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Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

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leswp1 said:
WOrked in family practice. Part of screening is do you have a gun, is it stored safely. Part of pediatrics is to ask safety questions- do you have child locks on cabinets, chemical cleaners out of reach, do you have guns? Then educate re safety- CHild locks on all the places kids could get in trouble, Remind people kids can climb so need to lock chemicals, remind people to store guns in safe way. There are states that have barred medical people from asking questions about guns either for adults or kids. Too intrusive and ? For cripes sake we ask if you are sleeping with multiple people, doing drugs, etc (yes, people answer to the affirmative!). This kind of paranoid thinking loses me. We are not allowed to reveal anything said in exam room. We can't tell the wife the hubby has AIDs. What exactly is wrong with checking with people and encouraging them to look into how to be safer or if adult being sure to contact their psych person if they aren't doing well and say they have a gun?
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I get and agree with personal gun safety. But at what point do we care about others that happen to be near those with guns. What sorts of classes can they take to be safer when they're near someone toting a gun?
 
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leswp1 said:
There are states that have barred medical people from asking questions about guns either for adults or kids. Too intrusive and ? For cripes sake we ask if you are sleeping with multiple people, doing drugs, etc (yes, people answer to the affirmative!). This kind of paranoid thinking loses me.
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Many of those same states are ones where physicians MUST show women pictures of a fetus before performing an abortion or doing all sorts of other things that most health care professionals find unnecessary and intrusive beforehand. It's pure hypocrisy on the part of right-wing politicians who oppose both abortion and virtually any attempt to further restrict any regulation on firearm ownership.
 
WeAreNDHockey said:
Many of those same states are ones where physicians MUST show women pictures of a fetus before performing an abortion or doing all sorts of other things that most health care professionals find unnecessary and intrusive beforehand. It's pure hypocrisy on the part of right-wing politicians who oppose both abortion and virtually any attempt to further restrict any regulation on firearm ownership.
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ND = Notre Dame? If so, you should understand the difference between the murder of a baby inside its mother's womb and posession of a firearm. If not, then, cozy right up next to Fr. Jenkins who apparently doesn't either.
 
joecct said:
ND = Notre Dame? If so, you should understand the difference between the murder of a baby inside its mother's womb and posession of a firearm. If not, then, cozy right up next to Fr. Jenkins who apparently doesn't either.
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Or maybe he understands the danger of absolutist beliefs on both topics?
 
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joecct said:
ND = Notre Dame? If so, you should understand the difference between the murder of a baby inside its mother's womb and posession of a firearm. If not, then, cozy right up next to Fr. Jenkins who apparently doesn't either.
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Sunsets must lose a lot in black and white.
 
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joecct said:
ND = Notre Dame? If so, you should understand the difference between the murder of a baby inside its mother's womb and posession of a firearm. If not, then, cozy right up next to Fr. Jenkins who apparently doesn't either.
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I could deal with the pro-life movement's views on what doctors who provide abortions should be required to do if they would just admit that every move they make and every law they want passed is designed to do one thing, prevent abortions. But instead they couch laws like those in Texas the SCOTUS just overturned in the hypocrisy of saying things like they need to make sure women seeking abortion are medically protected and safe. What balderdash. The fact is firearms in homes with young children often lead to innocent young children to be harmed and killed. Having your pediatrician -- someone a young parent may trust and look up to --offer friendly reminders about putting the bleach up higher than young hands can reach, and making sure stairs to the basement have gates, or the firearm that is meant to protect the family is safely stored away from little ones, saves the lives of children. Or is it not important to make sure doctors help save lives of humans who no longer reside in their mother's womb? I stand by my statement that to do otherwise is pure, utter and complete hypocrisy on the part of the right wing.

Oh and by the way I have been, for most of my life, a staunch supporter of second amendment rights and applauded the SCOTUS ruling that assured us the right to private ownership of firearms was guaranteed in the Bill of Rights. But like most thinking people I am always willing to question my own views as the world around us changes. And when it comes to firearms, I see the world around me changing.
 
joecct said:
ND = Notre Dame? If so, you should understand the difference between the murder of a baby inside its mother's womb and posession of a firearm. If not, then, cozy right up next to Fr. Jenkins who apparently doesn't either.
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Ah, the standard Republican. Caring so much about life in the womb, and not giving a fark nine months later.

Almost as if it's really about punishing women for having sex and not about the sanctity of life.

(And yes, I'm being hyperbolic towards you personally, Joe, but then you're the one who just said pro choice persons are immoral murderers, so deal with it).
 
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5mn_Major said:
I get and agree with personal gun safety. But at what point do we care about others that happen to be near those with guns. What sorts of classes can they take to be safer when they're near someone toting a gun?
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Say someone (maybe a cop) collapses one day in front of you. Could you safely take possession of their weapon? Could you clear it? I'm not even asking if you could disable the firearm.

I'm guessing you could do that for a motor vehicle. It takes no more effort to learn the same for a firearm.
 
unofan said:
Ah, the standard Republican. Caring so much about life in the womb, and not giving a fark nine months later.

Almost as if it's really about punishing women for having sex and not about the sanctity of life.

(And yes, I'm being hyperbolic towards you personally, Joe, but then you're the one who just said pro choice persons are immoral murderers, so deal with it).
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"Republicans need live babies so they can raise dead soldiers."
 
unofan said:
Ah, the standard Republican. Caring so much about life in the womb, and not giving a fark nine months later.

Almost as if it's really about punishing women for having sex and not about the sanctity of life.

(And yes, I'm being hyperbolic towards you personally, Joe, but then you're the one who just said pro choice persons are immoral murderers, so deal with it).
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Not pro choicers - they are embracing an immoral act and are misguided. The abortionist? You betcha. For if murder is immoral, it stands that the person aiding and abetting the act inherits the mark.
 
joecct said:
Not pro choicers - they are embracing an immoral act and are misguided. The abortionist? You betcha. For if murder is immoral, it stands that the person aiding and abetting the act inherits the mark.
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Again with the self righteous belief that you alone are vested with moral wisdom....
 
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ericredaxe said:
Again with the self righteous belief that you alone are vested with moral wisdom....
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You're assigning blame or credit, depending upon the reader's views, to the wrong place. Joe's stance isn't the arbiter of wisdom, as a faithful Catholic he's holding the line on the Church's stance.
 
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