D1 Athletic Scholarships

[komey1]

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In many ways, an academic scholarship can be better. A coach may be able to pull an athletic scholarship if you don't perform as well, they find someone better, or maybe if you cannot play anymore due to injury. As long as you keep your grades up, your academic scholarship is good no matter what your status is on the team.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

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Don't all, or most, of the Ivies have a policy where by they give students they want whatever aid they need? The federal government has been looking into the ridiculously large endowments of schools like the Ivies, Stanford and some others. I believe that they are required by law to spend a certain percentage of their endowments. Many have been hoarding huge amounts of money. So, to get the feds off their back some schools have been pumping more money into financial aid.

I would be interesting to see someone do a story on all this and how it pertains to hockey and LAX, since these are the two sports where you have DIII institutions giving athletic aid packages to a DI sport. Schools like Union are reportedly giving lots of aid to Canadian players. Something similar may be happening in hockey at RIT and the Ivies in and in LAX at Hobart.

Probably not much illegal going on, since there is not a lot of money in hockey or LAX, but it would be enlightening to see how the system works. I find it hard to believe that you have programs like these competing with, and in some cases outcompeting, schools with full complements of athletic scholarships on a regular basis without giving preference to good athletes. Nothing wrong with it in my mind, but curious minds need to know how it all works.

Union does indeed have a foreign student program which does benefit their Canadien players and other foreign students. The bottom line for me is ECAC Hockey is loaded with true student-athletes a great many of whom excel in the classroom and on the ice...a distinction that other leagues can't always make.

 

[RITProf]

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Key point you missed - if you qualify for the need-based aid it can be generous. If you don't hopefully your grades get you something.

Hmmm ... I thought that was what I said!

 

[Osorojo]

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I don't see why that would be so hard to believe. An athlete may pick a school for many of the same reasons anyone else picks a school. If the offered financial aid package is comparable, what does it matter if it's athletic or academic or need-based?


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Good athletes and good scholars are not mutually exclusive categories, which is demonstrated by schools which maintain excellence in both academic and athletic programs. Many factors influence a student's choice of which school to attend. The opportunity to get the best available education is usually a top priority in this choice for athletes and non-athletes alike.
Aren't need-based scholarships a subset of academic scholarships? I thought need-based scholarships were awarded to financially needy applicants who demonstrate academic achievement and potential, not on the basis of who's simply the poorest. Athletic scholarships are certainly not awarded to poor athletes who have no money. Why should academic scholarships be any different?
[Note to poopie talkers - Don't waste your time trying to figure this one out. 'Stick" to what you do best: scatology.]

 

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Good athletes and good scholars are not mutually exclusive categories, which is demonstrated by schools which maintain excellence in both academic and athletic programs. Many factors influence a student's choice of which school to attend. The opportunity to get the best available education is usually a top priority in this choice for athletes and non-athletes alike.
Aren't need-based scholarships a subset of academic scholarships?

Not neccesarily. In fact Harvard explicitly states that their financial aid is needs based only and there are no academic scholarships

http://www.fao.fas.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do

"All of our financial aid is awarded on the basis of demonstrated financial need—there are no academic, athletic or merit-based awards"

I thought need-based scholarships were awarded to financially needy applicants who demonstrate academic achievement and potential, not on the basis of who's simply the poorest.

Not unless by "applicants who demonstrate academic achievement and potential" you mean applicants who have demonstrated sufficent academic achievement and potential to get admitted to Harvard.

 

[LynahFan]

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Not neccesarily. In fact Harvard explicitly states that their financial aid is needs based only and there are no academic scholarships

http://www.fao.fas.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do

"All of our financial aid is awarded on the basis of demonstrated financial need—there are no academic, athletic or merit-based awards"

Not unless by "applicants who demonstrate academic achievement and potential" you mean applicants who have demonstrated sufficent academic achievement and potential to get admitted to Harvard.

It's not just Harvard - that's an Ivy League rule, so all 8 members must abide by that. It's more or less a legal collusion agreement so they aren't all trying to outbid each other for the top 0.5% of the talent.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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It's not just Harvard - that's an Ivy League rule, so all 8 members must abide by that. It's more or less a legal collusion agreement so they aren't all trying to outbid each other for the top 0.5% of the talent.

Eight Ivy League schools? Who are the other two?

 

[unofan]

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Think this fits somewhere in here (not directed at you, though)...

 

[unofan]

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blah, blah, blah

Seriously, go put your tinfoil hat on. No conspiracy, no illegal shenanigans, nothing.

Also, every single Ivy will admit athletes get preferencing in admissions. By virtue of being a recruited athlete, their odds of being admitted jump up dramatically as compared to joe schmoe, the nonrecruited athlete who otherwise has an identical admissions profile. That's the main benefit athletes get from the school in the recruiting process.

