D3 schools CHL rule change

[cinnamoroll]

TJHN reports D3 programs are expected to allow CHL players starting 26-27 season.

Joins D1 and ACHA programs in this. There have been threats of a class action lawsuit again D3 like the one that forced the same change in D1. Growing the player pool and the associated tuition money make the decision attractive to the coaches and colleges as well.

This was expected to happen at some point, now there is a date.

I've got a thread on the CHL-relevant recruiting changes on the D1 forum, though I'm not as familiar with the D3 recruiting. I can answer general CHL related questions if you have any.

 

[tjoneslo]

That's very interesting.

The big difference between D3 and D1 (as I understand it) is the D3 colleges can't give sport specific scholarships. There is only a generic "Academic Scholarship". There are ways around this of course, but the rules are pretty tight and school administrations can make them tighter.

So any CHL players going to D3 schools are largely going on their CHL scholarships, and not anything from the schools. Or at least the player will need to demonstrate some high level of academics to get a school scholarship.

Given the recruitment rate from the D3 schools into the professional sports is essentially zero, you will be recruiting players who want to play hockey but know this is the end of their hockey career.

 

[cinnamoroll]

That's very interesting.

The big difference between D3 and D1 (as I understand it) is the D3 colleges can't give sport specific scholarships. There is only a generic "Academic Scholarship". There are ways around this of course, but the rules are pretty tight and school administrations can make them tighter.

So any CHL players going to D3 schools are largely going on their CHL scholarships, and not anything from the schools. Or at least the player will need to demonstrate some high level of academics to get a school scholarship.

Given the recruitment rate from the D3 schools into the professional sports is essentially zero, you will be recruiting players who want to play hockey but know this is the end of their hockey career.

i’d imagine some of the likely targets will be the players who played a few games in the CHL that didn’t stick, often affiliate players on a callup. players used to get denied eligibility over a single preseason game, at least at the d1 level.

apparently ncaa eligibility center gave some CHL players a mulligan on a few of the academic requirements (i think that’ll go away shortly). not in the sense that they weren’t smart enough, but missing some credits since they never had to think about NCAA. schooling standards are different for every province. despite this leniency, there were a good amount of players (OHL especially) who just couldn’t get eligible because the classes they took didn’t count for certain credits. since the academic eligibility rules for d3 are set by the schools themselves, id expect the players could have an easier time with enrollment off the bat, and could even get other scholarships

is there a transfer portal like in d1? bc you could see some usports transfers as well. that’s the canadian equivalent of ncaa, less talent than d1 but similar age and physicality. lots of former CHLers went there and a bunch of the top talent transferred to d1. not sure how the two compare but some players could find d3 more attractive.

 

[Lord_Zubin]

there is absolutely a d3 transfer portal but usually is not about money (insert Utica/Heenan joke here) and more about playing time or just overall fit. Agreed any "CHL" d3 commits would most likely be guys who only played a few games and didnt stick. D3 schools minus the NESCAC dont quite have the academic prestige as many d1 schools so I would imagine it would be easier to transfer credits whatever they may be. It'll be interesting for the tier 3 or junior b leagues. Their main league now will be club/acha hockey. While the top acha teams are starting to recruit these junior b guys, 80% of the rest of them are often taking guys straight out of high school. Is 2 years of post-grad junior really worth it to go play club where the yearly dues are often $1000 to start? I wonder if well see a reduction in the number of Junior B teams and leagues, and an increase in the quality of HS hockey.

 

[KrbFlint]

That's very interesting.

The big difference between D3 and D1 (as I understand it) is the D3 colleges can't give sport specific scholarships. There is only a generic "Academic Scholarship". There are ways around this of course, but the rules are pretty tight and school administrations can make them tighter.

So any CHL players going to D3 schools are largely going on their CHL scholarships, and not anything from the schools. Or at least the player will need to demonstrate some high level of academics to get a school scholarship.

Given the recruitment rate from the D3 schools into the professional sports is essentially zero, you will be recruiting players who want to play hockey but know this is the end of their hockey career.

Generally, you're correct that D3 to pro is limited. I'd argue we see it more in hockey than any other sport though. Probably due to both the smaller gap (no real D2) and the number of pro hockey leagues.

 

[geneseo]

It seems to me that there are quite a few D3 players now in the ECHL and even some in the AHL. (Geneseo alone has three, each has been playing over five years now. Many guys playing overseas as well. The number seems to go up every year, and it\s been helping with recruitment.) So I wouldn't say D3 hockey is essentially a dead end professionally.

 

[HeeHee]

Given the recruitment rate from the D3 schools into the professional sports is essentially zero, you will be recruiting players who want to play hockey but know this is the end of their hockey career.

This isn't necessarily true, at least in hockey; higher-end D3 performers often find themselves in the FPHL, SPHL, or even the ECHL and AHL. D3 players in the NHL is very rare though.

 

[cinnamoroll]

This isn't necessarily true, at least in hockey; higher-end D3 performers often find themselves in the FPHL, SPHL, or even the ECHL and AHL. D3 players in the NHL is very rare though.

Interestingly it’s a very good start for coaching, which could be a draw- lots of guys played and/or coached D3 and have gone on to do plenty of great stuff. Longtime CHL head coach Travis Crickard played D3 at SUNY-Potsdam, Anthony Noreen coaches Miami D1 after playing and coaching at Wisconsin-Stevens Point D3 and then USHL level. and of course the highest climb of all right now is Ryan Warsofsky, who played and then coached for Curry. Traveled the Bednar-Carbery pipeline to the NHL and even got USA their first gold at Worlds since before WW2.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

Interestingly it’s a very good start for coaching, which could be a draw- lots of guys played and/or coached D3 and have gone on to do plenty of great stuff. Longtime CHL head coach Travis Crickard played D3 at SUNY-Potsdam, Anthony Noreen coaches Miami D1 after playing and coaching at Wisconsin-Stevens Point D3 and then USHL level. and of course the highest climb of all right now is Ryan Warsofsky, who played and then coached for Curry. Traveled the Bednar-Carbery pipeline to the NHL and even got USA their first gold at Worlds since before WW2.

