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D3 Hockey is back!

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gojackets said:
Plattsburgh will always be good. Gustavus will always be good. River Falls is consistently good. You have the teams that rise up from time to time, Elmira (nowadays), Middlebury, Norwich, St Thomas, Superior, Stevens Point, Lake Forest, Concordia...etc.....
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Um, REALLY!!!???? Elmira, Middlebury, and Norwich rise up from time to time???!!!! You CLEARLY need a history lesson.

- Elmira - Has been in 11 of the 14 NCAA tournaments, winning the National Championship 3 times, runner-up 3 times, 3rd place twice
- Middlebury - Has been in 13 of the 14 NCAA tournaments, winning the National Championship 3 times, runner-up 2 times, 3rd place twice
- Norwich - Has been in 7 of the 8 NCAA tournaments since its start, winning the National Championship 1 time, runner-up 3 times, 3rd place once

Let's compare these to the teams that "will always be good" or are "consistently good" ....

- Plattsburgh - Hard to argue - 4 time national champion
- Gustavus Adolphus - Has been in 11 of the 14 NCAA tournaments, winning the National Championship 0 times, runner-up 0 times, 3rd place twice - I'd say that Elmira, Middlebury, and Norwich have ALL been consistently better than GA
- River Falls - Has been in 8 of the 14 NCAA tournaments, winning the National Championship 0 times, runner-up 0 times, 3rd place twice - I'd say that Elmira, Middlebury, and Norwich have ALL been consistently better than RF

Do a little research.....it isn't that hard. You don't even have to leave this website. :)

Also, putting quotes around a word doesn't exempt someone from anything, "a**hole" - see, even though I used quotes it is still inappropriate....
 
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spwood said:
My comment about the "young ladies" was less about the ladies part and more about the athletes being young.
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When you decide to play college athletics, you accept the reality of people being able to criticize your performance in ways you may not like. Would you say that the quarterback of Nebraska gets a pass from criticism because he is young? Good luck with that. This isn't participation trophy time anymore - if you're bad in college athletics, you get called bad. Such is life. In this case, I didn't pick the slop word just used it as many posters before me. Substitute any word you would like.
 
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Potsdam must have played very well holding the Cardinals to a 1-1 after 2. The 3rd has been total domination; I do not think the Bears have controlled the puck in the Plattsburgh D zone the whole period. The Cardinals seem able to turn it up a notch when needed. Pretty super team!
 
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HockeyEast33 said:
Um, REALLY!!!???? Elmira, Middlebury, and Norwich rise up from time to time???!!!! You CLEARLY need a history lesson.

- Elmira - Has been in 11 of the 14 NCAA tournaments, winning the National Championship 3 times, runner-up 3 times, 3rd place twice
- Middlebury - Has been in 13 of the 14 NCAA tournaments, winning the National Championship 3 times, runner-up 2 times, 3rd place twice
- Norwich - Has been in 7 of the 8 NCAA tournaments since its start, winning the National Championship 1 time, runner-up 3 times, 3rd place once

Let's compare these to the teams that "will always be good" or are "consistently good" ....

- Plattsburgh - Hard to argue - 4 time national champion
- Gustavus Adolphus - Has been in 11 of the 14 NCAA tournaments, winning the National Championship 0 times, runner-up 0 times, 3rd place twice - I'd say that Elmira, Middlebury, and Norwich have ALL been consistently better than GA
- River Falls - Has been in 8 of the 14 NCAA tournaments, winning the National Championship 0 times, runner-up 0 times, 3rd place twice - I'd say that Elmira, Middlebury, and Norwich have ALL been consistently better than RF

Do a little research.....it isn't that hard. You don't even have to leave this website. :)

Also, putting quotes around a word doesn't exempt someone from anything, "a**hole" - see, even though I used quotes it is still inappropriate....
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Yes..."facts" "research"...
Elmira won the first two national championships. I admit I forgot they won it 2 years ago.( which would be rising up from time to time)

Middlebury won the next 3...Haven't won since 2006, runners up a couple years ago (again, rising up from time to time) The Dolphins won a couple super bowls in the 70's, so I guess they are still in the NFL elite.

Face it, Middlebury hasn't really been a contender in a long time...despite that super amazing NESCAC. I would think that as amazingly awesome the NESCAC is that Middlebury would win every year. Its kinda sad that Middlebury has been in 13/14, where are all those other awesome NESCAC schools? Elmira consistently plays second fiddle to the big P.

Of course...every eastern team is significantly better than any western team. I should have prefaced my statement with that to keep you easterners happy. ;) I'm sure those western teams would love to have over half their games be played against the low-tier, formerly known as "slop", teams so that they could stay fresh all season.
 
