1... Yes they would have gotten a home game because they were the higher seed over Superior (See Elmira traveling to Adrian instead of vice versa)
2... Send them to St Norbert in the Quarterfinals and do what exactly with Superior?
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D-III All-Americans Watch
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1... Yes they would have gotten a home game because they were the higher seed over Superior (See Elmira traveling to Adrian instead of vice versa)
2... Send them to St Norbert in the Quarterfinals and do what exactly with Superior?
Re: D-III All-Americans Watch
In fact, they wore home whites and had last change at Superior.
1... Yes they would have gotten a home game because they were the higher seed over Superior (See Elmira traveling to Adrian instead of vice versa)
2... Send them to St Norbert in the Quarterfinals and do what exactly with Superior?
In fact, they wore home whites and had last change at Superior.
A) Hamline was rhe higher seed, wore home whites, had last change, and was announced as the home team. If their rink actually had ice, they would have actually been at home. This has been hashed over many many times already... Heck you can ask anyone at hamlime and they'd tell you the same thing.Nonsense. They weren't going to be home under any circumstances. And you can make a good case they shouldn't have been. It was, after all, a very balanced league race. And while those are fun, the bad news is it means the champ's overall numbers shrink in the process. So be it.
But I contend a team that wins the regular and post-season title deserves some kind of break. A fairer call would have been to send them straight to St. Norbert's for the quarterfinal game.
But that is all off the point.
The point was (and still is) this was an unexpected, delightful bonus for a team that is barely known outside of its own circle. As it turned out, they end up with two first team All-Americans. If I was a suspicious sort, I might be inclined to think this was what an old hockey broadcaster I know used to call an "even-upper." But I don't think the NCAA types are that smart. So I will simply presume that somebody at Hamline did a helluva good sales job. Whoever it was, bravo to them.
B) the NCAA does not choose all-Americans or player of the year. Rhe amrican hockey coaches association does that, and announces it at the pre-tournament banquet. There is no 'evening up' about it.
C) could you stop looking for excuses to feel slighted? You always try to find ways the MIAC is shoved aside when there are none. And to top it off you try to get people to believe it's done intentionally. You consistently fail at basic knowledge, comprehension, and logic. You do the entire conference a disservice by acting this way, as they think this is a typical miac fan.
The league gets an at large bid and two teams in the tourney last year, the #3 western ranking this season, and two straight national player of the year awards, yet you feel everyone is out to get them. Unreal...
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: D-III All-Americans Watch
Granted I haven't seen Berenguer play, but I find it hard to believe there is a better player in D-III than Mr. O'Brien at SNC.
The league gets an at large bid and two teams in the tourney last year, the #3 western ranking this season, and two straight national player of the year awards, yet you feel everyone is out to get them. Unreal...
Granted I haven't seen Berenguer play, but I find it hard to believe there is a better player in D-III than Mr. O'Brien at SNC.
Thats why the coaches vote I suppose.Granted I haven't seen Berenguer play, but I find it hard to believe there is a better player in D-III than Mr. O'Brien at SNC.
I'm not going to say either deserved it over another since I haven't seen o'brien play too many games, but in 3 1/2 years, berenguer has put up some epic numbers for a defenseman who wasn't used as just an extra forward. He was great defensively this year and finished his career with more pts than any other seniors in the miac (or any other miac players for that matter.)
And there are just as many accolades that can be heaped on o'brien as well. Neither would have been a questionable choice in my opinion.
Re: D-III All-Americans Watch
Fair enough. Then again, picking a D-III Player Of The Year is a theoretically impossible task. The nature of D-III is such that you simply cannot see all the players involved. In the end, it becomes something of a hunch. And that's fine.
Defensemen rarely win this type of award very often (it had only happened three times before). And he played for a school that has spent very little time in the D-III hockey spotlight. For that reason alone, it was refreshing and encouraging.
Granted I haven't seen Berenguer play, but I find it hard to believe there is a better player in D-III than Mr. O'Brien at SNC.
Fair enough. Then again, picking a D-III Player Of The Year is a theoretically impossible task. The nature of D-III is such that you simply cannot see all the players involved. In the end, it becomes something of a hunch. And that's fine.
