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D3 18-19 season
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It's only partially about football. St. Thomas is dominant in EVERY sport. They have the deepest rosters in the conference in every sport, it's not a hard school to get into... It's not the same kind of school as Macalester or Carleton. Their enrollment is so far out of whack with the rest of the league, not sure how anyone can justify them being in MIAC.
It's only partially about football. St. Thomas is dominant in EVERY sport. They have the deepest rosters in the conference in every sport, it's not a hard school to get into... It's not the same kind of school as Macalester or Carleton. Their enrollment is so far out of whack with the rest of the league, not sure how anyone can justify them being in MIAC.
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MIAC's mysterious push to oust St. Thomas baffling, high-handed
http://www.startribune.com/miac-s-mysterious-push-to-oust-st-thomas-baffling-high-handed/509486642/
While acknowledging that it's not likely, this StarTribune sportswriter makes a good case why they should remain in the conference.
MIAC's mysterious push to oust St. Thomas baffling, high-handed
http://www.startribune.com/miac-s-mysterious-push-to-oust-st-thomas-baffling-high-handed/509486642/
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: D3 18-19 season
Norwich alumnae Sophie Leclerc '10 has been named the second head coach in program history after Mark Bolding left for Yale in April.
https://www.norwichathletics.com/sports/wice/2019-20/releases/20190517eunkyq
Norwich alumnae Sophie Leclerc '10 has been named the second head coach in program history after Mark Bolding left for Yale in April.
https://www.norwichathletics.com/sports/wice/2019-20/releases/20190517eunkyq
Bill-R-
Registered User
Congrats to Sophie on her new gig. The Cadets are in good hands.
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Congrats to her. When Bolding left for Yale, Leclerc's name stood out to me as the best choice of what I would call the logical (non-surprise) candidates.
Congrats to her. When Bolding left for Yale, Leclerc's name stood out to me as the best choice of what I would call the logical (non-surprise) candidates.
Nobody else needed to waste their time in applying for this job. She was always the heir apparent. That was a no-brainer.
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My understanding was that this was quite the process, and there were a number of great (and surprising) candidates to choose from. I agree that Sophie was one of the first names to come to mind when Bolding stepped away, but I believe this was no where near as simple as you think.
My understanding was that this was quite the process, and there were a number of great (and surprising) candidates to choose from. I agree that Sophie was one of the first names to come to mind when Bolding stepped away, but I believe this was no where near as simple as you think.
CrossCheck
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Right...Coach Steele was really their first choice.
Ouch! That's so mean. And I thought I had made some negative comments about her before. Wow! Lmao! Although it's no secret that every year her players don't have a lot of respect for her and her coaching ability.
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The Star Tribune states that the announcement expected at the top of the hour is that St. Thomas is involuntarily leaving the MIAC by Spring 2021, with their destination still unknown.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Our <a href="https://twitter.com/Patrick_Reusse?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Patrick_Reusse</a> reporting that MIAC will announce at 11 a.m. that St. Thomas is "involuntarily" leaving the conference by the spring of 2021. More details to come.<a href="https://t.co/d89mZK5DVf">https://t.co/d89mZK5DVf</a> <a href="https://t.co/QNaehHhSMQ">pic.twitter.com/QNaehHhSMQ</a></p>— Star Tribune Sports (@StribSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/StribSports/status/1131219300600168448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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The Star Tribune states that the announcement expected at the top of the hour is that St. Thomas is involuntarily leaving the MIAC by Spring 2021, with their destination still unknown.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Our <a href="https://twitter.com/Patrick_Reusse?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Patrick_Reusse</a> reporting that MIAC will announce at 11 a.m. that St. Thomas is "involuntarily" leaving the conference by the spring of 2021. More details to come.<a href="https://t.co/d89mZK5DVf">https://t.co/d89mZK5DVf</a> <a href="https://t.co/QNaehHhSMQ">pic.twitter.com/QNaehHhSMQ</a></p>— Star Tribune Sports (@StribSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/StribSports/status/1131219300600168448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Re: D3 18-19 season
Official statement from the MIAC that St. Thomas is being involuntarily removed from the conference as of the end of the Spring 2021 semester.
Statement from St. Thomas President Dr. Julie H. Sullivan. Sullivan announced that AD Phil Esten will lead the search for their new conference.
St. Thomas has published an FAQ on leaving the MIAC. Among the questions addresses, it says that "should the conference we join not offer a sport that we have currently, we will explore all options (e.g., affiliate memberships) in order for all our varsity sports to continue playing."
Official statement from the MIAC that St. Thomas is being involuntarily removed from the conference as of the end of the Spring 2021 semester.
Statement from St. Thomas President Dr. Julie H. Sullivan. Sullivan announced that AD Phil Esten will lead the search for their new conference.
St. Thomas has published an FAQ on leaving the MIAC. Among the questions addresses, it says that "should the conference we join not offer a sport that we have currently, we will explore all options (e.g., affiliate memberships) in order for all our varsity sports to continue playing."