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HockeyEast33 said:
When you decide to play college athletics, you accept the reality of people being able to criticize your performance in ways you may not like. This isn't participation trophy time anymore - if you're bad in college athletics, you get called bad. Such is life. In this case, I didn't pick the slop word just used it as many posters before me.
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The issue I have with this entire line of discussion is the tone of listing out the Schools/Teams that have not been successful in the win/loss category. Yes there are teams that win and there are teams that lose, you don't need a list of all the teams that have not done well, I can look it up with out a list. The tone is that all these players for all the "Slop" Schools/Teams should just quit, give up, and go away because the Fans of the non slop teams Do Not want you around anymore, they do not want to have to be bothered by having bad teams in the conference or even the division. Just take your puck and go home. But guess what, you cut the number of players in half by cancelling women's Ice Hockey at 25 Schools and some of those players at the slop schools that do have a lot of ability might end up at GOOD teams and then little Mary and Sally that are now 3rd and 4th line players at these GOOD schools will not have any place to play because they got cut or not recruited because they have been replace in the talent pool.
 
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4and20 said:
The issue I have with this entire line of discussion is the tone of listing out the Schools/Teams that have not been successful in the win/loss category. Yes there are teams that win and there are teams that lose, you don't need a list of all the teams that have not done well, I can look it up with out a list. The tone is that all these players for all the "Slop" Schools/Teams should just quit, give up, and go away because the Fans of the non slop teams Do Not want you around anymore, they do not want to have to be bothered by having bad teams in the conference or even the division. Just take your puck and go home. But guess what, you cut the number of players in half by cancelling women's Ice Hockey at 25 Schools and some of those players at the slop schools that do have a lot of ability might end up at GOOD teams and then little Mary and Sally that are now 3rd and 4th line players at these GOOD schools will not have any place to play because they got cut or not recruited because they have been replace in the talent pool.
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I don't think anyone is saying anything close to what you're interpreting from the discussion. Nobody is knocking the players at all. The schools whose teams are constantly at the low end of the standings are my problem. Some teams will simply never be any good and that's very sad. Other teams will always be at the top. That's just the way it is and has been for a long time with very few exceptions.

For the record I did not use the word "slop" in my original posts about the list of perpetually weak teams. Someone else did and I used it after that as some other posters have also said.

I'm going to look at the weak list again at Christmas Break to see how everyone is doing. The proof will be in the pudding.
 
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shelfit said:
For the record I did not use the word "slop" in my original posts about the list of perpetually weak teams. Someone else did and I used it after that as some other posters have also said.

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Shockingly, it was Crosscheck who first termed "slop" in reference to any team that's not a mighty mighty NESCAC team.
 
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obserbear said:
Potsdam must have played very well holding the Cardinals to a 1-1 after 2. The 3rd has been total domination; I do not think the Bears have controlled the puck in the Plattsburgh D zone the whole period. The Cardinals seem able to turn it up a notch when needed. Pretty super team!
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Most of the second period play was in the potsdam zone, and they were out shot 29-4. They got the goal to tie on the one burst they had, and really was a nice goal. Everyone sitting near me, including Bears fans kept saying, how long can she keep stopping all those shots. When they came out for the third, it was sloppy for the first 2-3 minutes, then Plattsburgh took over and once they got the go ahead goal, you could just sense it was over.
 
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4and20 said:
The issue I have with this entire line of discussion is the tone of listing out the Schools/Teams that have not been successful in the win/loss category. Yes there are teams that win and there are teams that lose, you don't need a list of all the teams that have not done well, I can look it up with out a list. The tone is that all these players for all the "Slop" Schools/Teams should just quit, give up, and go away because the Fans of the non slop teams Do Not want you around anymore, they do not want to have to be bothered by having bad teams in the conference or even the division. Just take your puck and go home. But guess what, you cut the number of players in half by cancelling women's Ice Hockey at 25 Schools and some of those players at the slop schools that do have a lot of ability might end up at GOOD teams and then little Mary and Sally that are now 3rd and 4th line players at these GOOD schools will not have any place to play because they got cut or not recruited because they have been replace in the talent pool.
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I don't think that anyone said anything about teams dropping their programs because they are consistently bad - you read that in on your own. Personally, I wish that these teams make the effort to apply more effort/resources and in many cases hire better coaches who can recruit and raise the level of performance at these schools. Calling them out makes it more apparent that that needs to happen and thus more apparent.

BTW - we could all do our research and make up our own lists for everything. The whole point of these forums is to present ideas and data and discuss things and get differing opinions. If you don't like this topic, don't read it.
 
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CrazyDave said:
Update on Gustavus' Kaitlyn Klein. I don't know anything about the hit she took, just the outcome from reading this article.

http://www.fox9.com/sports/55167902-story
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I know the cause of this terrible injury is irrelevant, but my understanding is there was not a hit involved. Puck went into the corner, players went after the puck, Plattsburgh player lost an edge (on the inside, closest to the boards) and caused Ms Klein to awkwardly careen over the fallen player into the dashers. A very freak play.
Thoughts and prayers with Kaitlyn for a full recovery surrounded by family and friends!
 
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gojackets said:
Yes..."facts" "research"...
Elmira won the first two national championships. I admit I forgot they won it 2 years ago.( which would be rising up from time to time)

Middlebury won the next 3...Haven't won since 2006, runners up a couple years ago (again, rising up from time to time) The Dolphins won a couple super bowls in the 70's, so I guess they are still in the NFL elite.