Defensemen rarely win this type of award very often (it had only happened three times before). And he played for a school that has spent very little time in the D-III hockey spotlight. For that reason alone, it was refreshing and encouraging.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: D-III All-Americans Watch
At times i wonder how the voting does shake out. Do coaches vote for their respective conference's players or do they just go off what they may or may not know or just the stats....
Fair enough. Then again, picking a D-III Player Of The Year is a theoretically impossible task. The nature of D-III is such that you simply cannot see all the players involved. In the end, it becomes something of a hunch. And that's fine.
Defensemen rarely win this type of award very often (it had only happened three times before). And he played for a school that has spent very little time in the D-III hockey spotlight. For that reason alone, it was refreshing and encouraging.
At times i wonder how the voting does shake out. Do coaches vote for their respective conference's players or do they just go off what they may or may not know or just the stats....
Re: D-III All-Americans Watch
On this particular issue, I have a lot of sympathy for the coaches. In the West, for example, all the teams don't play or see each other. Thus, an All-American team is very much a crapshoot. I'm guessing there are times where you simply have to go with the stats and hope you get it right. And when you play for a team that hasn't made Frozen Fours and isn't a traditional power, it is very much a guessing game. For a long time, the hierarchy of D-III hockey was reserved for only a few teams. For various reasons, there were few interlopers. When a new kid on the block pushed its way in (like Adrian), it was (understandably) met with much resistance by the old guard. I say it is a positive development that a different school has the winner for the last eight years in a row. Before that, only six schools were represented in the first 11 years of the award. (Middlebury won three of the first six. St. Norbert and RIT had two each.)
Although it is not those schools' fault at all, such an imbalance hampers a sport's growth. (Same thing for NCAA D-I hoops when UCLA won all those titles. Great for UCLA. Frustrating for the growth of the sport in other schools.)
D-III hockey is showing some growth again. Although it is still fairly top-heavy (In the west, for example, St. Norbert's is clearly heads and tails ahead of every MIAC and NCHA team. Any win any of them gets over SNC these days is considered a significant upset. There are glimmers of hope, though, when Adrian can put up a commendable fight and a school like Hamline can overcome some fairly long odds to have a POY.
At times i wonder how the voting does shake out. Do coaches vote for their respective conference's players or do they just go off what they may or may not know or just the stats....
On this particular issue, I have a lot of sympathy for the coaches. In the West, for example, all the teams don't play or see each other. Thus, an All-American team is very much a crapshoot. I'm guessing there are times where you simply have to go with the stats and hope you get it right. And when you play for a team that hasn't made Frozen Fours and isn't a traditional power, it is very much a guessing game. For a long time, the hierarchy of D-III hockey was reserved for only a few teams. For various reasons, there were few interlopers. When a new kid on the block pushed its way in (like Adrian), it was (understandably) met with much resistance by the old guard. I say it is a positive development that a different school has the winner for the last eight years in a row. Before that, only six schools were represented in the first 11 years of the award. (Middlebury won three of the first six. St. Norbert and RIT had two each.)
Although it is not those schools' fault at all, such an imbalance hampers a sport's growth. (Same thing for NCAA D-I hoops when UCLA won all those titles. Great for UCLA. Frustrating for the growth of the sport in other schools.)
D-III hockey is showing some growth again. Although it is still fairly top-heavy (In the west, for example, St. Norbert's is clearly heads and tails ahead of every MIAC and NCHA team. Any win any of them gets over SNC these days is considered a significant upset. There are glimmers of hope, though, when Adrian can put up a commendable fight and a school like Hamline can overcome some fairly long odds to have a POY.
Re: D-III All-Americans Watch
The trend continues. Tim Coghlin awarded D-III COTYCoach of the year is decided by the American Hockey Coaches Association.. They're usually announced in April.
Hint - he who wins 2 games next week will be the COTY.
Re: D-III All-Americans Watch
Perhaps O'Brien didn't win it because he ended up last on some ballots???
Granted I haven't seen Berenguer play, but I find it hard to believe there is a better player in D-III than Mr. O'Brien at SNC.
Perhaps O'Brien didn't win it because he ended up last on some ballots???