MIAC_Hockey_Dad
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Sad day for St. Thomas Womens Hockey and the MIAC. 99 years of history in the MIAC and what do you get? Kicked out for your level of success. The school certainly has a larger enrollment than the rest of the conference, but we are not talking HS sports. Does having the larger enrollment change the quality of recruits because your campus has more students? I don't think so. Many of the teams have about the same number athletes and they generally don't walk-on out of the general student population. They are recruited and ultimately sold on the educational quality of the University. Each of the schools has the opportunity to recruit whomever they want. Punishing success is just lowering the bar of excellence.
Sad day for St. Thomas Womens Hockey and the MIAC. 99 years of history in the MIAC and what do you get? Kicked out for your level of success. The school certainly has a larger enrollment than the rest of the conference, but we are not talking HS sports. Does having the larger enrollment change the quality of recruits because your campus has more students? I don't think so. Many of the teams have about the same number athletes and they generally don't walk-on out of the general student population. They are recruited and ultimately sold on the educational quality of the University. Each of the schools has the opportunity to recruit whomever they want. Punishing success is just lowering the bar of excellence.
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If the MIAC thought the beatdowns by UST were bad in the past, they better hope the Tommies find a new conference quickly!
If the MIAC thought the beatdowns by UST were bad in the past, they better hope the Tommies find a new conference quickly!
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I'm not sad.
St. Thomas huge enrollment allows the school to recruit more athletes who might not qualify at St. Olaf or Gustavus. Their average ACT score is 24. If they accept 200 students whose score is 30 or more, they can take 200 whose score is 18 or less. That more than likely cuts out St. Olaf, Hamline and Gustavus, and probably St. Bens.
St. Thomas just doesn't fit in the MIAC. Will be interesting to see if they can immediately latch on in WIAC (which makes tremendous sense), or if they have higher aspirations and jump to D2, which means the hockey programs would have to jump to D1 (which I think they could, they just need to find a larger arena to play in.) It wouldn't be that hard to to find D1 athletes, as St. Thomas would be a more attractive option than moving far away, and there are plenty of D1 level players in Minnesota. Plus there's that 500M they got as gifts that they could put to use building a rink...
The school just has different priorities, and the MIAC is really not a conference which places that much importance on athletic excellence, never has. The fact that St. Thomas, Hamline and Gustavus are good in women's hockey is a testament to how many good players there are in this state, and those schools have done a better job recruiting them.
I don't think anyone needs to shed tears for UST.
I'm not sad.
St. Thomas huge enrollment allows the school to recruit more athletes who might not qualify at St. Olaf or Gustavus. Their average ACT score is 24. If they accept 200 students whose score is 30 or more, they can take 200 whose score is 18 or less. That more than likely cuts out St. Olaf, Hamline and Gustavus, and probably St. Bens.
St. Thomas just doesn't fit in the MIAC. Will be interesting to see if they can immediately latch on in WIAC (which makes tremendous sense), or if they have higher aspirations and jump to D2, which means the hockey programs would have to jump to D1 (which I think they could, they just need to find a larger arena to play in.) It wouldn't be that hard to to find D1 athletes, as St. Thomas would be a more attractive option than moving far away, and there are plenty of D1 level players in Minnesota. Plus there's that 500M they got as gifts that they could put to use building a rink...
The school just has different priorities, and the MIAC is really not a conference which places that much importance on athletic excellence, never has. The fact that St. Thomas, Hamline and Gustavus are good in women's hockey is a testament to how many good players there are in this state, and those schools have done a better job recruiting them.
I don't think anyone needs to shed tears for UST.
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I don't think the hockey programs can just play up to D1 like that. I think UST would have to go D1 as a whole, and that process would take about a decade to 12 years if they do every step right away and right the first time. If they go D2 it's likely a death blow for their hockey programs.
I don't think the hockey programs can just play up to D1 like that. I think UST would have to go D1 as a whole, and that process would take about a decade to 12 years if they do every step right away and right the first time. If they go D2 it's likely a death blow for their hockey programs.
Russell Jaslow
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We, including myself, have been saying this for quite some time.
But I think we've been missing a catch all this time. There is no D2 national championship for hockey, in either genders. And in that case, you are allowed to play for the D1 national championship even if you are D2, as long as you meet the scheduling requirements. I believe that is still true. Am I missing something?
We, including myself, have been saying this for quite some time.
But I think we've been missing a catch all this time. There is no D2 national championship for hockey, in either genders. And in that case, you are allowed to play for the D1 national championship even if you are D2, as long as you meet the scheduling requirements. I believe that is still true. Am I missing something?
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I don't think so. While that is true about the D1 championship on paper, I think in practice it would be impossible for an independent D2 hockey team to meet the scheduling requirements and even if they somehow did get enough D1/D2 games on the schedule, I don't think they would be able to schedule and beat enough quality opponents to qualify for an at-large bid to the D1 tourney.
If they went DII, they could try to join the D1/2 NEWHA conference on the women's side. It would be awfully expensive for everyone involved though, but it would put them at 7 teams...
I don't think so. While that is true about the D1 championship on paper, I think in practice it would be impossible for an independent D2 hockey team to meet the scheduling requirements and even if they somehow did get enough D1/D2 games on the schedule, I don't think they would be able to schedule and beat enough quality opponents to qualify for an at-large bid to the D1 tourney.
If they went DII, they could try to join the D1/2 NEWHA conference on the women's side. It would be awfully expensive for everyone involved though, but it would put them at 7 teams...