Face it, Middlebury hasn't really been a contender in a long time...despite that super amazing NESCAC. I would think that as amazingly awesome the NESCAC is that Middlebury would win every year. Its kinda sad that Middlebury has been in 13/14, where are all those other awesome NESCAC schools? Elmira consistently plays second fiddle to the big P.

Of course...every eastern team is significantly better than any western team. I should have prefaced my statement with that to keep you easterners happy. ;) I'm sure those western teams would love to have over half their games be played against the low-tier, formerly known as "slop", teams so that they could stay fresh all season.
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How is it in your delusional world where GA and RF are more consistent performers than Elmira, Middlebury, and Norwich? Is the weather nice?

Overall, all three schools have higher NCAA tournament participation percentages than GA and RF with more success when they get there. Since your attention span seems to be short, in the last 5 years, let's see:

- Elmira - 3 NCAA appearances, 1 1st place finish, 1 2nd place finish
- Middlebury - 4 NCAA appearances, 1 2nd place finish, 1 3rd place finish
- Norwich - 5 NCAA appearances, 1 1st place finish, 2 2nd place finishes
- RF - 5 NCAA appearances, 2 3rd place finishes
- GA - 3 NCAA appearances, no top 3 finishes

Over the last 5 years, all three Eastern schools have had had better or comparable success to RF and all three are way better than GA (no contest on the latter). Give it up - the data shows that Elmira, Norwich, and Middlebury are all more consistent and successful programs than RF and GA.

As to Middlebury dropping off and the NESCAC, I'd offer the following:
- In most years, two (or occasionally more) teams qualify for the NCAA tournament from the NESCAC (an exception being two years ago when only Williams qualified). I could remind you that Amherst won two NCAAs in 2009 and 2010 but I'm sure that is too long ago for you to care about. The fact that Middlebury qualifies nearly every year doesn't mean the other NESCAC teams are weak, just that Middlebury is consistently good.
- Middlebury almost always has the highest or one of the highest SOS in the country every year - deepest conference opponents and toughest out of conference schedule. It's not a surprise to me that they get worn down - hardly any easy games. They were in the final a couple of years ago where they lost in OT - but apparently they weren't a contender that year.

Your Western bias reminds me of the D1 Eastern bias folks. The West always won the NCAAs because the East was too tough and wore the Eastern teams down. That was garbage also....
 
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HockeyEast33 said:
How is it in your delusional world where GA and RF are more consistent performers than Elmira, Middlebury, and Norwich? Is the weather nice?

Overall, all three schools have higher NCAA tournament participation percentages than GA and RF with more success when they get there. Since your attention span seems to be short, in the last 5 years, let's see:

- Elmira - 3 NCAA appearances, 1 1st place finish, 1 2nd place finish
- Middlebury - 4 NCAA appearances, 1 2nd place finish, 1 3rd place finish
- Norwich - 5 NCAA appearances, 1 1st place finish, 2 2nd place finishes
- RF - 5 NCAA appearances, 2 3rd place finishes
- GA - 3 NCAA appearances, no top 3 finishes

Over the last 5 years, all three Eastern schools have had had better or comparable success to RF and all three are way better than GA (no contest on the latter). Give it up - the data shows that Elmira, Norwich, and Middlebury are all more consistent and successful programs than RF and GA.

As to Middlebury dropping off and the NESCAC, I'd offer the following:
- In most years, two (or occasionally more) teams qualify for the NCAA tournament from the NESCAC (an exception being two years ago when only Williams qualified). I could remind you that Amherst won two NCAAs in 2009 and 2010 but I'm sure that is too long ago for you to care about. The fact that Middlebury qualifies nearly every year doesn't mean the other NESCAC teams are weak, just that Middlebury is consistently good.
- Middlebury almost always has the highest or one of the highest SOS in the country every year - deepest conference opponents and toughest out of conference schedule. It's not a surprise to me that they get worn down - hardly any easy games. They were in the final a couple of years ago where they lost in OT - but apparently they weren't a contender that year.

Your Western bias reminds me of the D1 Eastern bias folks. The West always won the NCAAs because the East was too tough and wore the Eastern teams down. That was garbage also....
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Don't go confusing the poor guy with things like FACTS. It will just make his little head sore.
 
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HockeyEast33 said:
Your Western bias reminds me of the D1 Eastern bias folks. The West always won the NCAAs because the East was too tough and wore the Eastern teams down. That was garbage also....
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way to just say everything that the other guy did. See my response to that...

Someone has to counter the Eastern Elitism :)

So you brought up D1. Would you consider Harvard and Boston College to be consistently good teams? They've never won a national title, so they must not be as good as any of those top WCHA teams right? Would you still consider UMD a good team? They won a lot of national titles 10-15 years ago...does that still qualify them as elite today?

You probably also should realize that the fact that I knew it would annoy the pants off the NESCAC snobs is a big reason why Middlebury wasn't on my "consistently good" list. :)
 
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