with his gf, b/c she had an abortion. He didn't believe in that (and NOT because of religious reasons), he was committed to her and their baby, and she didn't want the baby. He spelled it out for her, and still no go.
 
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