Don’t forget about Spencer Carbery. Played at St. Norbert and now Washington Capitals coach.

 

[kurksai1]

TJHN reports D3 programs are expected to allow CHL players starting 26-27 season.

Joins D1 and ACHA programs in this. There have been threats of a class action lawsuit again D3 like the one that forced the same change in D1. Growing the player pool and the associated tuition money make the decision attractive to the coaches and colleges as well.

This was expected to happen at some point, now there is a date.

I've got a thread on the CHL-relevant recruiting changes on the D1 forum, though I'm not as familiar with the D3 recruiting. I can answer general CHL related questions if you have any.










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the dominoes are finally falling. after the d1 ruling, d3 was always going to be next, especially with the looming threat of class action lawsuits. no athletic director wants to burn legal fees on a battle that’s already been lost at the higher level.

from a college perspective, this is a massive win for the bottom line. adding chl-experienced players to the recruitment pool isn't just about on-ice talent; it’s about bringing in guys who can help fill those tuition spots.

quick question for you since you're familiar with the chl side: how do you think this affects the lower-tier d3 programs? do you see them getting "outpriced" or out-recruited by schools that can now bait chl overagers who might have previously looked at u sports in canada or pro-minor leagues?

it’s going to be a wild recruiting cycle for the 26-27 season.

 

[JSicedog]

the dominoes are finally falling. after the d1 ruling, d3 was always going to be next, especially with the looming threat of class action lawsuits. no athletic director wants to burn legal fees on a battle that’s already been lost at the higher level.

from a college perspective, this is a massive win for the bottom line. adding chl-experienced players to the recruitment pool isn't just about on-ice talent; it’s about bringing in guys who can help fill those tuition spots.

quick question for you since you're familiar with the chl side: how do you think this affects the lower-tier d3 programs? do you see them getting "outpriced" or out-recruited by schools that can now bait chl overagers who might have previously looked at u sports in canada or pro-minor leagues?

it’s going to be a wild recruiting cycle for the 26-27 season.

I think we will see a lot more USHL players and D1 transfers than CHL players. I don’t think many CHL players will waste their time with D3 when they can stay at home and play USports for free.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

the dominoes are finally falling. after the d1 ruling, d3 was always going to be next, especially with the looming threat of class action lawsuits. no athletic director wants to burn legal fees on a battle that’s already been lost at the higher level.

from a college perspective, this is a massive win for the bottom line. adding chl-experienced players to the recruitment pool isn't just about on-ice talent; it’s about bringing in guys who can help fill those tuition spots.

quick question for you since you're familiar with the chl side: how do you think this affects the lower-tier d3 programs? do you see them getting "outpriced" or out-recruited by schools that can now bait chl overagers who might have previously looked at u sports in canada or pro-minor leagues?

it’s going to be a wild recruiting cycle for the 26-27 season.

The schools were never going to get sued. The NCAA would get sued. And they know they would lose. So, same affect -- it was inevitable.

I don't know what you mean by help fill the tuition spots. If you have a hockey team, you are going to have 25 students give or take on the team to fill those tuition spots. Doesn't matter where those players come from. No one is having problems filling their hockey rosters, unless the school is not putting in any effort, in which case CHL players or not, that's not the solution.

The top schools always get the top players. Doesn't matter what that player pool is from. And if the "lesser" players still want to play, they will go to the non top programs. The overall talent level will increase, but the basic pecking order will remain the same.

 

[cinnamoroll]

the dominoes are finally falling. after the d1 ruling, d3 was always going to be next, especially with the looming threat of class action lawsuits. no athletic director wants to burn legal fees on a battle that’s already been lost at the higher level.

from a college perspective, this is a massive win for the bottom line. adding chl-experienced players to the recruitment pool isn't just about on-ice talent; it’s about bringing in guys who can help fill those tuition spots.

quick question for you since you're familiar with the chl side: how do you think this affects the lower-tier d3 programs? do you see them getting "outpriced" or out-recruited by schools that can now bait chl overagers who might have previously looked at u sports in canada or pro-minor leagues?

it’s going to be a wild recruiting cycle for the 26-27 season.

if there is a pre-existing recruiting differential, it will likely stay similar. perhaps the biggest differentiator could be how quickly the scouting can catch up. if a coach has some connections along the CHL pathway- ie GOHL, the Canadian junior A leagues, it would help them keep up. dont know how much pre-scouting goes on, but d1 coaches have had to get used to seeing players on other teams they had never heard of or seen, which wasnt a common occurrence.

I think we will see a lot more USHL players and D1 transfers than CHL players. I don’t think many CHL players will waste their time with D3 when they can stay at home and play USports for free.

more than anything it allows the players who had the brief stints in the CHL to get the chance to play. at least for d1 programs, being in one pre-season game was enough to declare you ineligible, which iirc was the situation the kid who filed the suit had.

one of the things Schlossman noted before the season began re: the new CHL players is they're just regular hockey players who took a slightly different path. that path used to block them from going this way and now it doesn't. it really is just an extended player pool.

if you want a better idea, club schools made the switch before this season. im not sure what the effect there has been but might be worth investigating for comparison.