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D1 Commitments 2012-2013

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WCHFan said:
If you're giving our full scholorships it might be easier to take.
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On the other hand, if you're giving out full scholarships, then you can't afford to redshirt 20% of your scholarship players, because you'd have 15 or less scholarship players available to play. Many student athletes need at least part of a fifth year to finish up a degree, so for them, it wouldn't be so bad. Those hurt are the ones who would like to get their degree and get on to the next phase of their lives.
 
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I am curious how this would work. You can't get 5 years of athletic scholarship I am assuming. Maybe for the freshmen/redshirt year there is some form of academic, merit based or financial id package one could get? I would not think it could ever total what they get as an athletic scholarship. What do others see as pros to this approach for players or parents of these incoming players?
 
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Benefit to the coaches. Players have a year to get stronger and learn the system. Players. Some athlete's don't graduate in 4 years so an extra year of financial help is nice. Negative would be to the player who wants to graduate on time. Maybe never playing for team.

I've just found that coaches don't necessarily tell players the full truth. I feel coaches are doing this to weed out recruits that they missed on. For instance ND and BSU have older players who are not traveling even after a year with the team. Coaches paint a pretty picture which sometimes is ugly.
 
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ARM said:
On the other hand, if you're giving out full scholarships, then you can't afford to redshirt 20% of your scholarship players, because you'd have 15 or less scholarship players available to play. Many student athletes need at least part of a fifth year to finish up a degree, so for them, it wouldn't be so bad. Those hurt are the ones who would like to get their degree and get on to the next phase of their lives.
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The website rosters for those two teams currently show only 1 (UND) and 2 (BSU) kids who completed redshirt seasons. So if these two programs both start redshirting freshman groups in the future, plus ordinary medical redshirts, these very big rosters are going to get huge absent turnover.

Not sure I share the belief that a girl improves without competitive games between March 2012 and October 2013 but I guess the coaches must know something. Are bottom half recruits coming in with eyes wide open?
 
LG4 said:
I am curious how this would work. You can't get 5 years of athletic scholarship I am assuming. Maybe for the freshmen/redshirt year there is some form of academic, merit based or financial id package one could get? I would not think it could ever total what they get as an athletic scholarship. What do others see as pros to this approach for players or parents of these incoming players?
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Just because the player delays their hockey by a year it doesn't mean that they will automatically stay for five years. It would seem to me that the school is risking only getting three years of play out of a four year scholarship.

Cali
 
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If a player redshirts, do they get their scholorship money?
I haven't received my manual yet so enlighten me if you will. Thanx
 
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EastFan1 said:
The website rosters for those two teams currently show only 1 (UND) and 2 (BSU) kids who completed redshirt seasons. So if these two programs both start redshirting freshman groups in the future, plus ordinary medical redshirts, these very big rosters are going to get huge absent turnover.

Not sure I share the belief that a girl improves without competitive games between March 2012 and October 2013 but I guess the coaches must know something. Are bottom half recruits coming in with eyes wide open?
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UND had some success with this approach in the past with their only redshirt last season in Kayla Berg going from an unheralded redshirt recruit to a making the WCHA All-Rookie team the next year voted by the coaches. Obviously it isn't going to work in every case but giving local girls the opportunity to learn the collegiate game, which is obviously way faster then the high school level, by practicing with the team for a season and a year to get bigger-stronger-faster will help them step in as freshmen and not play like freshmen. To me it is their way of doing how the men's team will have players go USHL before going to school.

I also don't think UND is holding back their current roster just to redshirt players. They do have four rookies playing considerable minutes .
 
pennpapa said:
If a player redshirts, do they get their scholorship money?
I haven't received my manual yet so enlighten me if you will. Thanx
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I can't imagine a new recruit form Ontario agreeing to go to Minnesota for her freshman year, be red-shirted and pay full tab. It doesn't make sense! Especially given that there were probably multiple offers available.

Cali
 
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mattj711 said:
The scholarship money would typically cover the player's red shirt year.
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I'm pretty sure that if a coach uses the scholarship on a redshirt it still counts against the 18 limit. So if you start redshirting girls your game roster is shorted. For this reason I can't imagine most coaches want full rides sitting in the crowd.
 
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EastFan1 said:
For this reason I can't imagine most coaches want full rides sitting in the crowd.
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But they aren't full rides. They get some percentage of a scholarship. Let's say a team had 25 players, all getting an equal portion of a scholarship, and all were going to be on scholarship for five years. Then you'd divide 18/25, so if you were going to recruit five kids a year, redshirt the freshmen each season, then you could give each 72% of a scholarship each season. The cost per student on the team would be 28% a year, for five years, or 1.4 years worth of expenses for five years of school. So if the student athlete wasn't planning to graduate in four years anyway, this works out okay for them. Obviously, most schools don't give each recruit the exact same deal, but it made the math easier to do so.

The team would only have 20 players available to play, but in case of injury, they could always start playing one of the redshirted players.
 
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ARM said:
But they aren't full rides. They get some percentage of a scholarship.
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Which is why, if I'm a prized recruit that has lots of D1 schools after me, I wouldn't give serious consideration to a team that I know has a bloated roster with redshirts waiting in the wings for their chance to play. D1 hockey is a huge commitment and a lot of hard work goes into it. The very best players will want to choose a school where they will play right away.
 
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I think people had an idea already but I think it is public now:

Laura Stacey, F, Toronto Aeros/CAN 18s to Dartmouth
 
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Also Erin Ambrose, D, Toronto Aeros/CAN 18s to Clarkson.

Two top top players off the market.
 
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What teams are doing is giving a 50-75% scholarship and then hopefully a student qualifies for the rest with an academic. It's also easier for a UND or BSU etc to do this because the cost to attend these schools is much less than out east. So even if a player has to pay for 10% it's usually less than 3-4 thousand a year. The problem I'm hearing is that girls aren't being told this will happen until after they start school. Then are judged and told about sitting out a year and maybe never playing much if they don't improve.. Girls will either transfer or quit. Win Win for the coach and a way to weed out a questionable recruit.
 
WCHFan said:
What teams are doing is giving a 50-75% scholarship and then hopefully a student qualifies for the rest with an academic. It's also easier for a UND or BSU etc to do this because the cost to attend these schools is much less than out east. So even if a player has to pay for 10% it's usually less than 3-4 thousand a year. The problem I'm hearing is that girls aren't being told this will happen until after they start school. Then are judged and told about sitting out a year and maybe never playing much if they don't improve.. Girls will either transfer or quit. Win Win for the coach and a way to weed out a questionable recruit.
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That is one of my questions can you give an athletic scholarship for 5 years?
 
Bumbles said:
Redshirting is dumb...., puts the program ahead of the player. Let them play!
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I would figure that the program should always be put ahead of the player. That being said, the rostering of 17 forwards is a bit extreme. Hopefully all players are fully aware of this before accepting.
 
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