 

[TigerFan86-87]

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A coach may be able to pull an athletic scholarship if you don't perform as well, they find someone better, or maybe if you cannot play anymore due to injury.

I can't imagine it is that easy to have your athletic scholarship taken away. The impression I've gotten is that you pretty much have to play your way off the team entirely or else get into trouble forcing them to kick you off the team. And I can't imagine too many schools that would be heartless enough to rip a scholarship (and coinciding education opportunity) from someone due to injury (as long as that injury was related to the sport).

 

[unofan]

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Aren't need-based scholarships a subset of academic scholarships?

No, as the plain meaning of "need-based" implies, the scholarships are based upon financial need, not academic achievement.

Case in point, Dartmouth now offers free tuition to every student with a family income of less than $75,000. That is the sole condition for that particular form of need based-aid.

I can't imagine it is that easy to have your athletic scholarship taken away. The impression I've gotten is that you pretty much have to play your way off the team entirely or else get into trouble forcing them to kick you off the team. And I can't imagine too many schools that would be heartless enough to rip a scholarship (and coinciding education opportunity) from someone due to injury (as long as that injury was related to the sport).

Athletic scholarships are only guaranteed for your freshman year when you sign a letter of intent. They can be taken away at any point thereafter.

Now most coaches dont take them away mainly out of self-interest (get a reputation for doing that, and other coaches will definitely use it against you when recruiting), but it happens way more often than you'd think.

 

[pinch]

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It's not just Harvard - that's an Ivy League rule, so all 8 members must abide by that. It's more or less a legal collusion agreement so they aren't all trying to outbid each other for the top 0.5% of the talent.

Without looking up the specifics, I think Harvard went to a financial aid model of 100% aid for families under either $40,000 or $60,000....and at the time the concern was that the other IVYS would need to do the same to compete for the same students... so the aid from school to school does vary

 

[TigerFan86-87]

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Case in point, Dartmouth now offers free tuition to every student with a family income of less than $75,000. That is the sole condition for that particular form of need based-aid.

That's it! My kids are going to Dartmouth! Yippee!
Oh wait... that's another 12 and 16 years away yet. Who knows, maybe we'll still meet that criteria. That would be awesome... sort of

Now most coaches dont take them away mainly out of self-interest

That was my thinking. Not that it can't happen, but that in many cases it probably doesn't, especially in the higher exposure (high revenue) sports where nothing goes under the radar anymore.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

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Without looking up the specifics, I think Harvard went to a financial aid model of 100% aid for families under either $40,000 or $60,000....

Of course this is definitely not the demographic for most DI hockey recruits...

 

[TigerFan86-87]

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I think Harvard went to a financial aid model of 100% aid for families under either $40,000 or $60,000....

So are these cutoff points at the Ivies set in stone regardless of where your family lives? Just wondering, cause the cost of living can be drastically different across the country. A family of 4 making $75,000 isn't in too bad shape (without the college tuition bills, of course) in Western NY, but that same family in Boston, New York City, or Southern California would be scraping just to get by for that kind of income. No one said life had to be fair, after all. Just wondering.

 

[TigerFan86-87]

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Of course this is definitely not the demographic for most DI hockey recruits...

... from the U.S., that is.
I think playing hockey somehow transcends economic barriers in Canada. Everyone plays up there, the best I can tell.

 

[Muskieman]

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Union does indeed have a foreign student program which does benefit their Canadien players and other foreign students. The bottom line for me is ECAC Hockey is loaded with true student-athletes a great many of whom excel in the classroom and on the ice...a distinction that other leagues can't always make.

I believe that Union started the foreign student program about four years ago. If that's the case, the increased success that Union has had over that time period is probably not a coincidence.

 

[LynahFan]

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Without looking up the specifics, I think Harvard went to a financial aid model of 100% aid for families under either $40,000 or $60,000....and at the time the concern was that the other IVYS would need to do the same to compete for the same students... so the aid from school to school does vary

Certainly - each Ivy can decide for itself how need is defined and what grants/loans will be available to meet the determined need. The league-wide rule is simply that only need can be taken into account when determining the amount of aid, and that the formula must be applied equally to all students - the future Nobel laureates and the 4th string defensive tackles.

 

[pinch]

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Certainly - each Ivy can decide for itself how need is defined and what grants/loans will be available to meet the determined need. The league-wide rule is simply that only need can be taken into account when determining the amount of aid, and that the formula must be applied equally to all students - the future Nobel laureates and the 4th string defensive tackles.

agree

 

[MarkEagleUSA]

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the future Nobel laureates and the 4th string defensive tackles.

Are you saying those two things are mutually exclusive at an Ivy League institution?